Wahhabism & its Connections with Terrorism..!!!

[Patriots]

So ahle hadith , deobandi and salafi are the exteremist forms of islam ? Do we have salafis in India and Pakistan ?

Salafis & Ahle Hadith are same dude

firstly, all sects of Islam have extrimist elements just like any other religion including those who dont belive in any god.
in other words Beralwvis , sufis and shia also have fanatic elements. the killer of Sleman Taseer was a beralvi

deobandi faith originated from Deoband in India during the britsh raj. so yes they are in India and Pakistan as well

Much more fanatic moatazili guy is among us

 

[muse]

Thus far the usual supporters of terrorism (Wahabism) have argued unpersuasively, that there is no such thing - Some argue that the Wahabi do not refer to themselves as Wahabi, that they have changed their name and that we should refer to them by their new name -- Well obviously, terrorists do not refer to themselves as terrorists, and Murderous, Sacrilegious Barbarians do not refer themselves as Murderous, Sacrilegious Barbarians, should we therefore refer to them by whatever they choose to call themselves.

Friends, why do Wahabi not want to be known as Wahabi? What is it that they are ashamed of? why do they seek these name changes, Salafi, Ahle this and that... and presumably other names in the near future.

The Wahabi then argue that their Murderous Sacrilegious, Barbarous ideology is actually real Islam, presumably, Real Islam began in the late 1700's -- these same then argue that all latter day Islamic movements and sects are Bida and Shirk, all except their own -- But even that would not be such a problem, were it not for that the Wahabi ideology is - It is an aggressive Barbarism, associated with the notions of Takfir - this idea is the vehicle of enemy seeking and enemy making, it is the engine of the war the Wahabi impose on Muslims and it must be respond to, till such time as it is renounced clearly, unequivocally, or else we as Muslims will continue to be under threat from the war of the Wahabi on Muslims, regardless of sect.

 

[somebozo]

While many people fast to beat the trumpets of wahabi wahabi...they forget that much of the violent jehadist doctrine is derived from ideals of Muslim Brotherhood and Sayeed Qutb!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

This is a forum and this is how we discuss things by asking questions and giving answers.
I asked you a simple question and I was expecting something on the line of yes/no but anyways I
gather from your answer its a NO as Neither Hazrat Ali ( Radi allahu anhu) and neither did hazrat imam hussain(Radi allahu anhu) or any of his siblings practised and preached this kalma of shia's..

Next question is where from this came then and when after how many centuries of the karbala?


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I guess all ahl-e-kitab accepts his stature his wisdom whole heartdly why otherwise would prophet would give his beloved daughter to him .You will see his words being preached openly in ahl-e-hadith books but you will never see words of other three khalifa's in shia's books instead you must be knowing the ways shia's adopt to insult them( Prophet married his twp daughters with Hazrat usman(Radi allahu anhu) and the stature of other two also doesnt need any words).whoz narrow minded here then?

dear I will agree to some points but must clarify as well. I am one of many people who has family members from both schools of jurisprudence. while devotion for Hazrat Ali is mainly because they chose to follow Ali over Amir Aa'wiya but respect for Sahaba RA was always there and I am the one who has attended shia majalis and put this question about insulting of Khulfa rashideen, they actually distance themselves from insults and blame on a fringe sect called NOseri and actually point at a tradition set by Amir Ma'wiya where insulting Hazrart Ali became part of part of Jumah sermon and was eventually stopped by none other than Hartaz Umer Bin Abdul Aziz ra who revived the heart and soul of Khlufa rashideen ra and is respected and adored by sunnis and shias togther,

I came across a shia scholar Jaan ali Kazmi who explains the conspiracy where a certain group pretending to be shia spreads such poison. that shia guy he explains about kharjis and nosehris

home listen to 1:30 and onwards
Jan Ali Kazmi explains about Nusahri (Bawa Sada Group) and Kharjies. Both Enemies of Islam - YouTube

he is not being politically correct and says from heart that Shia and sunni are one and brothers and tells shias to dismiss propaganda against Hazrat Umer ibn Khattab r.a (thats another video that i cant locate now but when I do I will link it)


listen to this video very interesting where ICA is trying to instigate a war between shia & sunni
HAQQEEQAT AMRECA N C.I.A KI SAZESH [Talk Agha Jan Ali Kazmi] - YouTube

 

[Irfan Baloch]

The good thing is that our countries are safe and prosperous, where people follow the same teachings of Islam,.

