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To Defeat ISIS, We Must Call Both Western and Muslim Leaders to Account

And that includes the Saudi kings whose funding of Wahhabi doctrine gave rise to the scourge of Islamic extremism.


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Flowers are put in a window shattered by a bullet as Paris mourns the victims of a terrorist attack. (AP Photo / Peter Dejong)

What happened in Paris on November 13 has happened before, in a shopping district of Beirut on November 12, in the skies over Egypt on October 31, at a cultural center in Turkey on July 20, a beach resort in Tunisia on June 26—and nearly every day in Syria for the last four years.

The scenario is by now familiar to all of us. News of the killings will appear on television and radio. There will be cries of horror and sorrow, a few hashtags on Twitter, perhaps even a change of avatars on Facebook. Our leaders will make staunch promises to bring the terrorists to justice, while also claiming greater power of surveillance over their citizens. And then life will resume exactly as before.

Except for the victims’ families. For them, time will split into a Before and After.

We owe these families, of every race, creed, and nationality, more than sorrow, more than anger. We owe them justice.

We must call to account ISIS, a nihilistic cult of death that sees the world in black and white, with no shades of gray in between.

We must call to account Bashar al-Assad, whose response to peaceful protesters in the spring of 2011 was to send water cannons and military tanks to meet them.

We must call to account the governments of the United States, France, Britain, Russia, Iran, and many others, who lent support and succor to tyrant after tyrant in the Middle East and North Africa, and whose interventions appear to create 10 terrorists for every one they kill.

We must call to account George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, whose disastrous invasion of Iraq in 2003 and subsequent disbanding of the Iraqi army destabilized the entire region.

We must call to account the Saudi kings—Salman, Abdullah, and Fahd—whose funding of Wahhabi doctrine gave rise to the scourge of Islamic extremism.

When I was a child in Morocco, no clerics told me what to do, what to read or not read, what to believe, what to wear. And if they did, I was free not to listen. Faith was more than its conspicuous manifestations. But things began to change in the 1980s. It was the height of the Cold War and Arab tyrants saw an opportunity: They could hold on to power indefinitely by repressing the dissidents in their midst—most of them secular leftists—and by encouraging the religious right wing, with tacit or overt approval from the United States and other Western allies. Into the void created by the decimation of the Arab world’s secular left, the Wahhabis stepped in, with almost unlimited financial resources. Wahhabi ideas spread throughout the region not because they have any merit—they don’t—but because they were and remain well funded. We cannot defeat ISIS without defeating the Wahhabi theology that birthed it. And to do so would require spending as much effort and money in defending liberal ideas.

I am a novelist. Every year, I spend a great deal of my time giving readings or lectures at which, almost unfailingly, I am asked about Islam and Muslims and the wars now consuming the Middle East. I try to explain and contextualize,
remind people about history and politics, bring in some culture and art into the mix. But every few months, when another terrorist attack happens, the work I do seems to be for nothing. What chance does someone like me have when compared with the power of well-funded networks?

The beheadings, the crucifixions, the destruction of cultural heritage that ISIS practices—none of these are new. They all happened, and continue to happen, in Saudi Arabia too. The government of Saudi Arabia has beheaded more people this year than ISIS. It persecutes Shias and atheists. It has slowly destroyed sites of cultural and religious significance around Mecca and Medina. To almost universal indifference, it has been bombing Yemen for seven months. Yet whenever terror strikes, it escapes notice and evades responsibility. In this, it is aided and abetted by Western governments, who buy oil from tyrants and sell them weapons, while paying lip service to human rights.

I have no patience anymore for people who claim that Muslims do not speak out. They do, every day. Muslims are the primary victims of ISIS, and its primary resisters. It is an insult to every one of the hundreds of thousands of Muslim victims of terrorism to lump them with the lunatics who commit terror. The truth is that ISIS unleashes its nihilistic violence on anyone—Muslim, Christian or Jew; believer or unbeliever—who doesn’t subscribe to their cult.

I wish I could do something for the victims of terrorist violence. But I am a writer; words are all I have. And all I know is that I want, with all my heart, to preserve and celebrate what ISIS wishes to destroy: a multi-ethnic, multi-religious, multi-cultural life.

To Defeat ISIS, We Must Call Both Western and Muslim Leaders to Account | The Nation


 
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Problem is more widespread in Islam. Wahabi ideology is not only to blame.
 
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Stupid person write some thing about Islam. My Islam is more toward Sufism actually, but accusing Wahhabism as the core of the problem is really really stupid.

The way of the writer thinking is similar like the way Extremist interpret Islam, without any deep at all and so full of white and black perspective. CNN also has invited former Extremist Jihadist who become an expert on radical Islam who also think similar like this. No wonder he joined the stupid club in the first place since this kind of people is always an easy target because of their lacking in thinking ability.
 
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The author is in a confused state of mind - the fact that the mastermind of the Paris attack was of Moroccon origin similar to him would have been the catalyst.
 
