VIEW : Siachen: a costly war for Pakistan and India

[prabhakar]

same goes for Kashmir too in that valley u have 7 lakh army just to oppress innocent ppl just because they r Muslims they share cultural,moral, religious and language values with a Muslim Country n when Pakistan rightfully helps them to do that with same logic that u claim to have done in East Pakistan then that doesnt go down with yr Logic.

more muslims get killed in pakistan than any other part of the world.. how about the shia's killing in pakistan ?.... so don't give us this religious BS.

 

[ejaz007]

Our labs have been successfully innovating high altitude gizmos which has made the life of our soldiers less stressful . There are plenty of threads here on high altitude innovations and solutions.

The losses ..monetary and human has been brought to nil. So we can afford to stay atop for our own interest until adversary agrees to mark the positions.

How can you bring monetory losses to nil? Care to explain.

Indian both human losses and monetory expenditure is greater than Pakistan.

 

[illusion8]

How can you bring monetory losses to nil? Care to explain.

Indian both human losses and monetory expenditure is greater than Pakistan.

I don't get why Pakistan is even worrying about India's expenditure in the first place, they have a problem with maintaining their position then they are welcome to leave - India's not asking them to stay or leave in the first place. Kayani and group can very well go and try these tactics on someone else who has some degree of belief on their false concerns Indians don't fall for these lame tactics.

 

[karan.1970]

How can you bring monetory losses to nil? Care to explain.

Indian both human losses and monetory expenditure is greater than Pakistan.

Any data around that.. Specifically for last 5-6 years that showcase ur assertion on this?

 

[ejaz007]

I don't get why Pakistan is even worrying about India's expenditure in the first place, they have a problem with maintaining their position then they are welcome to leave - India's not asking them to stay or leave in the first place. Kayani and group can very well go and try these tactics on someone else who has some degree of belief on their false concerns Indians don't fall for these lame tactics.

We do not care about your expenses. You can spend your entire budget on siachin if you wish but do not make stupid statements. Claims made by Indian members can not be justified.

 

[illusion8]

We do not care about your expenses. You can spend your entire budget on siachin if you wish but do not make stupid statements. Claims made by Indian members can not be justified.

The stupidity is evident when you expect us to evacuate our positions because you have a problem maintaining yours, the stupidity is even more glaring when you start thinking that we will be falling for your pathetic reasoning.

 

[ejaz007]

Any data around that.. Specifically for last 5-6 years that showcase ur assertion on this?

Here is the link. It is bit old but thought should share a source that is neither Indian nor Pakistani:

Siachen Glacier / Operation Meghdoot

Since 2003 there is a truce in affect therefore most of the deaths have been because of weather.

 

[illusion8]

Here is the link. It is bit old but thought should share a source that is neither Indian nor Pakistani:

Siachen Glacier / Operation Meghdoot

Since 2003 there is a truce in affect therefore most of the deaths have been because of weather.

Where's the data for the last 10 years in that link? the only data of costs and men is till 1997.

 

[Bang Galore]

How can you bring monetory losses to nil? Care to explain.

Indian both human losses and monetory expenditure is greater than Pakistan.

846 Indian soldiers have died in Siachen since 1984

For the first time ever, the government has announced the number of Indian soldiers who have laid down their lives in the Siachen sector, ever since the Indian army made its first headlong rush to secure that strategic area in the summer of 1984.

Defence Minister A K Antony, in a written reply to a question in the Lok Sabha, on Monday stated, "A total of 846 armed forces personnel have made supreme sacrifices on the Siachen glaciers since 1984."

This includes deaths due to the extreme climate and terrain conditions, which causes more casualties in that sector than battle. Hypoxia, high altitude pulmonary edema (or "altitude sickness" in mountaineering lexicon), avalanches and crevasses have taken a heavy toll on Indian lives.

Early in this high-altitude war, New Delhi decided not to differentiate between those who died in combat and those who were swept to their deaths in an avalanche.