I am personal witness to that. my father served in Saduia for 2 years during the war with Yemen, he was serving as Major then in Pakistan army in an air defense battery that was sent to originally Khamis and then to sharurra. normally families of army officers go where they go so I was there as well and must say it was the best time of my life. our unit had officers from shia and sunni sect and they said that whenever they prayed in any mosque including Majid AL Haram and Masjid Al Nabi PBUH no local Saudi bat an eye who they were praying. they felt and peace and ease praying anywhere in Saudia , although shia's did complain about over active Matawah in Masjid An Nabbi at the tomb of the Holy Prophet PBUH but they understood that they had to control themselves int heir expression of devotion. well Matawah have a very thankless job anyway and even the Saudi locals are not very pleased by them

While many people fast to beat the trumpets of wahabi wahabi...they forget that much of the violent jehadist doctrine is derived from ideals of Muslim Brotherhood and Sayeed Qutb!

a fact that is admitted by people who have written about Bin Laden. I have listened to an hour long lecture by an American who has written about Bin laden family and Osama himself and explained how Al Zwahiri brought his concept of suicide bombing and extreme violent tactics in AL Qaeda and he is the main driving force behind the savageness of Al Qaeda and he is from Egypt and was former Muslim brotherhood guy if I am not mistaken,

 

[Alienoz_TR]

After each mujaheedin uprising, comes a foreign intervention. Whether Taliban; or Somalia ( dunno their names); Yemen, Mali, Libya. Someone plays with those Sunni, Shias and make them clash eachother. As seen in the examples of Syria and Iraq.

Either these extremist Sunni doctrine and their representatives are stupid or more dangerously the zionist collaborators.

If Saudis ( and AKP of Turkey) represent true Islam as Blackeagle claims, sorry i worry about the future of Muslims.

 

[muse]

he is not being politically correct and says from heart that Shia and sunni are one and brothers

Lets see if the Wahabi will ever assert the same - it will be a cold day in hell? lets see?

 

[Mosamania]

I am personal witness to that. my father served in Saduia for 2 years during the war with Yemen, he was serving as Major then in Pakistan army in an air defense battery that was sent to originally Khamis and then to sharurra. normally families of army officers go where they go so I was there as well and must say it was the best time of my life. our unit had officers from shia and sunni sect and they said that whenever they prayed in any mosque including Majid AL Haram and Masjid Al Nabi PBUH no local Saudi bat an eye who they were praying. they felt and peace and ease praying anywhere in Saudia , although shia's did complain about over active Matawah in Masjid An Nabbi at the tomb of the Holy Prophet PBUH but they understood that they had to control themselves int heir expression of devotion. well Matawah have a very thankless job anyway and even the Saudi locals are not very pleased by them



a fact that is admitted by people who have written about Bin Laden. I have listened to an hour long lecture by an American who has written about Bin laden family and Osama himself and explained how Al Zwahiri brought his concept of suicide bombing and extreme violent tactics in AL Qaeda and he is the main driving force behind the savageness of Al Qaeda and he is from Egypt and was former Muslim brotherhood guy if I am not mistaken,

Al-Qaeda is in fact a Muslim Brotherhood creation, and extension of Syyid Qutub teachings "A Palestinian and the Godfather of Al-Qaeda" and the true leader of Al-Qaeda Ayman Zwahiri, as it is largely known. Bin Laden was the PR guy of Al-Qaeda nothing more.

This whole Shia/Sunni thing only started to exist with the arrival of the Iranian revolution and the rise of Khomenei amd wilayat-e-Faqyeh concept. Sure KSA on its part has a burden of blame as it tried to distance itself from similar revolutions by demonizing Shias, but to put the entire blame on KSA is very unjust and unfair personally I do not give a damn about religion it is a human beings private affair and I only look to other human beings as human beings only irrespective of religion let alone sect. Also putting the blame on KSA for terrorism is also very unjust and unfair. Al-Qaeda choose to send its Saudi members for 9/11 just for the purpose of making the US attack KSA in which they will inact a holy war against the invaders and their dream Emaret state becomes real through such war. Thankfully that plan did not succeed.

