Why is our full history not taught to us in Pakistan Studies?

[VCheng]

The 1951 Libyan Constitution, for example, proclaims Islam as the state religion but formally sets out rights such as equality before the law

So how does anyone not a Muslim under such a Constitution get treated equally under the law? That claim is inherently illogical and thus impossible.

 

[M. Sarmad]

So how does anyone not a Muslim under such a Constitution get treated equally under the law? That claim is inherently illogical and thus impossible.

That Constitution, in contrast to our own, does not provide any definition or criteria for determining one's Muslim identity, nor does it differentiate among its citizens based on their religious affiliation.

 

[ziaulislam]

We need to retilt Pakistani ideology. This begins with complete ownership of our history. Seperation of state and religion. Going back to a secular republic. Dethroning influential molvis. Disbanding madrassahs. Full attaturk. Ban headscarfs and non Pakistani attire which includes headscarves and niqabs.

And integrate faith into the state, God is with Pakistan the collective, the state and not just Pakistani Muslims.

Then logic, reason and hunger for progress will take over and the Jinnah archetype will become the majority and we will rise, become 1st world developed, leader of men, noble and respected.

Other civilizations will copy our culture, our language, our dress, associate with our history. We shall mog India into absolute oblivion.

Turks have 1000s year of history Pakistan doesn't
Pakistan was created for freedom not fascism

Pakistan problem is that ordinary people who want earn money and then pray in peace are stuck between liberal fascists like you and extremist like mualana sahab

These people love it more in USA or England rather then in Pakistan or India or France

 

[Menace2Society]

Turks have 1000s year of history Pakistan doesn't
Pakistan was created for freedom not fascism

Pakistan problem is that ordinary people who want earn money and then pray in peace are stuck between liberal fascists like you and extremist like mualana sahab

These people love it more in USA or England rather then in Pakistan or India or France

Pakistan has 5000 years of history and it was made forbidden for them to own their history because the Arabs and Afghans wanted to claim our territory as part of their civilization and history.

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

The problem is that no one knows what an Islamic system of government is.

Governance is a way of managing a country. Similarly, a business enterprise also has a system of governance. You can’t say that we need an Islamic corporation, it won’t make any sense. Proper administration has nothing to do with religion.

What people imply with “Islamic system” is one where Islamic values are implemented, like honesty, justice, rule of law, welfare of the masses etc. Well, the reality is that Western countries are better than every single Muslim country in the world in all those things. Even Saudi Arabia ranks high in the corruption index compared to a country like Canada. 99% of Muslims would prefer to move to Canada rather than Saudi Arabia.

What we need is well functioning democracy. The way it will be different than a non-Muslim country like Canada is that it will have Islam based laws, like forbidding the consumption of pork, alcohol and it won’t promote LGBTQI.

Forget about being better than others, we have a long, long way to go to even reach the middle of the list of best run countries in the world.

Like day and night, Tamer!
Diametrically opposed to each other...
One a popularity contest the other your best foot forward.
One counting bodies the other unison.
One divisive... the other uniting.
One where opportunists present their case... the other where people present a unanimous representative.
One who gets a mandate of the whole with a 1 vote majority... the other presenting actual mandate of 100 percent.
One built on false hope, fake promises and outright lies and deceit... the other taking aspirations of his people.
One needs theater and sponsorship of patrons... the other hope of the downtrodden, kin and kith.
One captioning on fringe and wedge issues... the other demanding actual rights and concerns.
One profiteering... the other volunteering.
One on a pedestal and hoisted... the other culpable, lifting a burdened obligation.
One on optics... the other on substance.

I can go on and on... we have been suckered into accepting a paradigm none of us help design or help establish... yet are sold wholesale on it's charter and agency.
High and haughty principles...
Unable or afraid to challenge it's merits... that would seem silly wouldn't it? So go with the flow...
We accept same men to furnish both sides of the aisle, fund both, talk from the sides of their mouth... concede on distractions and lies. We accept our fate and helplessness in bringing real change. Accept imposed rules and legislation as a majority opinion... divisive and/or demented and/or dangerous it maybe for us, well being of our families... those too triggered even riot and protest but rudderless most importantly powerless to alter course, acquiesce.
For centuries, we have!

Relent to a financial management system that masquerades as people's choice... but cares for nothing but one thing... it's economic or financial viability. And people willfully accept their fate 25 years of school and that many years of work... 8 hour shifts but amenable even giddy on overtime and finally death.
Served the purpose, served the lot! Meaningless, miserable life like any other and forgotten out of existence.

Do we really need to pull the same chains and hope for a different result. But hey it's been figured out for everyone, given a job people find enough meaning that they stop questioning and if they do the financial strings are enough to bring them back to task. Afterall the dream they've been sold is a financial one... it is connected to everyone's wallet...

Everyone will relent!

All strings are coercions, each specific to it's scenario and finessed to perfection. Trial and error decoding human behavior and helping make the algorithm better.

Revel the rant of the day!

 

[ThunderCat]

Pakistan studies and Islamitization allowed Indians to steal Pakistani history and heritage.

 

[VCheng]

That Constitution, in contrast to our own, does not provide any definition or criteria for determining one's Muslim identity, nor does it differentiate among its citizens based on their religious affiliation.

