Vixen-1000E AESA with IRST showcased at IDEAS

[Blue Marlin]

I think that the HMD announcement will be made in 2017.

and which missile would go with it? a darter, iris-t pl-10 or the current pl-5ell?

 

[GoldenRatio1618]

Is there any possibility PAF to use both Leonardo's Vixen 1000E and New KLJ. on JF17s both will be good combination for JF17s.

 

[royalharris]

talking is cheap,there are too much BS ampty talking, just watch final result,let the reality check

 

[Tank131]

One thing of interest is the sudden surge of UK interest in Pakistan with their FM being in Pakistan pleading to increase trade saying things like need for deeper penetration into each others economies and how "we can do so much better" than 2.7bln pounds. Couple that with Theresa May's desire to visit Pakistan in first 6 months and the fact that their economy has suffered greatly from brexit, i think you will see a great relaxation in the defense trade early on. You will likely get no opposition from UK regarding Vixen/Ravem radar, freeing up selex to make the deal.

You may further get access to EJ200 which would be a boon for JF-17 in terms of power, weight reduction, fuel consumption, and increased fuel capacity due to smaller size, giving the JF-17more power, less weight and longer range with a better overhaul time. Cost is more but you get nearly twice the life of the engine with EJ200 vs RD93. In other words, one engine costs nearly 2x more, but it has nearly twice the lifespan (evening out the cost of the engines over time).

PN could theoretically get access to CAMM as well which would be huge for them.

Interesting things to come i think.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

and which missile would go with it? a darter, iris-t pl-10 or the current pl-5ell?

SRAAM is not final

 

[Khafee]

We have been hearing about Gulf interest for JF-17 and if this integration turned into reality, which seems a possibility as different dealings and MOUs are placed with Italians by Pakistan in past, IMO, it is going to make it but after all the studies.

The deal will become a possibility as soon as interest changed into Gulf money for the platform. Didn't we hear about EJ-200 possibility as well into JF-17? Interesting diplomacy.

Seems like an "Arabian Knight" (JF-17 for Gulf Countries) and PAF Block-III is into making.

@Khafee

We have been following it's development from day one, there were a few things we felt were missing. Once they get worked out, an opportunity could very well rise.

EJ-200 , AESA, IRST, retractable IFR, would really make it quite formidable.

 

[Blue Marlin]

We have been following it's development from day one, there were a few things we felt were missing. Once they get worked out, an opportunity could very well rise.

EJ-200 , AESA, IRST, retractable IFR, would really make it quite formidable.

isnt the ej-200 physically smaller than the rd-93?

mind you its not only the ej-200 but the m88 too

In terms of JF-17 powerplant, Air Commodore Mahmood told AIN that, “We’re satisfied with the [Russian Klimov] RD-93, but some customers may want another engine. We have done preliminary studies on the [Eurojet] EJ200 and [Snecma] M88. They are doable.”

http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2015-06-15/jf-17-thunder-gets-first-export-customer

SRAAM is not final

what would your opinion be what what misile they would be getting and why?

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

We have been following it's development from day one, there were a few things we felt were missing. Once they get worked out, an opportunity could very well rise.

EJ-200 , AESA, IRST, retractable IFR, would really make it quite formidable.

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Kind sir,

What you make of these developments coming up rather quickly....

French firm signing MoU with PAC/PAF. Italians never really left. EJ200 is there, ready to be sold, if/when money is available. French/Euro aviaonics/EW is really available now. Which will be competible for all of GCC fighters.

I mean if the JF is capable, which it abudently is, all the Euro tech additions make it really a platform suited for entire GCC.

GCC has an unspoken agreement...all their systems do work together. SA obviously is the leader of the pack.

Turkey needs to retire some of its fighters, inculding 16s.

They way I see it should the GCC defence planners go for JF17... JF18 will come in due time which will be the product of GCC-Turk-Pak axis with either Chinese or European collaboration.

GCC can easily absorb a couple of 100 JFs if not more.

