We Don’t Seek Benevolence, But Don't Malign us Either – Part II - Saf Shikan-1.

[Xeric]

Wrong idiom.

As we shower accolades and admiration on the brave men in the field, that they richly deserve, let us not ignore the reasons why they are needed to be there in the first place.

Let me take a wild guess; because of (poor) civilian leadership perhaps?

 

[VCheng]

Let me take a wild guess; because of (poor) civilian leadership perhaps?

Both civil and military leaderships need to account for their policies that have led to the stalemate in Siachen as part of the larger Kashmir issue, and for disastrous adventures like Kargil.

The officers and jawans in the field are brave and dedicated and serve honorably. No doubt about that all.

The government and the GHQ, not so much.

 

[Bilal.]

So you have a fair idea how it is up there.

BTW, we used to play cricket at 10K feet where our HQ was located, i mean that place was 'easy'

Sir stemina jawab de gaya tha...the leg it seemed stopped cooperating... We were gasping for air after every 100 or so meters, like one would feel after a sprint... That's when we realised that what our soldiers are doing is almost super human.

 

[VCheng]

What an idiotic post and that too totally counter to the thread.

What else could there be, if not a stalemate? Unless you wish Pakistan to withdraw unilaterally. It has nothing to do with leadership of any one country. It has to do with leadership of both the countries.

Siachen is only one aspect of the Kashmir issue, which again is part of the larger issue of just how the relationship between the two countries should be managed. So, yes, in this you are correct that both countries are responsible for the stalemate.

However, there are certain issues where Pakistan's stance is not all that robust. I will say no more since that would take the thread off topic.

All hail the brave jawans in the field. Lets us pat them and ourselves on the back.

 

[Xeric]

Both civil and military leaderships need to account for their policies that have led to the stalemate in Siachen as part of the larger Kashmir issue, and for disastrous adventures like Kargil.

The officers and jawans in the field are brave and dedicated and serve honorably. No doubt about that all.

The government and the GHQ, not so much.

Nah..you totally missed what i was referring to.

Hadn't the civilian leadership been smoking pot, Siachen issue would never had been and issue at the first place. Now why do you blame military leadership for the stalemate is not understood. We stopped the Indian incursion as quickly and effectively we could as was humanly possible, what do you want now, should we be trying to liberate it all?

 

[VCheng]

Nah..you totally missed what i was referring to.

Hadn't the civilian leadership been smoking pot, Siachen issue would never had been and issue at the first place. Now why do you blame military leadership for the stalemate is not understood. We stopped the Indian incursion as quickly and effectively we could as was humanly possible, what do you want now, should we be trying to liberate it all?

Siachen is only one small part of the overall issue, Sir.

 

[Xeric]

Siachen is only one aspect of the Kashmir issue, which again is part of the larger issue of just how the relationship between the two countries should be managed. So, yes, in this you are correct that both countries are responsible for the stalemate.

However, there are certain issues where Pakistan's stance is not all that robust. I will say no more since that would take the thread off topic.

All hail the brave jawans in the field. Lets us pat them and ourselves on the back.

Why dont you educate us, sir?

 

[Bilal.]

Not to mention the first troops that went into siachin were without proper gear to protect against the extreme weather. It's one hell of a job.

 

[VCheng]

Why dont you educate us, sir?

No Sir, let us all hail the brave men in the field. I do not wish to be thread banned for "off topic" posts as elsewhere, since I am under "special scrutiny" these days.

 

[Xeric]

Sir stemina jawab de gaya tha...the leg it seemed stopped cooperating... We were gasping for air after every 100 or so meters, like one would feel after a sprint... That's when we realised that what our soldiers are doing is almost super human.

Now imagine those five men carrying that 25 KG cable bundle over and over the same terrain counting every meter as the climbed the gradient.

Not to mention the first troops that went into siachin were without proper gear to protect against the extreme weather. It's one hell of a job.

i can just imagine their pain. A minute without the Baffin boots there and you feel like cutting off your own foot!

 

[Windjammer]

What the jawans do is simply awesome!

But the leadership is the same one that led us into this stalemate to begin with. Or do we wish to brush over this fact?

Running with Rabbits and hunting with Hounds, are we again !!!....this is you showing your true colours to your Indian admirers.

What does it really matter, Sir, as long as the Pak Army is able to convince its own people that it is indeed the winner? Who cares about what the rest of the world sees.

 

[Kompromat]

Wrong idiom.

As we shower accolades and admiration on the brave men in the field, that they richly deserve, let us not ignore the reasons why they are needed to be there in the first place.

Sure, i attained a D- in school when i wrote that idiom in an exam.

 

[VCheng]

Sure, i attained a D- in school when i wrote that idiom in an exam.

Hey, you are obviously well qualified to be Admin here!

 

[Xeric]

Sure, i attained a D- in school when i wrote that idiom in an exam.

Shorba haram, Botiyaan halal.

Ab bachay ki jaan lay ga kaya?


P.S. Zara sai kar k lay

 

[Kompromat]

Hey, you are obviously well qualified to be Admin here!

Very qualified Cheng. Being an Admin while having a D- is still far charming than having 2 PhDs but STILL getting fired from an Admin role.