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Way forward for Pakistan ? My View on Indo-Pak relationship

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What is the way ahead for Pakistan ? My point of view. Feel free to reply. And you may ask why an Indian concerned about it ? Cause he is arrogant ? Troll ? Anti islamist ? :D pipe down non of the above . Because India may be so big and prosperous . May be with largest population of yuva shakthi of the world . May be with her ever growing economy and muscle power. What I feel is without finding a peace between Pakistan and India she will not be completely free to touch a new height. So its very important to sort our things as soon as possible. In yhe interest of both the nations. So don't expect any invasion of Pakistan from Indian side. Atleast for the next 100 years. Let's have this status quo remained. And let's move on.

Ok so how to start with ?
First of all Stable Pakistan should be put in place so meaningful dialogue can take place. Am not saying there should be a military rule or civilian government rule. All am saying is any one of the above. You can't have both meddling into external affairs of a country . Isn't it ? Any Where it's not gonna work. So this would be a good first step forward.

Then comes our important concerns. Terrorism from Pakistan soil or I may say decently these Proxies Must be stopped. It's not just derailing our relationship but it puts Pakistan in a bad light among others nations . Isn't it ? How many of you wanted to be seen as failed state or terrorist state ? Instead of going to US if progress wr been made to strengthen our relationship . By now Pakistan and India would be at par . Atleast to each others full capacity .

Pakistanis don't need to a sentimental to be a Pakistani. Long term process should be on how you identify Pakistan and urself . The world has very different view and very bad view on Pakistan am sure any Pakistanis won't like that . Instead of inventing the future Pakistanis are keep inventing the past . In a long run this is going to back fire on non other than yourself

And another important propaganda by establishment of Pakistan is that Pakistan is incomplete without kashmir . But in good sense we must think if you can survive for 67 years without Kashmir then you can well move on without kashmir. Which in turn brings prosperity .

Another Point is punjabis in Pakistan as created this imaginary boundaries which always said India is our enemy US is always waiting to nuke us and Islam is what keep Pakistan together. Since they controls major decision making of the country . Now what happens is all other policies are charted out around this little and imaginary circle . So its not going to yield anything but keep the war mongering going with less attentions given to civilians problems.

Take US Canada for example . They both came to an conclusion that they can't compete with each other so no competition needed. But thrive together for betterment of its people. Simple as that. History teaches us lots of things for the future. Even the German and France been in war between each other for nearly some 4 centuries . But later they have found a solution like OK! We can have mutual understanding and let our people cross our borders peacefully for trade and other purposes .With mutual respect.

Because when looking at India and it's tremendous ability to bounce back this country has popped up even from a worst invasions for nearly 1000 years . Look today where India share the stage with ! With great powers like Russia US UK etc . It's sphere of influence is growing again. So its literally no way anyone can destroy this very will of its people.we are great survivors on this planet. So only god knows how old.

So I strongly belive that Pakistanis don't need to be emotional about being surpassed by India. Not in a 1000 years even in a million years Pakistan can become bigger than India in any aspect. What ever you may do. It highly recommended and wise to think for what you can and what you want !

This could be the way forward for Pakistan . And by the way India as well. Which can thrive to even better heights and so helping it's neighbours to overcome economic challenges.

Conclusion : Pakistan need to introspect it's present and future requirements of its country of its people . Must get away from small thoughts like how to stop India and harm its people. And then chart out a plan to overcome the rivals.War can be won on economic situation also. Without any credible base one can't stand . And without any internal harmony one cannot have a credible base.
 
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Then comes our important concerns. Terrorism from Pakistan soil or I may say decently these Proxies Must be stopped.
Are you for real? :woot: :lol:

And terrorist Lakhvi the mastermind of the Mumbai pogrom killing 160 Hindus, Muslims, Christians and Sikhs and the commander of Pakistan's 'strategic assets' has just been set free by a court in Pakistan! He's innocent and lily white, or so the Pak courts contend!

Nuff said!
 
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Sheer waste of time.