"(Environment-related) death during the course of duty on Siachen glaciers is treated as a 'battle casualty' and enhanced compensation is paid to the next of the kin," Antony told the Lok Sabha on Monday.

846 Indian soldiers have died in Siachen since 1984 - Rediff.com News

 

[illusion8]

846 Indian soldiers have died in Siachen since 1984

For the first time ever, the government has announced the number of Indian soldiers who have laid down their lives in the Siachen sector, ever since the Indian army made its first headlong rush to secure that strategic area in the summer of 1984.

Defence Minister A K Antony, in a written reply to a question in the Lok Sabha, on Monday stated, "A total of 846 armed forces personnel have made supreme sacrifices on the Siachen glaciers since 1984."

This includes deaths due to the extreme climate and terrain conditions, which causes more casualties in that sector than battle. Hypoxia, high altitude pulmonary edema (or "altitude sickness" in mountaineering lexicon), avalanches and crevasses have taken a heavy toll on Indian lives.

Early in this high-altitude war, New Delhi decided not to differentiate between those who died in combat and those who were swept to their deaths in an avalanche.

"(Environment-related) death during the course of duty on Siachen glaciers is treated as a 'battle casualty' and enhanced compensation is paid to the next of the kin," Antony told the Lok Sabha on Monday.

846 Indian soldiers have died in Siachen since 1984 - Rediff.com News

Pakistani sources claim till date 3000 Pakistani soldiers succumbed due to Siachen.

one Pakistani soldier is killed every third day on the Siachen Glacier, showing approximately 100 casualties every year on an average. According to unofficial figures, over 3,000 Pakistani soldiers have lost their lives on the bloody Siachen Glacier between April 1984 and April 2012
http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-13-13803-Over-8000-Indo-Pak-soldiers-killed-in-Siachen

 

[ice_man]

Pakistan's Misadventure in Sia-chin

Further attempts to reclaim positions were launched by Pakistan in 1987, 1990, 1995, 1996 and even in early 1999, just prior to the Lahore Summit. The 1995 attack by Pakistan SSG was significant as it resulted in 40 casualties for Pakistan troops without any changes in the positions.

Every time pakistani sent there SSG, Everytime our RR (Ordinary soldiers killed them)..


See what Musshy (***** ) did ...
" in 1987, when an attempt was made by Pakistan to dislodge India from the area. The attack was masterminded by Pervez Musharraf (later President of Pakistan) heading a newly raised elite SSG commando unit raised with United States Special Operations Forces help in the area."

Some more Facts:

"One of the factors behind the Kargil War in 1999 when Pakistan sent infiltrators to occupy vacated Indian posts across the Line of Control was their belief that India would be forced to withdraw from Siachen in exchange of a Pakistani withdrawal from Kargil. Both sides had previously desired to disengage from the costly military outposts but after the Kargil War, India decided to maintain its military outposts on the glacier, wary of further Pakistani incursions into Kashmir if they vacate from the Siachen Glacier posts without an official recognition from Pakistan of the current positions."

how is kargil & siachen different to each other. without trolling if someone can shed light it would be really good.

 

[ice_man]

Why does Pakistan claim Siachen and on what logic? Is India killing, raping and torturing poor innocent peaceful native Muslims of Siachen? Did king of Siachen signed accession of Siachen to Pakistan? or Did people of Siachen rose up against India to join Pakistan? Do they want to conduct plebiscite in Siachen? Last I heard, the only human beings there were the soldiers.

why does india claim siachen on what logic???

 

[SamantK]

why does india claim siachen on what logic???

We got there first

Enough for you, no go buy a lollipop :p

 

[karan.1970]

why does india claim siachen on what logic???

Its under Indian Flag.. Reason enough.. Possession is 90% ownership ..

 

[third eye]

why does india claim siachen on what logic???

Simple.

Its a part of J&K which ceded to India.

The same logic by which India has J&K.