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Way forward for Pakistan ? My View on Indo-Pak relationship

I think there are three main issues that obstruct any meaningful long term relationship between Pakistan and India. Kashmir, Water resources and India's refusal to accept Pakistan fully.

Kashmir's issue can be solved by a simple referendum as per UNSC resolution 47 as accepted by both parties.

Water resource problems can be solved by negotiating for a comprehensive water treaty, respecting both countries needs specially in future when global warming and increasing population will put strain on limited water resources.

And lastly, India can decrease tensions by officially declaring that it has no plan to re-unite Pakistan with India or causing its dismemberment, whether by direct application of force or by subversion.

Peace will bring much more dividends then.

Or we could give each other saris, call it Sari diplomacy, and it will be our saari(whole) diplomacy. The media will shout "India is sari to Pakistan" and "Pakistan is sari to India".
 
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What is the way ahead for Pakistan ? My point of view. Feel free to reply. And you may ask why an Indian concerned about it ? Cause he is arrogant ? Troll ? Anti islamist ? :D pipe down non of the above . Because India may be so big and prosperous . May be with largest population of yuva shakthi of the world . May be with her ever growing economy and muscle power. What I feel is without finding a peace between Pakistan and India she will not be completely free to touch a new height. So its very important to sort our things as soon as possible. In yhe interest of both the nations. So don't expect any invasion of Pakistan from Indian side. Atleast for the next 100 years. Let's have this status quo remained. And let's move on.

Ok so how to start with ?
First of all Stable Pakistan should be put in place so meaningful dialogue can take place. Am not saying there should be a military rule or civilian government rule. All am saying is any one of the above. You can't have both meddling into external affairs of a country . Isn't it ? Any Where it's not gonna work. So this would be a good first step forward.

Then comes our important concerns. Terrorism from Pakistan soil or I may say decently these Proxies Must be stopped. It's not just derailing our relationship but it puts Pakistan in a bad light among others nations . Isn't it ? How many of you wanted to be seen as failed state or terrorist state ? Instead of going to US if progress wr been made to strengthen our relationship . By now Pakistan and India would be at par . Atleast to each others full capacity .

Pakistanis don't need to a sentimental to be a Pakistani. Long term process should be on how you identify Pakistan and urself . The world has very different view and very bad view on Pakistan am sure any Pakistanis won't like that . Instead of inventing the future Pakistanis are keep inventing the past . In a long run this is going to back fire on non other than yourself

And another important propaganda by establishment of Pakistan is that Pakistan is incomplete without kashmir . But in good sense we must think if you can survive for 67 years without Kashmir then you can well move on without kashmir. Which in turn brings prosperity .

Another Point is punjabis in Pakistan as created this imaginary boundaries which always said India is our enemy US is always waiting to nuke us and Islam is what keep Pakistan together. Since they controls major decision making of the country . Now what happens is all other policies are charted out around this little and imaginary circle . So its not going to yield anything but keep the war mongering going with less attentions given to civilians problems.

Take US Canada for example . They both came to an conclusion that they can't compete with each other so no competition needed. But thrive together for betterment of its people. Simple as that. History teaches us lots of things for the future. Even the German and France been in war between each other for nearly some 4 centuries . But later they have found a solution like OK! We can have mutual understanding and let our people cross our borders peacefully for trade and other purposes .With mutual respect.

Because when looking at India and it's tremendous ability to bounce back this country has popped up even from a worst invasions for nearly 1000 years . Look today where India share the stage with ! With great powers like Russia US UK etc . It's sphere of influence is growing again. So its literally no way anyone can destroy this very will of its people.we are great survivors on this planet. So only god knows how old.

So I strongly belive that Pakistanis don't need to be emotional about being surpassed by India. Not in a 1000 years even in a million years Pakistan can become bigger than India in any aspect. What ever you may do. It highly recommended and wise to think for what you can and what you want !

This could be the way forward for Pakistan . And by the way India as well. Which can thrive to even better heights and so helping it's neighbours to overcome economic challenges.

Conclusion : Pakistan need to introspect it's present and future requirements of its country of its people . Must get away from small thoughts like how to stop India and harm its people. And then chart out a plan to overcome the rivals.War can be won on economic situation also. Without any credible base one can't stand . And without any internal harmony one cannot have a credible base.
You are full of crap thoughts and some pathetic delusions
 
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@Irfan Baloch .. sir, please.. some evidence of Indian funding of TTP ?
you mean the one that General Raheel shared with ISAAF commander and Asraf Ghani? that made them get off their feet and attacked TTP and shut down some Indian conciliates? that is not made public unfortunately but has had an indirect effect where Indian activities have been sapped and not TTP is being pummelled on both sides of the borders

unfortunately I dont have any youtube videos and photographs to convince you but Pakistan has passed the intercepted Indian communications to the Americans and Afghans.

you see , take the case of Hafiz Saeed, what evidence is there tht he is involved in Mombai? becaue your sarkar says so and America also agrees due to the trade with your country? if you want anything in those lines then I agree our foreign office should bring up something
 