And we have people like muse here who loves nothing more than to spread blind hate and disgusting propaganda. Who himself is most likely a victim of propaganda. You can clearly see his blind hate through his insults. But then again a lowly organism is a lowly organism.

Lets see if the Wahabi will ever assert the same - it will be a cold day in hell? lets see?

Again muse is back to his lowly self again.

 

[haviZsultan]

Thanx but no thanx we are capable of solving our own problems without helping hand from outsiders . Majority of Hindus and muslims lived together for centuries infact still a big number live in peace and harmony including myself .you can give ur assumptions but u cannot read the mind of majority of Indian muslims who love their country to the core. Every country has some or the other kinda communal issues i dont disagree to that but our judicial system isn't as week like yours.

Dont know what happened with ansaris in the past . but i only know one ansari thats(HAMID Ansar) a vice president of India .
If i love my country that doesn't mean i am a part of RSS or shive sena troop that doesn't make any sense at all . we have our ancestoral roots ,our own peace of land and infact we get every right in this country may it be basic rights , fundemental ,judicial and infact constitutional rights andd religious freedom is one of the best we enjoy here. and whn u talk about hindus then let me tell u that all hinuds Do not belong to the extremist belt same with muslims in India but its the civil society which exist in large were all the communites live together peacefully .


Coming back to wahabis In India they are called AHLE -HADIS (people who follow quran and sunnah ) As per the sahi hadis .and wahabis do not commit any shirk and bidah(Innovation) Like the barelvis and deobandis . mee too was under the same hoax But thanx to my friend who is an ahle hadis who helped me to follow the right teachings of quran and sunnah .

I would like you to take interest in these affairs. But do not become meek and avoid issues of your rights because our Ansars and our family suffers for it. We saw this problem long ago. No one was willing to raise issues of the community and as my cousin stated "Indian Muslims are like sheep" led by the majority. Raise issues of your rights so no one has to escape that country. I moved people myself in SufferersWitness long time ago. Also I see you avoided something that was the crux of my post-framing of innocents including Afzal Guru.

Wahabism is an interesting topic. People see it positively-some negatively which is a thing with all schools of thought. Interesting read here:

Intra-Muslim Rivalries in India and the Saudi Connectionsikan | Sikh Spectrum

I am sorry to say this, but you people have proved that you are sectarians by nature, looking for anything for dividing everything especially Islam, I am well sure that if it wasn't Islam sects, it will be sth else like dividing people based on ethnicity in your country. I only hear about Sunni Mathhabs only and only here ONLY from few Pakistanis trying intentionally or unintentionally to divide Muslims. Again, Saudis represent True and pure Islam, it is a religion not a sect, you can look for an another name for your sect if it's a new one.

Have you heard of the concept of Ijtehad at all? It calls for criticism of schools of thought and scholars were so objective that they started the debate (talking about debate part of Ijtehad which is the pre-cursor to Islamic liberalism) with the words I may be wrong. It is unfortunate that bums are hurting today when we discuss Wahabism which has a very clear relationship with worldwide terror issues today.

 

[Mosamania]

I would like you to take interest in these affairs. But do not become meek and avoid issues of your rights because our Ansars and our family suffers for it. We saw this problem long ago. No one was willing to raise issues of the community and as my cousin stated "Indian Muslims are like sheep" led by the majority. Raise issues of your rights so no one has to escape that country. I moved people myself in SufferersWitness long time ago. Also I see you avoided something that was the crux of my post-framing of innocents including Afzal Guru.