Do you believe following:

- 9/11 was done by American
- 26/11 was done by India
- Ajmal Kasab was Amar Singh

If your answer is YES, then we can have good relations

Otherwise, i dont know.........................
 
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Are you for real? :woot: :lol:

And terrorist Lakhvi the mastermind of the Mumbai pogrom killing 160 Hindus, Muslims, Christians and Sikhs and the commander of Pakistan's 'strategic assets' has just been set free by a court in Pakistan! He's innocent and lily white, or so the Pak courts contend!

Nuff said!
It's not mistake of the courts but the Govt which pursued the case and not provided any proof. This problem cannot be sorted out with laws but the Pakistan establishment itself.

Sheer waste of time.

Do you believe following:

- 9/11 was done by American
- 26/11 was done by India
- Ajmal Kasab was Amar Singh

If your answer is YES, then we can have good relations

Otherwise, i dont know.........................

I mentioned it clearly . Indo Pak relationship can't go ahead without stopping terrorism with in Pakistan.
 
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I mentioned it clearly . Indo Pak relationship can't go ahead without stopping terrorism with in Pakistan.
Yep.Indo Pak relations can`t go ahead without India supporting BLA in Balochistan and TTP in FATA
 
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Yep.Indo Pak relations can`t go ahead without India supporting BLA in Balochistan and TTP in FATA
not a single shred of evidence has ever supported this most outrageous claim.
 
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not a single shred of evidence has ever supported this most outrageous claim.
Its an open secret...A lot of books of Indian army retired generals confirm Indian involvement in destabilizing Balochistan
 
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yes, no doubt both our intelligence agencies have been involved across the border, not a very intelligent thing to do if you ask me.

Its an open secret...A lot of books of Indian army retired generals confirm Indian involvement in destabilizing Balochistan
I highlighted the TTP when I quoted your post.

anyway, my thoughts on the OP are that I want a peaceful sub continent so that all our people can progress and prosper but I'm not sure I'll get to see that in my lifetime, but hope to anyway.

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this TTP thing has been bugging me for a while, even opened a thread once but didn't get any satisfactory answers.

@Irfan Baloch sir, you are one of the most level headed posters here and a great source of information but I see stuff like this from you even.

TTP and BLA

you can run but nowhere to hide

Indians are already mourning your funeral

India ka kya connection hai inkey saath ? so far what I know.. Chuck Hagel's "India finances trouble for Pak in Afghanistan" and Parrikar I think it was, who said "bandook ka barrel ghuma do.." or something to that extent.

Hagel's comments can mean many things, stuff like Karzai making statements internationally against Pakistan maybe ?

would love to have some input from you here.
 
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We don't need any 'mutual understanding' or 'mutual respect', what we need is stop poking nose in each other's affairs. That would be more than enough.

As for Pakistan, it just need to revisit its noble purpose of creation: to be a secular state a la Sweden, where 'Muslims cease to be Muslims and Hindus cease to be Hindus' (It effectively was during 50-60s, but we got distracted). The day this happened, it would be only a matter of time when Pakistan would become among top 10-15 countries of the World.
 
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I think there are three main issues that obstruct any meaningful long term relationship between Pakistan and India. Kashmir, Water resources and India's refusal to accept Pakistan fully.

Kashmir's issue can be solved by a simple referendum as per UNSC resolution 47 as accepted by both parties.

Water resource problems can be solved by negotiating for a comprehensive water treaty, respecting both countries needs specially in future when global warming and increasing population will put strain on limited water resources.

And lastly, India can decrease tensions by officially declaring that it has no plan to re-unite Pakistan with India or causing its dismemberment, whether by direct application of force or by subversion.

Peace will bring much more dividends then.
 
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As for Pakistan, it just need to revisit its noble purpose of creation: to be a secular state a la Sweden, where 'Muslims cease to be Muslims and Hindus cease to be Hindus'
that's another debate,,,,,Pakistan ka matlab kya.
@Zarvan
secular liberal alert!
 
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No thank you, save it, mind your own business and we'll mind our own.
 
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