"We are a naval nation" Turkish Foreign Minister Cavusoglu

[Apollon]

Yes, the Mongolian Golden family ruled China for 89 years (1279-1368) and the Manchus ruled China for 268 years (1644-1912).
But now the Mongolian Golden family and Manchu are ruled by China. As for the Japanese, they have never ruled China.

Does Greece now rule the Macedonians, Romans, Ottomans and Germans?

Macedonia is a province of Greece. We did rule the Romans as Byzantine Empire. We killed the Ottomans.

You are ignorant guy with full of hatred against the Turks


You know nothing about policy of the OTTOMAN SULTANs

even Vizirs which were 2nd strongest person after SULTAN were Bosnian,Albanian,Greek,Arabs,etc


there were many Turkish Admirals in the Ottoman Navy

-- KEMAL REIS ( He was Turk )
-- TURGUT REIS ( He was Turk )
-- PIRI REIS ( He was Turk )

The Piri Reis map is a world map compiled in 1513 by the Turkish Admiral and Cartographer Piri Reis
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Piri Reis map - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That was your mistake, make Greeks run your empire. We crumbled it from inside.

 

[Abid123]

Italian and French navies have superior technological capabilities. The thing is that combined the Egyptian and Greek navy could easily destroy the Turkish fleet. Alone Egypt can still do it I believe.

However,don't listen to the wanker above,the Egyptians could do it themselves too. And the Egyptians are closer than the Italians and have F-16s,Rafales,Su-35s and Mig-29s.

Many of the Turkish ships are old like ours and the majority of their fast attack craft are very low quality,only carrying two anti-ship missiles and no AA weapons.

Superior technology does not guarantee victory. This has been proven many times. Saudi Arabia has the most sophisticated and most technologically advanced US equipment in its inventory. Iran in comparison has weapons in its inventory that should have been replaced a couple decades ago.

In a conflict Iran would easily beat Saudi Arabia. That's right. Iran with its old "cold war" weapons would defeat Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia that is equipped with some of the most lavish equipment in the world would lose. What does that tell you?

 

[Maula Jatt]

Superior technology does not guarantee victory. This has been proven many times. Saudi Arabia has the most sophisticated and most technologically advanced US equipment in its inventory. Iran in comparison has weapons in its inventory that should have been replaced a couple decades ago.

In a conflict Iran would easily beat Saudi Arabia. That's right. Iran with its old "cold war" weapons would defeat Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia that is equipped with some of the most lavish equipment in the world would lose. What does that tell you?

Better institutional brains win the war (if countries are equal in resources etc)

 

[MMM-E]

On the contrary,with the Mistral,the Egyptians can go even further.

so funny

Turkish Armed Forces can destroy 2 MISTRAL LHD in minutes

150km TRLG-230 , 250 km ATMACA land based Missiles and 250+ km SOM , SLAM-ER air launched Missiles can turn 2 MISTRAL LHD into crap of metal

even I am not talking about 230 F16 , 150+ UCAVs , 16 Frigates , 4 Corvettes , 22 FACs and 12 Submarines

Egyptian Navy can not close to Turkey for 200 km ......

it comes to their new ships and weapons,we can't underestimate them. But the question is,are their systems as good as the battle-tested Western ones?
Because let's face it,they're relatively new to this,while the Americans,British,French,Germans,Dutch,Russians,Italians,Chinese had been making weapons systems,counter-measures and ships for decades.

Our Weapons are combat proven in Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan against most modern Russian , Chinese , Western Weapons

USA-İsrael-Russia used massive Electronic Warfare attack on Turkish UCAVs in Syria , Libya and Azerbaijan
still they could not stop Turkish UCAVs

Russians use Turkish UCAVs in their promotion videos .. why ?
because Russian SAM Systems could not stop Turkish UCAVs



I am saying again Egyptian or Greek Navy can not stop even Turkish UCAVs armed with 150km TRLG-230 supersonic Missiles

 

[MH.Yang]

Turks who never ruled by anyone in history

If you think the ancestors of Turkey are the Ashina family, I suggest you Google why they moved from the periphery of the Great Wall to Central Asia and who is the owner of the Ashina family. And I think the Turks today are descendants of the Byzantine Empire.
The ancestors of the Ashina family came from Gaochang, a dependent state of the Han Dynasty. Later, Gaochang was destroyed by the Huns, and the Ashina family became the slave tribe of the Huns. The Huns were destroyed by the Han Dynasty. The Ashina family nomadized near the Altai mountain, and then became a slave tribe of the Rouran people. Later, Rouran was destroyed by the Wei Dynasty of China. The Ashina family surrendered to the emperor of the Wei Dynasty and became the emperor's subordinates. At this time, the Ashina family had laws and words for the first time. After the establishment of the Sui Dynasty, the Ashina family became independent and established the Turkic kingdom. The Chinese Tang Dynasty destroyed the Turkic kingdom. The Turkic kingdom was divided into two parts, and the East Turks surrendered to the Tang Dynasty. West Turks fled to Central Asia.

