Was India loss to England deliberate?

[Proudpakistaniguy]

As much as I would hate it if India did lose the match on purpose..I find it a very cheap tactic if true...one thing has to be noted..

The reason why India CAN afford to lose a match on purpose is because India has put itself in a position of drivers seat. India played every oppoonent and will play every opponent, no matter what. So the playing field is level....India isn’t getting any freebies here. If the strategy is to lose to get a favorable placement on the table, that’s only possible because India has won enough games to choose its own destiny.

I also want to clarify that this has nothing to do with Pakistan, but more to do with playing the weaker of the two likely opponents, England or NZ. India would want to play NZ over Eng or Aus.
Aus to me is the toughest team to beat in the tourney, and rather than face them in semis, India would rather face Aus in the final where pressure is equal on both sides or in an alternate scenario, have England eliminate Aus. No other team outside of England in contention has the chops to beat Aus.

Of course this is my opinion and not fact. England just was the better team today, is the simple explanation.

I think if you want to win world cup then you should not be scared of any team and any top 4 could be dangerous on their days and if you have looked at result so far then India defeated Australia , Australia defeated England and Pakistan/SL defeated England and England defeated India and even low rank team Afghanistan troubled India and Pakistan. Losing intentionally is not good for spirit of game

Can someone tell me that what if Pakistan beat Bangladesh and England looses from NZ?

Would Pakistan qualify?

if Pakistan had good runrate then they would be in top 4 by beating Bangladesh irrespective of results of England Vs Nz

If New Zealand beat England then we qualify after beating Bangladesh

If England beat New Zealand with big margin and we also beat Bangladesh with reasonable margin then we can still qualify because then points will be equal to New Zealand and position of semi finalists will be decide on net run rate

 

[Frank Martin]

The match was lost when they scored just 28 runs in the first 10 overs! Can't believe it. Overly defencieve Rohit and Kohli did the same mistake the Aussies did against our match. When you're chasing 300+ should ensure that the run rate is atleast above 5 from the beginning to avoid collosal run rates in the final overs. It has nothing to do with Pakistan though.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

it is so sad...that pakistan needs to depend and always blame others for their failures...

Why just Pakistan?
Bagladesh/NZ/England position will also decide on results of others teams

And by the way Pakistan was not even favourite to be in top 4 so if they makeit no matter how it will be sucess

 

[RoYaL~GuJJaR]

 

[Vapnope]

What's up with my compatriots !
India doesn't owe us anything. They were playing for India not Pakistan.
Stop complaining.

 

[kris]

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Seems India wanted to make a point....

First 10 overs 27/1
Yet they are short by 30 runs with 5 wickets in hand.....
Is it a net practice....
Intentional

 

[I.R.A]

but the biggest hurt is on pakistanis

I wasn't supporting india at all, watched the match and thoroughly enjoyed Jonny Bairstow ....... had he not lost the touch I was expecting 400 on the scoreboard. And by the way indian batsmen out there and their body language was supportive of halfhearted attempt. May india lose all of its remaining 2 matches as well.

I am sure Pak would do the same in such a position.

Pakistan has done this in past if I remember correctly, Younis Khan was the captain and I guess it was T20 or Champions trophy or something ....... india was depending on Pakistan winning that game, but match ended in a tie, it was Bangladesh I think or some other team.

 

[khansaheeb]

Definitely need a Scotland Yard / ICC investigation on this corrupt Indian team.

 

[Protest_again]

As much as I would hate it if India did lose the match on purpose..I find it a very cheap tactic if true...one thing has to be noted..

The reason why India CAN afford to lose a match on purpose is because India has put itself in a position of drivers seat. India played every oppoonent and will play every opponent, no matter what. So the playing field is level....India isn’t getting any freebies here. If the strategy is to lose to get a favorable placement on the table, that’s only possible because India has won enough games to choose its own destiny.

I also want to clarify that this has nothing to do with Pakistan, but more to do with playing the weaker of the two likely opponents, England or NZ. India would want to play NZ over Eng or Aus.
Aus to me is the toughest team to beat in the tourney, and rather than face them in semis, India would rather face Aus in the final where pressure is equal on both sides or in an alternate scenario, have England eliminate Aus. No other team outside of England in contention has the chops to beat Aus.