Ah yes, the good old hypocrisy baked in only for appearances, but no way to implement it. Good politics, nothing else. Let's make a committee to study the issue, but then behind the scenes never call a meeting of the committee.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Ban headscarfs

this is not acceptable at all.This will be just another extreme level interference of state in our family/personal affairs.

 

[Kuru]

Hyundai comes here posting gobar about muh ancient India. The SECOND he gets an iota of pushback he bends over and spreads his scrawny kala gand talking about peace. Pathetic display, Suckdeep.

Still no peace for you

 

[Imran Khan]

if they study full history then they have to study 1971 defeat also

 

[Neelo]

Pakistan studies and Islamitization allowed Indians to steal Pakistani history and heritage.

And what’s wild is that historians abroad still don’t accept India‘s desperate attempts to “Gangify” the Indus.

They still question why Pakistan refuses to accept its ancient history. I’ve seen this countless of times from Wikipedia all the way to National Geographic.

I’ve learned more about our ancient past from FOREIGN SOURCES than from our own textbooks.

How many Pakistanis know the the origins of dentistry is from Mehrgarh? Or the Cotton Industry basically began in Pakistan? One of the earliest farming societies in human history began here? Or the fact one of the earliest chess games was invented by our ancestors!

It’s such a shame…

Indus inventions

Indus Inventions = @ancientpakistan

See Instagram 'Indus Inventions' highlights from Ancient Pakistan (@ancientpakistan)

www.instagram.com

 

[ziaulislam]

Pakistan has 5000 years of history and it was made forbidden for them to own their history because the Arabs and Afghans wanted to claim our territory as part of their civilization and history.

Yeah sure 5000 years ago there were Muslim braveli and deobandi trying to kill each other over what's the best way to urinate

We don't own our history hence we don't have history

 

[PDF]

History is taught but obsolete one. Our curriculum at schools and elsewhere should teach us recent history rather than what happened during Mughal Empire or British rule or even in the mid to to late 20th Century.
We should rather give the historical context while focusing on history from 1970s-80s up till atleast 2010 and if possible till even more modern than that.
The students can learn more and find solutions to the current situation of the country by knowing what happened in very late 20th and early 21th century than knowing about Lucknow Pact etc.

But then, the historical period I am in support of is directly licked and impacting today's Pakistan and the relevant political and military players are still the same so why would they want to share the dirty history of themselves? No political party etc would want the masses to be more informed about the truth. Same goes for the military and Judiciary.

@peagle

 

[Mr.JoJI]

if they study full history then they have to study 1971 defeat also

Its not like we don't study history or the 1971 defeat, its what we study and how it is presented.

The whole chapter of 1971 never talks about the betrayal of Bengalis by Bhuttos and Yahya, the surrender of the whatever(forgot his name) to protect Dhaka from ruins of war, or the failure and lies tols by the Ayub administration in the 65 war. Heck even the push back by mullah lot of Jinnah is not talked about.

So much and we haven't even covered Afghans here. Now the question is do you want your nation to learn from mistakes or make it live in a paradise of ignorance?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Its not like we don't study history or the 1971 defeat, its what we study and how it is presented.

The whole chapter of 1971 never talks about the betrayal of Bengalis by Bhuttos and Yahya, the surrender of the whatever(forgot his name) to protect Dhaka from ruins of war, or the failure and lies tols by the Ayub administration in the 65 war. Heck even the push back by mullah lot of Jinnah is not talked about.

So much and we haven't even covered Afghans here. Now the question is do you want your nation to learn from mistakes or make it live in a paradise of ignorance?

A. A. K. Niazi.

History is taught but obsolete one. Our curriculum at schools and elsewhere should teach us recent history rather than what happened during Mughal Empire or British rule or even in the mid to to late 20th Century.
We should rather give the historical context while focusing on history from 1970s-80s up till atleast 2010 and if possible till even more modern than that.
The students can learn more and find solutions to the current situation of the country by knowing what happened in very late 20th and early 21th century than knowing about Lucknow Pact etc.

It is difficult to state that this is not history, but a great deal of current affairs, yet not analysed by professional historians, should not be taught as history.

What has been written so far about the post 1947 period is largely journalistic output, not to be relied upon.

My personal opinion, as a graduate of historical studies, and a lifelong student of history.

And what’s wild is that historians abroad still don’t accept India‘s desperate attempts to “Gangify” the Indus.

They still question why Pakistan refuses to accept its ancient history. I’ve seen this countless of times from Wikipedia all the way to National Geographic.

I’ve learned more about our ancient past from FOREIGN SOURCES than from our own textbooks.

How many Pakistanis know the the origins of dentistry is from Mehrgarh? Or the Cotton Industry basically began in Pakistan? One of the earliest farming societies in human history began here? Or the fact one of the earliest chess games was invented by our ancestors!

It’s such a shame…

Indus inventions

Indus Inventions = @ancientpakistan

See Instagram 'Indus Inventions' highlights from Ancient Pakistan (@ancientpakistan)

www.instagram.com

This goes back all over to the controversy about what is Pakistan, a recent creation that has no history prior to 1947, or the cogent argument by Aitzaz Ahsan about a coherent Indus civilisation that has existed for 3,500 years.

I have disagreed with both views in the past, and will continue, but since this is apparently an internal debate, perhaps any further participation would be best on another thread.