Four historical books in China have clearly recorded the origin of Ashina family:
1. Volume 99 of <Bei Shi>(北史) compiled by Li Yanshou, a historian of the Tang Dynasty.
2. Volume 50 of <ZhouShu>(周书) compiled by Tang Dynasty historian LingHu DeMin.
3. Volume 4 of <YouYang ZaZu>(酉阳杂俎) compiled by Duan Chengshi, a historian of the Tang Dynasty.
4. Volume 84 of <SuiShu>(隋书) compiled by sun Wuji, Prime Minister of the Tang Dynasty

 

[MMM-E]

Especially if the Egyptian navy and air force were allowed to use Greek bases,that would be a big advantage for them.

day dreamer boy wake up and stop dreaming

all Greek Bases will be destroyed by Turkish Ballistic and Cruise Missiles

BORA , J600T , SOM , ATMACA-K

 

[MMM-E]

If you think the ancestors of Turkey are the Ashina family, I suggest you Google why they moved from the periphery of the Great Wall to Central Asia and who is the owner of the Ashina family. And I think the Turks today are descendants of the Byzantine Empire.
The ancestors of the Ashina family came from Gaochang, a dependent state of the Han Dynasty. Later, Gaochang was destroyed by the Huns, and the Ashina family became the slave tribe of the Huns. The Huns were destroyed by the Han Dynasty. The Ashina family nomadized near the Altai mountain, and then became a slave tribe of the Rouran people. Later, Rouran was destroyed by the Wei Dynasty of China. The Ashina family surrendered to the emperor of the Wei Dynasty and became the emperor's subordinates. At this time, the Ashina family had laws and words for the first time. After the establishment of the Sui Dynasty, the Ashina family became independent and established the Turkic kingdom. The Chinese Tang Dynasty destroyed the Turkic kingdom. The Turkic kingdom was divided into two parts, and the East Turks surrendered to the Tang Dynasty. West Turks fled to Central Asia.

6.000+ km Great Wall of China to stop the Turks and Mongols
Turks took part of China but never tried to rule China because fear of assimilation in huge Chinese population
China was beaten by Turks-Arabs in TALAS in 751 and after that China never dare to attack anyone


Huns,Uygurs,Tatars,Kazakh,Kyrgyz,Uzbek,Turkmen,Bashkir,etc = TURK
and Mongols are cousins to the Turks

there are OGHUZ and KIPCAK Turks

Seljuks,Ottomans,Azerbaijan,Turkmenistan,Turkey = OGHUZ TURK

 

[dani92]

Full of lies

Macedonia was not Greek ... Alexander the Great was not Greek
I am saying again , Alexander the Great was Macedonian and the first thing he did when he came to the throne was to attack Thessaly-Greece




Byzantine Empire was Romans , not Greek
The name Byzantium was used for the first time in the 16th century, in 1557 by the German historian Hieronymus Wolf in 1453; it's a fake name

104 years after the conquest of Constantinople by Mehmet the Conqueror

There has never been a state called Byzantium in history. The empire called Byzantium is actually the Roman Empire. The people of that empire never used the name Byzantium. The name Byzantium is a name invented by the German scholar Hieronymus Wolf in the 16th century

Macedonia is Greek state but you panturks are just like the Macedonian history fabricaters you come from the same toilet.

 

[CatSultan]

@Foinikas @MMM-E
I think we can agree that the ottomans had a good Navy in the 1500s but after they age of exploration they failed to keep up with new Naval technology. That is why they didn't have many colonies. Unlike the European countries they where mainly a land based power. If the Ottoman, Mughal or Safavid empires invested in Naval technology they would've become colonizing powers like Europe and Japan.

 

[MH.Yang]

6.000+ km Great Wall of China to stop the Turks and Mongols
Turks took part of China but never tried to rule China because fear of assimilation in huge Chinese population


Huns,Uygurs,Tatars,Kazakh,Kyrgyz,Uzbek,Turkmen,Bashkir,etc = TURK
and Mongols are cousins to the Turks

there are OGHUZ and KIPCAK Turks

Seljuks,Ottomans,Azerbaijan,Turkmenistan,Turkey = OGHUZ TURK

1, Modern Turkey is European, not Asian. Your lineage comes from the Byzantine Empire, and only your culture is influenced by Central Asia.
2, The grassland people in East Asia have never been afraid of being assimilated by the Chinese. They will even look for opportunities to take the initiative to join the Han nationality.