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Stupid person write some thing about Islam. My Islam is more toward Sufism actually, but accusing Wahhabism as the core of the problem is really really stupid.
i absolutely agree with you,i wish entire world should follow traditional Javanese Islam
if you will ask me to rate highly torrent people on earth,i will say Javanese traditional Muslim follower ,
 
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Stupid person write some thing about Islam. My Islam is more toward Sufism actually, but accusing Wahhabism as the core of the problem is really really stupid.

The way of the writer thinking is similar like the way Extremist interpret Islam, without any deep at all and so full of white and black perspective. CNN also has invited former Extremist Jihadist who become an expert on radical Islam who also think similar like this. No wonder he joined the stupid club in the first place since this kind of people is always an easy target because of their lacking in thinking ability.
who better than a former extremist to explain how current extremists think ?
 
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i absolutely agree with you,i wish entire world should follow traditional Javanese Islam
if you will ask me to rate highly torrent people on earth,i will say Javanese traditional Muslim follower ,

I am actually a Sumatran and Muhammadiyah follower. Muhammadiyah is actually a Wahhabi but it has been a Wahhabi before Saudi even existed on the earth. Second largest Muslim organisation in Indonesia.
 
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who better than a former extremist to explain how current extremists think ?

I know the way they think, black and white and full of simplistic thinking. Many of them are lack of Islam knowledge, even I have debated with them in Indonesia, the people that are hired to doctrine the new comer.
 
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Stupid person write some thing about Islam. My Islam is more toward Sufism actually, but accusing Wahhabism as the core of the problem is really really stupid.

The way of the writer thinking is similar like the way Extremist interpret Islam, without any deep at all and so full of white and black perspective. CNN also has invited former Extremist Jihadist who become an expert on radical Islam who also think similar like this. No wonder he joined the stupid club in the first place since this kind of people is always an easy target because of their lacking in thinking ability.

this is something I've been saying for a while, nice to see other people say it as well.

Simply blaming Wahhabism won't solve anything, it's just a way to scapegoat a certain sect without addressing the underlying problems.

who better than a former extremist to explain how current extremists think ?
Because, many times, the reason why the stop being extremists is exactly the same reason why they became extremists in the first place, a lack of knowledge + a need for belonging: These two are a dangerous combination.
 
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Because, many times, the reason why the stop being extremists is exactly the same reason why they became extremists in the first place, a lack of knowledge + a need for belonging: These two are a dangerous combination.

Yup, psychological reason is always the top of the reason of why some people can be hijacked so easily by this ideology with lack of Islam knowledge being the second reason.

The sad thing about this group is that their hate toward psychological Islam (Tasawuf), it makes them really blind to see their own motive since their real motive is inside their subconscious level. They see some bad thing on some Tasawuf practice and theory and then generalize and ban Tasawuf teaching because of that flaws without realizing that Tasawuf teaching has been vary and also not similar in practice.
 
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Simply blaming Wahhabism won't solve anything, it's just a way to scapegoat a certain sect without addressing the underlying problems.
oh, come on.

first they cry about not blaming muslims and islam, fine.. blanket blaming an entire religion would be unfair, but then when you make the distinction between all islam and one particular extremist sunni offshoot, you have a problem with that too ?

what underlying problems ? evil americans and jews ?

fact is there is a problem in Islam, the problem is wahhabism, it's a nazi fascist supremacist ideology, and it must be called out for what it is.
 
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We must call to account George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, whose disastrous invasion of Iraq in 2003 and subsequent disbanding of the Iraqi army destabilized the entire region.
They still hinder Iraqis from fighting these scums they have prevention on the Iraqi PMF from participating in fighting isis in Anbar!!!.
 
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Yes Wahabi ideology+illiteracy+joblessness+poverty+foreign invasion

I don't think the last four impact that much as you think. The foreigners that join group like ISIS are usually literate and are not living in poverty. A person leaving UK or France to join ISIS is not due to poverty. A Saudi leaving his land to join Al Qaeda in Yemen is not due to being illiterate.

That would have been easy to control. And we would see the citizens of the poorest & most illiterate as the highest number of terrorists, but that is usually not so.

Therefore, to solve the problem of terrorism, we should first better understand what affects it. Looking at the wrong variables (such as poverty) confuses the matter and distracts us.
 
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Problem is more widespread in Islam. Wahabi ideology is not only to blame.
Next time, before you insult Islam, think twice.

I don't think the last four impact that much as you think. The foreigners that join group like ISIS are usually literate and are not living in poverty. A person leaving UK or France to join ISIS is not due to poverty. A Saudi leaving his land to join Al Qaeda in Yemen is not due to being illiterate.

That would have been easy to control. And we would see the citizens of the poorest & most illiterate as the highest number of terrorists, but that is usually not so.

Therefore, to solve the problem of terrorism, we should first better understand what affects it. Looking at the wrong variables (such as poverty) confuses the matter and distracts us.
You have a very valid point, I can't disagree with you, but at the same time, "sometimes" the frustration of poverty, with illiteracy / poor judgement, thrown in can cause people to go for a shortcut that is senseless?
 
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