What about your country? UAE can really benefit from JF and follow up programs.

Same goes for naval platforms...

Potential and benefits are truly immense.

Would the existing defence/strategic agreement between GCC and US allow the GCC to shop from Pak? (here no offence to you/your govs is intended. But reality is what it is. I do appologise if an offence is taken.)

Over to your thoughts.

Thank you.

 

[Khafee]

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Kind sir,

What you make of these developments coming up rather quickly....

French firm signing MoU with PAC/PAF. Italians never really left. EJ200 is there, ready to be sold, if/when money is available. French/Euro aviaonics/EW is really available now. Which will be competible for all of GCC fighters.

I mean if the JF is capable, which it abudently is, all the Euro tech additions make it really a platform suited for entire GCC.

GCC has an unspoken agreement...all their systems do work together. SA obviously is the leader of the pack.

Turkey needs to retire some of its fighters, inculding 16s.

They way I see it should the GCC defence planners go for JF17... JF18 will come in due time which will be the product of GCC-Turk-Pak axis with either Chinese or European collaboration.

GCC can easily absorb a couple of 100 JFs if not more.

What about your country? UAE can really benefit from JF and follow up programs.

Same goes for naval platforms...

Potential and benefits are truly immense.

Would the existing defence/strategic agreement between GCC and US allow the GCC to shop from Pak? (here no offence to you/your govs is intended. But reality is what it is. I do appologise if an offence is taken.)

Over to your thoughts.

Thank you.

What do you make of this?

http://www.thenational.ae/business/...pe-imports-a-sign-of-more-protectionist-times

 

[Khafee]

well figure it out for your self its quite easy.
im a nice guy so i shall do it for you.
its clear that americain pipe makes are butt hurt over the competition from the uae and china and are retaliating with higher tarriffs. simple. the chinese have a huge steel producing facilities over the world and simply reducing it is not an option due the amount of job losses and that would increase steel too. so a fine balance is needed. as for the uae im suprised to learn they even make pipes [no offense]

You sure are special. Reminds me of the saying: "Somewhere a village is being deprived of its......" [no offense]

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Kind sir,

What you make of these developments coming up rather quickly....

French firm signing MoU with PAC/PAF. Italians never really left. EJ200 is there, ready to be sold, if/when money is available. French/Euro aviaonics/EW is really available now. Which will be competible for all of GCC fighters.

I mean if the JF is capable, which it abudently is, all the Euro tech additions make it really a platform suited for entire GCC.

GCC has an unspoken agreement...all their systems do work together. SA obviously is the leader of the pack.

Turkey needs to retire some of its fighters, inculding 16s.

They way I see it should the GCC defence planners go for JF17... JF18 will come in due time which will be the product of GCC-Turk-Pak axis with either Chinese or European collaboration.

GCC can easily absorb a couple of 100 JFs if not more.

What about your country? UAE can really benefit from JF and follow up programs.

Same goes for naval platforms...

Potential and benefits are truly immense.

Would the existing defence/strategic agreement between GCC and US allow the GCC to shop from Pak? (here no offence to you/your govs is intended. But reality is what it is. I do appologise if an offence is taken.)

Over to your thoughts.

Thank you.

What naval platform did you have in mind? Can you be specific.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

What do you make of this?

http://www.thenational.ae/business/...pe-imports-a-sign-of-more-protectionist-times

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My dear friend,

Thank you for sharing the inevitable. Am I surprised? Not really...what is more worrying is your equity exposure...both SWF and private. All tied up.


But you are people of the desert.. generous, independent and wise. The Seven Pillars of Wisdom.
Was once in your UAE in autumn. What a great weather. The family loved the beach and the resort.


I just wish to see great collaboration between Pak-Turk-GCC. It is a Strategic Axis with Strategic Weapons. GCC should be in SCO.

Hope GCC fully joins CPEC and MIC of Pakistan. A better friend you can never have than Pak people/State.


So are you going to buy the Thunder?


