Vote fraud charges: Open ballot bags, see the fraud, says Imran

[HughSlaman]

Material witness is who can describe with proofs how the rigging or any crime happened. Eye witness meaning they can credential the issue. I saw the victim drinking coffee last nigth before they got hit by a truck, isn't a material witness. A material witness is: "I saw the victim walking, I saw the truck tag number XXXX11122 moving forward and it hit her and the driver ran away, here's the truck's tag number I noted with a description of the driver"

@orangzaib
Please give me a source for the court dialogue you claim took place, (not the dialogue with reporters). I asked for this in post #40 above.

 

[TankMan]

Material witness is who can describe with proofs how the rigging or any crime happened.

People like Afzal Khan described everything perfectly, they described whose home the ballots were taken, where the extra papers were printed from, how they were used to rig the elections, everything - that much is more than enough to require an in-depth investigation.

You are basically saying 'we need evidence to be able to start looking for evidence', that's nonsense.

Answer me, don't run away

You mean like you ran away from my arguments here, here, here, here and here?
Edit: also, here

So it rigging is true, the NS government has already said that they'll resign (if its true the way IK accuses to).
If its false....what does IK do? He's gotten people killed, billions lost and created a terrible environment in the country....What would he do? He should be a man and say I'll quit politics at the LEAST as lied to everyone. So tell us what IK would do when he's wrong in this case??

There's no point asking this question since it's purely hypothetical. ''What if the rigging was false''
It has already been proven true. If you want to know what IK would have done if it was false, ask someone from PTI, because otherwise my guess is as good as anyone else's.

 

[Norwegian]

You are basically saying 'we need evidence to be able to start looking for evidence', that's nonsense.

NO, his argument is that we need evidence so that tribunal courts can give its final verdict which is nonsense! Its tribunal courts that have the only authority to open and investigate rigging by allowing vote-audit in the first place! IK has nowhere to go and this @orangzaib thinks he lives in US

 

[HughSlaman]

People like Afzal Khan described everything perfectly, they described whose home the ballots were taken, where the extra papers were printed from, how they were used to rig the elections, everything - that much is more than enough to require an in-depth investigation.

You are basically saying 'we need evidence to be able to start looking for evidence', that's nonsense.

You mean like you ran away from my arguments here, here, here, here and here?

@orangzaib is apparently running away from my question to him in #40 as well.

 

[Norwegian]

Can anyone explain what's wrong with this @orangzaib dude? WHAT has IK done with you in the past that you hate him so much?

 

[TankMan]

@orangzaib is apparently running away from my question to him in #40 as well.

That's what he does, he writes long rants and when they're dissected and refuted, he either calls you a paid troll or doesn't reply at all.

Can anyone explain what's wrong with this @orangzaib dude? WHAT has IK done with you in the past that you hate him so much?

A better question would be: ''what has NS done for you that you love him so much''

 

[Saifkhan12]

Can anyone explain what's wrong with this @orangzaib dude? WHAT has IK done with you in the past that you hate him so much?

He would make a good disinformation minister if king Nawaz ever decides to replace P Rasheed.

 

[TankMan]

He would make a good disinformation minister if king Nawaz ever decides to replace P Rasheed.

Goebbels would be proud

Joseph Goebbels - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[mr42O]

Answer me, don't run away, you are dodging the main question. So it rigging is true, the NS government has already said that they'll resign (if its true the way IK accuses to).
If its false....what does IK do? He's gotten people killed, billions lost and created a terrible environment in the country....What would he do? He should be a man and say I'll quit politics at the LEAST as lied to everyone. So tell us what IK would do when he's wrong in this case??

He doesn't need to do anything since his political career will be over finito... Ppl will not elect him.

Imran Khan has said many times if he is proven wrong he will personally go to Nawaz Sharif and accept him as PM also ask for forgiveness... On other side what has nawaz Sharif said he will do? Actually that's 1 of demands pti has that if rigging proofed NS has to resign and announce election... Which is rejected by pmln I wonder why?

 

[Viper0011.]

He doesn't need to do anything since his political career will be over finito... Ppl will not elect him.

Imran Khan has said many times if he is proven wrong he will personally go to Nawaz Sharif and accept him as PM also ask for forgiveness... On other side what has nawaz Sharif said he will do?

1) Whether IK accepts NS a PM or not, it doesn't matter. The guy is a PM. Whether IK and 200K people based on assumptions think otherwise. 20 seats, if true, still don't have any impact on the majority to form a government. So the entire country didn't have to go through losing billions if the 20 seats don't turn the table anywhere. This was an issue that needed to be resolved peacefully. And PLEASE, don't tell me IK tried. He didn't, not the way he should've. The guy has no decision making capacity and he's making the entire country suffer due to his idiotic assumptions, put into his head by others and "make believe" topics.

2) NS has already said it that he'll resign if anyone can prove it that he is involved with any "rigging". I know IK's propaganda shows people otherwise, but its never the NS's people who didn't want to negotiate with IK. But IK needs to understand, you can't put a gun to someone head and ask them to meet your conditions,

This is a country and a democratic system. Not a hostage situation. Civil, democratic and educated nations don't do these violent acts when there is an active Parliament and an Assembly working. No matter what you or anyone else say.

 

[TankMan]

He didn't, not the way he should've.

Oh really? How should have he then, by shutting up and kissing king NS's feet?
He tried more than what was possible under this corrupt system.

Spoiler: Proof and facts

PTI wants recount with fingerprint verification in 4 constituencies – The Express Tribune
Published: May 15, 2013 -4 days after the election, 14 months before the protest

Election rigging: Imran Khan presents 2000-page white paper – The Express Tribune
Published: August 21, 2013 - 3 months after the elections, 1 year before the protests.

Imran warns Nawaz of 'tsunami march' if demands not met - Pakistan - DAWN.COM
Updated Jun 28, 2014 - 2 months before the protests

PTI Charter of Demands on Electoral Reforms (May 11, 2014)
Tuesday, 13 May 2014 - 3 Months before the protests started

Imran Khan calls for complete audit of 2013 elections à la Afghan polls – The Express Tribune
Published: July 15, 2014. A month before the protest march.

idiotic assumptions

That's extremely ironic coming from you.

NS has already said

Just like he said he'll end loadshedding in six months. He also said he would turn Lahore into Venice. He also said that he never called upon the Army, and was later proven wrong by the Army themselves.
What he says and what he does are two completely different things.

Civil, democratic and educated nations don't do these violent acts when there is an active Parliament and an Assembly working.

If by 'violent acts' you mean murdering fourteen people to intimidate your opposition, you're right.

If you mean protesting, you're wrong (unless you're trying to imply the US,UK, Canada and every other developed nation don't have an active parliament) - people protest everywhere. They get blocked and shelled in some places, Pakistan unfortunately being one of those places.

Since you ran away from all my (and others') arguments, which are the basis of this discussion, your ranting has no value, so you might as well spend this time reading your own mental health links, it may help you.