Watch How General Zia ul Haq Fooled America To Make Nuclear Bomb Exclusive Vide

[WAJsal]

One can still credit Zia for his successful engagement with the US over Afghanistan which imposed a willful choice blindness on Reagan administration. Unclassified documents show that the American intelligence community certainly knew:





We know the latter to be true now.

Source: New Documents Spotlight Reagan-era Tensions over Pakistani Nuclear Program

American's thought they could control us later on. We had leverage over them, period. Funny how we couldn't use US to help us in disputes in India.
Contrary to common beliefs, Zia didn't play it smart. He open Pakistan to AK-47 culture and drugs, used religion as a tool-political to be more exact.
As earlier quoted:

Americans have also famously said about all Pakistani dictators, Ayub, Bhutto, Zia, Musharraf, that he (they) are bastards, but they are our bastards.

If only these idiotic fools were more concerned about Pakistan's interest.

And last point to add: the common argument is wrong, Zia didn't fool anyone.

 

[saiyan0321]

American's thought they could control us later on. We had leverage over them, period. Funny how we couldn't use US to help us in disputes in India.
Contrary to common beliefs, Zia didn't play it smart. He open Pakistan to AK-47 culture and drugs, used religion as a tool-political to be more exact.
As earlier quoted:

If only these idiotic fools were more concerned about Pakistan's interest.

And last point to add: the common argument is wrong, Zia didn't fool anyone.

Although Zia's contribution to the nuclear program cannot be ignored as he ruled from 1977-88 and that's eleven years where our nuclear program reached new heights and grew, however one must remember that zia did not and was not capable of hiding the nuclear program from America or western powers. He was a good liar ( not a bad thing in the international forum) which allowed the public reaction as well as political reaction to stay dim.

The greatest thing that ever happened for the Pakistan nuclear program was the soviet invasion of Afghanistan which went up to 1989. Thats ten years. The soviet union was advancing left and right and with afghanistan now part of the Soviet union and Iranian revolution based on extreme anti american principle, the middle east was under severe stress and Russia was just one country away from meeting it's close ally India and accessing the Indian ocean whilst creating a power Asian communist block.

The US had to do something and Pakistan was the last frontier. The US needed pakistan which also did not want Russia so close as pakistan was cornered from two sides. Russia from the west and India from the east. As we all know the rest of the story but in that decade the US was forced to turn its eye as pakistan fully used the US wilful blindness and made startling progress to our nuclear programs.

Fate and luck really worked for us and in that decade we made progress. Iraq, Syria, Libya, Iran all suffered in their nuclear progress bcz they didn't have these favorable conditions that we got. Never underestimate the circumstances that helped create the nuclear bomb.


We can't say that zia was did not have any influence on our nuclear program but we also can't say that its bcz of him we have it.

Anyhow. Zia had his qualities as well as his negatives. His negatives outshine his positives but like all leaders he had his positives as well.

 

[YeBeWarned]

Zia did not fool anyone, Americans knew all about our Nuclear program. Hell they knew more than Benazir Bhutto when she was in office for the first time. Americans never did take much of an action mainly because they needed us and they thought they could always control us even if we came to a point where we might have a nuclear weapon. Americans knew, so did some of the European countries.
@Bratva , thoughts?

American's are some smarty pants, they do know about our N program all along .. they let us build it. Reason could be what you describe or they just want to keep Option open to contain India/Russia via Pakistan .. and look how things went out ? India is a Big contender of becoming a Powerful player but because of Pakistan they will remain a Regional Power ..

 

[Khanate]

American's thought they could control us later on. We had leverage over them, period. Funny how we couldn't use US to help us in disputes in India.
Contrary to common beliefs, Zia didn't play it smart. He open Pakistan to AK-47 culture and drugs, used religion as a tool-political to be more exact.
As earlier quoted:

If only these idiotic fools were more concerned about Pakistan's interest.

And last point to add: the common argument is wrong, Zia didn't fool anyone.

Let us assume that Zia did everything you accuse him of, one can understand his actions as necessary evil, i.e., our Afghanistan policy is the price Pakistan had to pay to cross the nuclear rubicon.

While Bhutto is considered a secular saint in Pakistan, here's a low down of his record:

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto’s 1973 constitution made Islam the state religion, which Bhutto amended in 1974 to classify Ahmadis as non-Muslims. And for those who wish they could have a Mojito at a bar in Karachi: it was Bhutto who passed laws banning gambling, clubs and alcohol. Once again, it’s ironic that the ‘Islamisation’ of Pakistan that Zia took to great heights was actually born in Bhutto’s era. (Source)

What amuses me the most is that no one holds post-Zia governments of Pakistan accountable for anything. As if their mismanagement is also Zia's fault.

 

[Kandahari]

Yes and we have and we will make your country a hell hole. Anything you can do about that other than bitchin?

Afghanistan(Kabul regime) is the only country in the world which likes to cut the branch on which it sits. What do you expect from us after you befriend Pakistan's enemies, to mow your lawns? Pakistan tried to warm up with Karzai and Ghani but what we got in return was you people teaming up with India.


If your governments have been unable to adapt to the realities of the changing world then I guess you have only your government to blame.

Pakistan tried to warm up to Karzai and Ghani? What a load of shit that spews from your hole!! Ghanis first trip was to pakistan and he totally put India to the side... after broken promises by pak he ditched the whole idea. Karzai made numerous visits to pak nothing changed...

Yes make Afghanistan a hell hole, the same will be done in return and has been...