Wahabism is an interesting topic. People see it positively-some negatively which is a thing with all schools of thought. Interesting read here:

Intra-Muslim Rivalries in India and the Saudi Connectionsikan | Sikh Spectrum



Have you heard of the concept of Ijtehad at all? It calls for criticism of schools of thought and scholars were so objective that they started the debate (talking about debate part of Ijtehad which is the pre-cursor to Islamic liberalism) with the words I may be wrong. It is unfortunate that bums are hurting today when we discuss Wahabism which has a very clear relationship with worldwide terror issues today.

Okay please do explain to me "What is Wahhabism?" in your own words. I am very interesting to hear your definition.

 

[haviZsultan]

Salafis & Ahle Hadith are same dude



Much more fanatic moatazili guy is among us

Mu'tazili is a secular branch of Islam... its followers have not ripped up women's feotus's

Okay please do explain to me "What is Wahhabism?" in your own words. I am very interesting to hear your definition.

I would define it as nothing but an ordinary school of thought started by a person of very questionable background who was abandoned and disgraced by his own father (who cried and was in tears due to him)... I do not believe in any great meaning for it except it being a school of thought and thus being worthy of scholarly criticism. Scholarly criticism means no one declaring the other Kaffir or abusing Shias for a Sunni being most vociferous opponent of Wahabism. Both me and probably @muse are Sunnis.

 

[Patriots]

Thus far the usual supporters of terrorism (Wahabism) have argued unpersuasively, that there is no such thing - Some argue that the Wahabi do not refer to themselves as Wahabi, that they have changed their name and that we should refer to them by their new name -- Well obviously, terrorists do not refer to themselves as terrorists, and Murderous, Sacrilegious Barbarians do not refer themselves as Murderous, Sacrilegious Barbarians, should we therefore refer to them by whatever they choose to call themselves.

Friends, why do Wahabi not want to be known as Wahabi? What is it that they are ashamed of? why do they seek these name changes, Salafi, Ahle this and that... and presumably other names in the near future.

The Wahabi then argue that their Murderous Sacrilegious, Barbarous ideology is actually real Islam, presumably, Real Islam began in the late 1700's -- these same then argue that all latter day Islamic movements and sects are Bida and Shirk, all except their own -- But even that would not be such a problem, were it not for that the Wahabi ideology is - It is an aggressive Barbarism, associated with the notions of Takfir - this idea is the vehicle of enemy seeking and enemy making, it is the engine of the war the Wahabi impose on Muslims and it must be respond to, till such time as it is renounced clearly, unequivocally, or else we as Muslims will continue to be under threat from the war of the Wahabi on Muslims, regardless of sect.

There is no answer of your bias & ignorant. You don't know Arabian history but try to spread misconception. In known history of the world no one declare that he is wahhabi but true Muslims respect to Sheikh Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab. I bet you could never show single proof that any one says that he follows wahhabi sect.
But if you insist that we call us wahhab then ok. I am wahhabi and if you consider to wahhab as terrorist then go to court sue to wahhabis.

 

[muse]

. I am wahhabi and if you consider to wahhab as terrorist then go to court sue to wahhabis.

Take you court? Courts are criminals, Are you asserting that you are a criminal? - But you are a Wahabi and there is a cure for that, and we will come to that in time


Irfan says that Ulema say that Shia and Sunni are both Muslims and brothers -- this is an opportunity, which one of you Wahabi are going to stand up and say this is true and that Wahabi clerics assert the same?

 

[Green Bullet]

First people should refrain from using the word Wahabi because its one of the 99 names attributed to God. We should call them Salafi. My opinion on this discussion is simple, the salafi's have spread cancer on this world and are a violent sect. Most of them would not discuss things in a civilize manner but would always sprout Bidah and Shirk, at anyone who disagree's with them. Read the history of Muhammed Bin Abdul Wahab and you would see quite clearly he was a person who colluded with the British and the Saud family to weaken the Ottoman rule in Arabia. He followed the teachings of a Sheikh 600 years previously who was imprsioned by the Caliph due to his extreme views and innovative teachings. All terrorists from the Muslim world come from this sect, which just proves that the authorities need to do or change things.

 

[Patriots]

Both me and probably @muse are Sunnis.

Dude don't tell lie over here. Everybody knows that you are moatazili and aitezal has no any relation with Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamat. Infact you say to Ahle Sunnat as terrorist.