Kind regards,

SPF

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

You sure are special. Reminds me of the saying: "Somewhere a village is being deprived of its......" [no offense]



What naval platform did you have in mind? Can you be specific.

PNS is just sitting on many great ideas... to be honest quite a creat force of the Three Pak Services. I am thinking of joint development of multirole platform based on Turkish/Chinese frigates/destroyers and of course the subsurface fleet. In your shallow waters there are only Iranian subs. Time to change that...

Instead of green fields approach build upon what already is available and the sub systems can be bought from Euro zone. They will sell any/everything... money is very tight these days here.

It depends on your doctorine.

Over to you!

 

[Khafee]

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My dear friend,

Thank you for sharing the inevitable. Am I surprised? Not really...what is more worrying is your equity exposure...both SWF and private. All tied up.


But you are people of the desert.. generous, independent and wise. The Seven Pillars of Wisdom.
Was once in your UAE in autumn. What a great weather. The family loved the beach and the resort.


I just wish to see great collaboration between Pak-Turk-GCC. It is a Strategic Axis with Strategic Weapons. GCC should be in SCO.

Hope GCC fully joins CPEC and MIC of Pakistan. A better friend you can never have than Pak people/State.


So are you going to buy the Thunder?


Kind regards,

SPF

Thunder - InshaAllah

Pak-Turk-UAE - Work in progress. We already have a very good relationship with the Turks.
e.g. http://www.military-today.com/artillery/jobaria.htm

Naval Platform - You mentioned earlier, what did you have in mind?

 

[Falcon26]

One thing of interest is the sudden surge of UK interest in Pakistan with their FM being in Pakistan pleading to increase trade saying things like need for deeper penetration into each others economies and how "we can do so much better" than 2.7bln pounds. Couple that with Theresa May's desire to visit Pakistan in first 6 months and the fact that their economy has suffered greatly from brexit, i think you will see a great relaxation in the defense trade early on. You will likely get no opposition from UK regarding Vixen/Ravem radar, freeing up selex to make the deal.

You may further get access to EJ200 which would be a boon for JF-17 in terms of power, weight reduction, fuel consumption, and increased fuel capacity due to smaller size, giving the JF-17more power, less weight and longer range with a better overhaul time. Cost is more but you get nearly twice the life of the engine with EJ200 vs RD93. In other words, one engine costs nearly 2x more, but it has nearly twice the lifespan (evening out the cost of the engines over time).

PN could theoretically get access to CAMM as well which would be huge for them.

Interesting things to come i think.

With PAF commiting to the RD93 and MRO facilities being setup, it's hard to imagine Pakistan going for the EJ200. It's an excellent choice alongside the Italian AESA radars, but your country is satisfied simply with "good enough"

 

[Khafee]

PNS is just sitting on many great ideas... to be honest quite a creat force of the Three Pak Services. I am thinking of joint development of multirole platform based on Turkish/Chinese frigates/destroyers and of course the subsurface fleet. In your shallow waters there are only Iranian subs. Time to change that...

Instead of green fields approach build upon what already is available and the sub systems can be bought from Euro zone. They will sell any/everything... money is very tight these days here.

It depends on your doctorine.

Over to you!

Why don't you open a separate thread, and elaborate on the above, sounds interesting.

im just saying it as a fact not to offend you. i thought the uae's economy was based of having an offshore tax havens for the rich coupled with tourism and oil as a booster. i do know the government over there is pushing for more of an industrail based bussineses over there. personally theres one market thats being overlooked too much. and thats space.
tell that to your rulers.

nowadays defense is the number one thing but then you become reliant on conflict to keep selling weapons, but space.... there plenty of applications out there for weather and disaster reliefe to communications as a whole. observation of earth and the solar system and beyond. heck one day you can send an arab astronaunt to space on an arab rocket.

Good morning Rip van Winkle

http://www.space.gov.ae/
http://www.space.gov.ae/mohammed-bin-rashid-space-centre-mbrsc
http://www.thenational.ae/business/economy/uae-space-programme-all-you-need-to-know