In Chinese history, the kings of grassland nationalities often led the whole nation to join the Han nationality. For example, Xianbei people disappeared in history, their emperor gave up his nationality and led the Xianbei people to join the Han nationality.

Emperor Xiaowen of Northern Wei - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[MMM-E]

If the Ottoman, Mughal or Safavid empires invested in Naval technology they would've become colonizing powers like Europe and Japan.

if in 1683 , 3 Turkic Empires ( Ottoman, Mughal and Safavid ) together attacked on Europe
whole Europe and Russia would be ruled by 3 Turkic Empires


only Ottoman Empire attacked on Europe in 1683 and Germans+İtalians+Spaniards+Russians+Poles,etc could stop the Turks in Wien ( great Turkish war between 1683 and 1699 )

 

[dani92]

@Foinikas @MMM-E
I think we can agree that the ottomans had a good Navy in the 1500s but after they age of exploration they failed to keep up with new Naval technology. That is why they didn't have many colonies. Unlike the European countries they where mainly a land based power. If the Ottoman, Mughal or Safavid empires invested in Naval technology they would've become colonizing powers like Europe and Japan.

Most of their navy was even turk since they aren’t a see people.

 

[CatSultan]

Most of their navy was even turk since they aren’t a see people.

Are you counting oarsmen? Even if you aren't a big chunk of the Navy was not Turk. But that is normal. The Mughal empire used Africans for their Navy.

 

[MMM-E]

1, Modern Turkey is European, not Asian. Your lineage comes from the Byzantine Empire, and only your culture is influenced by Central Asia.

its my country and its my history

-- Millions of TURKS entered Anatolia from Central Asia through İran , İraq and Syria between the 11th century and the 15th century

even today there are over 50 million Turks in İran , İraq , Syria and Azerbaijan


-- between 1821 and 1922 , millions of Bosnians , Albanians , Pomaks , Circassians , Georgians , Abkhaz , Chechens etc came to Anatolia ( Turkey ) from Ottoman territory Balkans and Caucasia

also there are millions of Kurds and Arabs in Turkey


most of Population = Turk , Kurd , Arab , Bosnian , Albanian , Circassian , Georgian .... nothing to do with Eastern Roman ( Byzantine ) Empire

 

[MH.Yang]

On the contrary,with the Mistral,the Egyptians can go even further. The problem of course is the refuelling and all that,but the distances between Egypt and Turkey are not gigantic. Especially if the Egyptian navy and air force were allowed to use Greek bases,that would be a big advantage for them.

Now I'm not saying they don't have some good ships,but they have numbers in general,that's their advantage. When it comes to their new ships and weapons,we can't underestimate them. But the question is,are their systems as good as the battle-tested Western ones?
Because let's face it,they're relatively new to this,while the Americans,British,French,Germans,Dutch,Russians,Italians,Chinese had been making weapons systems,counter-measures and ships for decades.

It would be a mistake to underestimate them,but this hype about their indigenous projects mostly comes from eastern muslim countries.

I talked to you in terms of history. You are misinformed about major time periods of the Hellenic nation. You mentioned the Germans ruling us (for what,2 years?) that's why I mentioned the Japanese occupation of parts of China during the late 30s and to mid-40s.

In history, only the Mongols really defeated the Chinese, and the Manchus were introduced into China by the rebels of Ming Dynasty Great Wall guard army.
The reason why the Mongols can defeat the Chinese is that you Europeans are too incompetent, and it led to the first failure of the Chinese people.

The Han people in the Song Dynasty made serious strategic mistakes. Mongols fought with Nvzhen. The emperor of Song Dynasty judged that Nvzhen was stronger only according to the number of soldiers and weapons. Therefore, he chose to ally with the Mongols to destroy the Nvzhen.
The emperor of the Song Dynasty did not expect that Tiemuzhen, the Mongolian emperor, was very powerful. He was able to unite all nomads to attack the Song Dynasty. The Mongols were also smart. They chose to obtain resources from Central Asia and Europe to attack the Song Dynasty. In 1234, the Song Dynasty went to war with the Mongols. By 1260s, the Mongols had conquered large territories such as the Middle East and Poland. In 1267, the Mongols fought a decisive battle with the Song Dynasty. The Mongol army carried weapons from the Middle East, European armor, HuiHe stone throwing machine, and even mercenaries from Germany and Poland...
The song army was defeated. In 1279, the Song Dynasty perished.
If Europe had not given the Mongols so many resources, they can not have perished the Song Dynasty.