 

[NomanAli89]

Although Zia's contribution to the nuclear program cannot be ignored as he ruled from 1977-88 and that's eleven years where our nuclear program reached new heights and grew, however one must remember that zia did not and was not capable of hiding the nuclear program from America or western powers. He was a good liar ( not a bad thing in the international forum) which allowed the public reaction as well as political reaction to stay dim.

The greatest thing that ever happened for the Pakistan nuclear program was the soviet invasion of Afghanistan which went up to 1989. Thats ten years. The soviet union was advancing left and right and with afghanistan now part of the Soviet union and Iranian revolution based on extreme anti american principle, the middle east was under severe stress and Russia was just one country away from meeting it's close ally India and accessing the Indian ocean whilst creating a power Asian communist block.

The US had to do something and Pakistan was the last frontier. The US needed pakistan which also did not want Russia so close as pakistan was cornered from two sides. Russia from the west and India from the east. As we all know the rest of the story but in that decade the US was forced to turn its eye as pakistan fully used the US wilful blindness and made startling progress to our nuclear programs.

Fate and luck really worked for us and in that decade we made progress. Iraq, Syria, Libya, Iran all suffered in their nuclear progress bcz they didn't have these favorable conditions that we got. Never underestimate the circumstances that helped create the nuclear bomb.


We can't say that zia was did not have any influence on our nuclear program but we also can't say that its bcz of him we have it.

Anyhow. Zia had his qualities as well as his negatives. His negatives outshine his positives but like all leaders he had his positives as well.

I have seen better logics then yours e.g "Can't we just stop discussing Gen.Zia he is history now Allah knows best Lets move on"

 

[wiseone2]

He was a visionary, he saw what kind of problems Pakistan will get into if Soviets (friends of India) get hold of Afghanistan. Today we see what kind of trouble Afghanistan is creating for Pakistan and thanks to Zia we have assets in Afghanistan to handle those troubles. He knew what kind of water troubles we will be in 50 years if we dont get Kashmir form India and hence he started Kashmir resistance and Khalistan movement. The successive govt did not follow thru and managed those movement so the mess today was not his fault but of NS, BiBi, Ghulam Ishaq and Musharaf.

what Kashmir resistance ?? The Khalistan movement was an internal mess created by Indira Gandhi to weaken her political opponents

Gen Zia was an absolute disaster to Pakistani society

 

[xyxmt]

what Kashmir resistance ?? The Khalistan movement was an internal mess created by Indira Gandhi to weaken her political opponents

Gen Zia was an absolute disaster to Pakistani society

that proves my statement to be true

 

[wiseone2]

that proves my statement to be true

it completely disapproves your point

kashmir was quiet until the death of zia

the moment Indian government got serious about Khalistan movement they crushed it very fast

Gen Zia took American aid and squandered it away. it left pakistan vulnerable after the American cut everything loose in 1990

 

[Psychic]

Okay then I say what you say "Jinnah never said that"

If you have any reference to that quote, feel free to share.

Anyway here's another secular quote for you
“You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan. You may belong to any religion, caste or creed—that has nothing to do with the business of the state.”-Quaid-e-Azam

It makes Jinnah secular...LMAO.

A few other things which Jinnah said:

"Pakistan not only means freedom and independence but the Muslim Ideology which has to be preserved, which has come to us as a precious gift and treasure and which, we hope other will share with us."

This sums it up very well for those who think that an Islamic state means a state like KSA or IS:
"The constitution of Pakistan has yet to be framed by the Pakistan Constituent Assembly. I do not know what the ultimate shape of this constitution is going to be, but I am sure that it will be of a democratic type, embodying the essential principle of Islam. Today, they are as applicable in actual life as they were 1,300 years ago. Islam and its idealism have taught us democracy. It has taught equality of man, justice and fairplay to everybody. We are the inheritors of these glorious traditions and are fully alive to our responsibilities and obligations as framers of the future constitution of Pakistan. In any case Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic State to be ruled by priests with a divine mission. We have many non-Muslims --Hindus, Christians, and Parsis --but they are all Pakistanis."

On the inauguration of state bank:
"I shall watch with keenness the work of your Research Organization in evolving banking practices compatible with Islamic ideas of social and economic life. The economic system of the West has created almost insoluble problems for humanity and to many of us it appears that only a miracle can save it from disaster that is not facing the world. It has failed to do justice between man and man and to eradicate friction from the international field. On the contrary, it was largely responsible for the two world wars in the last half century. ..."


Source: https://defence.pk/threads/abandoning-status-as-islamic-republic.352338/page-41#ixzz4LVb0tFuM

You can cherry pick the excerpt from Jinnah's speech on 11th August 1947 or try to be honest, choice is yours.

 

[wiseone2]

Why would the CIA do that? That's the 1st I've heard of an indian being taken out by the Americans/CIA. The official line is that the US even during the Soviet times always wanted a nuclear india to counter balance China. Is there more to this story?

without the soviet help china would not gotten nuke bomb in 1964

 

[Khanate]

without the soviet help china would not gotten nuke bomb in 1964

Without USSR help, India wouldn't haven't gotten a nuke bomb either.

 

[NirmalKrish]

Without USSR help, India wouldn't haven't gotten a nuke bomb either.

Right that is why we can send a probe to mars on a budget less than a Hollywood movie, and you sit there tossing firecrackers over the border. My god, just what logic, by that same logic if china did not provide the blueprints and missile casings, which you just painted over and labelled the babur, you would not have been able to be dropping the N bomb on every stupid thread that comes on So please save your rhetoric's.

 

[wiseone2]

Without USSR help, India wouldn't haven't gotten a nuke bomb either.

USSR provided no help for indian atomic bomb

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

without the soviet help china would not gotten nuke bomb in 1964

Without Soviet/Western help, India would also not have been able to become a nuclear weapons state.