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you mean the one that General Raheel shared with ISAAF commander and Asraf Ghani? that made them get off their feet and attacked TTP and shut down some Indian conciliates? that is not made public unfortunately but has had an indirect effect where Indian activities have been sapped and not TTP is being pummelled on both sides of the borders

unfortunately I dont have any youtube videos and photographs to convince you but Pakistan has passed the intercepted Indian communications to the Americans and Afghans.

you see , take the case of Hafiz Saeed, what evidence is there tht he is involved in Mombai? becaue your sarkar says so and America also agrees due to the trade with your country? if you want anything in those lines then I agree our foreign office should bring up something

yes, I've seen some of your posts regarding the shutting down of Indian "cultural centres" and consulates in Afghanistan and you inextricably linking said shutting down to "RAW funded TTP activities"... without any evidence provided whatsoever !

sorry sir, but wrt RAW's alleged funding of the TTP, you have no "evidence" whatsoever, zero

this "trade with your country" is also BS.. you think we'd have got away with hosting Bin Laden if trade was the only criteria ? :P

we have telecom data proving those maniacs were taking orders from Karachi, at least hang Zakiur... why are you freeing these snakes ?

anyway.. so what you are saying is.. general Raheel Sharif has provided the whole world, US/UK/UN etc.. undeniable proof of Indian involvement in funding TTP but still no one dare say anything ? o_O

this is what leaders do when they have "proof"
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why is Pakistan so secretive about it's evidence ? :coffee:

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anyway, I cheer for the Pak forces in their anti jihadi operations.. I hope you kill them all
 
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- 9/11 was done by American
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lol ask your any Indian mechanical, chemical and oil related field engineer ... is that possible few L or lil ton of fuel will demolished and burn billion tons of steel with in 10 seconds.. you will get your answer lol

PS: 30 Intel agencies was sleeping... two aircrafts hijack... on aiiir for more than hour... another aircraft hijacked... and hit most powerful military hub remember "NO FLY ZONE" area Pentagon... lol
 
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The moment Pakistan resolves its issues with India, the military and ISI will be out of their work. The main ideology of Islam which supposedly require war with infidels to keep the ideology intact will become weaken.

Plus some external elements want to keep Pakistan against India to pin down India to S.Asia.
 
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lol ask your any Indian mechanical, chemical and oil related field engineer ... is that possible few L or lil ton of fuel will demolished and burn billion tons of steel with in 10 seconds.. you will get your answer lol

PS: 30 Intel agencies was sleeping... two aircrafts hijack... on aiiir for more than hour... another aircraft hijacked... and hit most powerful military hub remember "NO FLY ZONE" area Pentagon... lol

Ýou forgot to add that there were no jews in those buildings when they collapsed.

Still in denial, aren't you??
 
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There is no way forward for India-Pak relations. that is why even after 70 years after independence we are still in square one
 
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Thanks for your reply
I think there are three main issues that obstruct any meaningful long term relationship between Pakistan and India. Kashmir, Water resources and India's refusal to accept Pakistan fully.

KASHMIR - Ok
Water resources - Ok may be .
But how and when did India refused to accept existence of Pakistan ? Did our map show with Pakistan as integral part of India ?

Kashmir's issue can be solved by a simple referendum as per UNSC resolution 47 as accepted by both parties.

First of all India and Pakistan signed Shimla Agreement which is signed by both . Which states any issue including kashmir will be dealt between our two states . No external forces can be roped in. And more over even as per the UNSC resolution which clearly states before the referendum takes place PAKISTAN MUST VACATE INVADED TERRITORY Which is now known as Azad Kashmir . So when are you going to pull out Ur troops. ? And due to violence in 90s large population of Native KAshmiris been displaced . Kashmir Pandits should be resettled in J&K .

Water resource problems can be solved by negotiating for a comprehensive water treaty, respecting both countries needs specially in future when global warming and increasing population will put strain on limited water resources.
Agreement already in place . No need to panic . India won't cut water supply. Cause we don't have to punish innocent Pakistanis .

And lastly, India can decrease tensions by officially declaring that it has no plan to re-unite Pakistan with India or causing its dismemberment, whether by direct application of force or by subversion.

Peace will bring much more dividends then.

Seriously ? Do you think India want to annex Pakistan ? And for what ? More troubles ? It's like throwing ourself into a black hole(troubles/politically/economically) which has no reasonable end .

Please mark my words Even if Pakistan want to join India People of India will not accept ! So no government will dare to do anything like this unless we wr provoked into War ! . . .

If you want Indian Parliament can pass this resolution on this . With sweets, crackers and band wagon :D

There is no way forward for India-Pak relations. that is why even after 70 years after independence we are still in square one

Sorry I don't think that way . Till 19 90s there was lots misunderstanding from both side . But now India as moved on . And focus was takem away from palistan . Yet Pakistan is still stuck in 20th century . This is the problem . New generation should have wider view of these issues . New generation in the sense educated youths of Pakistan not banana youth Pakistan version of Rahul Gandhi .... Which is Mr. BOOTOOOO ;)
 
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Thanks for your reply


KASHMIR - Ok
Water resources - Ok may be .
But how and when did India refused to accept existence of Pakistan ? Did our map show with Pakistan as integral part of India ?