Of course this is my opinion and not fact. England just was the better team today, is the simple explanation.

I think so. It's the only opportunity for India to cop out given it is England and not Bangladesh/Sri Lanka which otherwise would mean a lot of criticism. This way they would say that they lost to better team.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

As much as I would hate it if India did lose the match on purpose..I find it a very cheap tactic if true...one thing has to be noted..

The reason why India CAN afford to lose a match on purpose is because India has put itself in a position of drivers seat. India played every oppoonent and will play every opponent, no matter what. So the playing field is level....India isn’t getting any freebies here. If the strategy is to lose to get a favorable placement on the table, that’s only possible because India has won enough games to choose its own destiny.

I also want to clarify that this has nothing to do with Pakistan, but more to do with playing the weaker of the two likely opponents, England or NZ. India would want to play NZ over Eng or Aus.
Aus to me is the toughest team to beat in the tourney, and rather than face them in semis, India would rather face Aus in the final where pressure is equal on both sides or in an alternate scenario, have England eliminate Aus. No other team outside of England in contention has the chops to beat Aus.

Of course this is my opinion and not fact. England just was the better team today, is the simple explanation.

But if you look at the way it works, engineering group outcomes depends on deliberate LOSS, and maintenance of nrr. India can work out a way to avoid Aus but they have NO control over which of eng or nz they would face. India can force a 2nd or 3rd place finish, thus avoiding team no. 1, but they have no influence on who they will face as that outcome depends on other games. Whoever wins nz eng game is the team India will face. So India cannot engineer avoidance of England, only avoidance of Aus in this case.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

India purposely loosing to England is not just for ousting Pakistan, the bigger Idea was giving England a lease of life, this was the main idea as England out of ICC world cup 2019, being the host team and England investing heavily on the world cup is not something which is acceptable to ICC and England.

 

[masterchief_mirza]

Kohli said: "The toss was vital, especially since the boundary was that short - the shortest you can have.

"It is bizarre on a flat pitch. It is crazy things fall in place randomly."

I.e. he is deflecting from possible accusations of result engineering. His choice of words in the last sentence is telling. I now have zero doubt that this result was deliberately engineered.

 

[LeGenD]

I'm going to clarify this for all of you now that I've observed as much information and footage as possible.... YES India lost deliberately while preserving run rate, however it was not "wrong" for them to do so. I am sure Pak would do the same in such a position. Such scenarios frequently arise in group stages, in football also, recently in world cup when England's route to the semi final was made easier by not beating Belgium in their final group game. It is unsportsmanlike but inevitable due to the format. If a team can engineer the elimination of a team they don't wanna face for WHATEVER reason, they will do so.

Now India probably wish to avoid Aus,but they would probably have avoided Aus whether they won or lost today. Therefore the only reason for a deliberate loss today is to help eliminate Pak, probably less out of fear and more out of their typical Pak hatred. Again though, any team can engineer group stage outcomes, whatever their underlying motive may be.

Now, one absolutely correct and right criticism of THIS world cup - unlike other examples of group outcome engineering in football or cricket - is that this privilege has ONLY been extended to India by virtue of the fixture list. They have had this advantage through the tournament and this is damming and corrupt. Engineering group stage outcome is normal gamesmanship the world over, but India has made a sham of this WC by being the only team able to do so.

I suppose NZ provided a win to PAK on a silver plate because they were PAID by ICC to make IND versus PAK semi final possible, to attract crowd and revenue generation. Heck, to facilitate booking practices. All is fair in for money...

Blame-game and conspiracy theories can extend both ways.

Point is that 338 runs total was too massive to chase in a WCC pressure game. So Indian plan was to save wickets early on (early dismissal of Rahul and a catch from Rohit dropped in 1st over -added to pressure). Building partnerships was essential, to fight for preservation of NRR at least. Dhoni also saved wickets to preserve NRR and he did well under the pressure he was coping with.

This thread = epic fail.

 

[Jugger]

#kuttinasal

Don’t be so angry, Pakistan does have a match to redeem itself.

 

[KhanBaba2]

Khud ko Karo bulund itna ki semifinal me pahuchne ke liye dushman ka saath Lage