First of all India and Pakistan signed Shimla Agreement which is signed by both . Which states any issue including kashmir will be dealt between our two states . No external forces can be roped in. And more over even as per the UNSC resolution which clearly states before the referendum takes place PAKISTAN MUST VACATE INVADED TERRITORY Which is now known as Azad Kashmir . So when are you going to pull out Ur troops. ? And due to violence in 90s large population of Native KAshmiris been displaced . Kashmir Pandits should be resettled in J&K .


Agreement already in place . No need to panic . India won't cut water supply. Cause we don't have to punish innocent Pakistanis .



Seriously ? Do you think India want to annex Pakistan ? And for what ? More troubles ? It's like throwing ourself into a black hole(troubles/politically/economically) which has no reasonable end .

Please mark my words Even if Pakistan want to join India People of India will not accept ! So no government will dare to do anything like this unless we wr provoked into War ! . . .

If you want Indian Parliament can pass this resolution on this . With sweets, crackers and band wagon :D

You are welcome. I don't want to get between you and Pakistanis. I just said my observation of history (Kashmir wars, the war leading to Bangladesh and things like that). The history is quite thick between India and Pakistan. Also, Pakistan being smaller than India, is more cautious of future, rightly so. This is natural because of asymmetry of power and economy. Peace does not come without a price. Both sides have to give up something, otherwise war or a variation of it will remain a possibility. I am not privy to nitty-gritty of all deals between India and Pakistan and know only big factors. I guess you might want to take up those with Pakistanis here. :-)
 
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you mean the one that General Raheel shared with ISAAF commander and Asraf Ghani? that made them get off their feet and attacked TTP and shut down some Indian conciliates? that is not made public unfortunately but has had an indirect effect where Indian activities have been sapped and not TTP is being pummelled on both sides of the borders

unfortunately I dont have any youtube videos and photographs to convince you but Pakistan has passed the intercepted Indian communications to the Americans and Afghans.

you see , take the case of Hafiz Saeed, what evidence is there tht he is involved in Mombai? becaue your sarkar says so and America also agrees due to the trade with your country? if you want anything in those lines then I agree our foreign office should bring up something
Brother man ! The thing is we all did all kind of stuff but India stopped it even before 70's and moved on . It was for the retaliation . Tit for Tat . Revenge . Just after independence Pakistan invaded Azad Kashmir with force. But Indian establishment thought it can sort it out with help of UN . So no force where used by India to recapture. It was a mistake . We have moved on . Let's maintain the status quo . And if Pakistan stops it's proxies talks can move on. All am saying is that few top guys in Pakistan establishment want to punish rest of Pakistanis just for their ego ? You are very much misinformed if you think TTP is sponsored by India.

TTP was trained and grown by Pakistan with American money ! Don't you think it's true ? Where did India came into picture ? Even Pakistanis are involved in peahwar massacre . They also sponsored by raw ?

That's what I said . Pakistan need to invent the Future but you are keep re inventing the past with 20th century blunders .

You are welcome. I don't want to get between you and Pakistanis. I just said my observation of history (Kashmir wars, the war leading to Bangladesh and things like that). The history is quite thick between India and Pakistan. Also, Pakistan being smaller than India, is more cautious of future, rightly so. This is natural because of asymmetry of power and economy. Peace does not come without a price. Both sides have to give up something, otherwise war or a variation of it will remain a possibility. I am not privy to nitty-gritty of all deals between India and Pakistan and know only big factors. I guess you might want to take up those with Pakistanis here. :-)

Very well said though. Simple solution just there in front of us. Both India and Pakistan . First Pakistan must understand the difference between both the countries. Same like our human life. If am paid 10 rupees I should be spending within it. I should not think of spending 100 rupees just because my friend or elder brother can spend that much. It will put me in debt . This itself will have lots of good vibes . India already realised it . Way back in 1970s and 80s itself . That's why our approach towards Pakistan aggression was dealt with passive response . We know what both are capable of. So no need to waste our energy just to prove a point . But Pakistan missed the plot by not understanding this fact. Rather took advantage of it . So again India have to speak the language which Pakistan can understand . Which is really uncalled for .
 
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Are you for real? :woot: :lol:

And terrorist Lakhvi the mastermind of the Mumbai pogrom killing 160 Hindus, Muslims, Christians and Sikhs and the commander of Pakistan's 'strategic assets' has just been set free by a court in Pakistan! He's innocent and lily white, or so the Pak courts contend!

Nuff said!

Aren't there some Bollywood Actors who provided material support for terrorist activities in India? Apparently they are still making movies.
 
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So I strongly belive that Pakistanis don't need to be emotional about being surpassed by India. Not in a 1000 years even in a million years Pakistan can become bigger than India in any aspect.
Wow, how did you come to that ridiculous conclusion? Nations rise, Nations fall. Any nation can over come another nation regardless of size or population. Don't forget the tiny island nation of Britain, they conquered more than half the world.
Nuke each othr n be done wid it
I'm glad you are not involved in the decision making process.
 
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