VIEW: Fantasies about Pak-China friendship —Azizullah Khan

[Asian.Century]

No matter what, some countries were, are and will remain 'Jealous' and 'Disappointed' by growing China-Pakistan as Strategic Partner Powers.

They will leave no stone unturn to break this alliance.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

No matter what, some countries were, are and will remain 'Jealous' and 'Disappointed' by growing China-Pakistan as Strategic Partner Powers.

They will leave no stone unturn to break this alliance.

And their efforts will continue to backfire.

 

[Asian.Century]

For Pakistanis it doesnot matter whether China wants to have its all interests fullfilled, we donot hold China negative even if it tries to act just for its own interests.


It even doesnot matter China doesnot come directly in a War imposed on Pakistan(although Chinese help is welcomed), but Pakistan is strong enough to defend itself successfully, such is the nature of China-Pakistan Friendship, Iron Brothers!

Try to use Divide and Rule as much as possible.


Not trying to belittle America-Pakistan Alliance too, but it has heavily tilted towards USA's own interests discarding Pakistani interests, and infact acting as an enemy to most Pakistanis.

 

[gubbi]

And when was the last time Russia attacked China for India during need of hour?

this is silliest thing to say that real help is when China will physically engage in a war for Pakistan. China has done alot and we have NO reason to cut decrease level of our relations with China.

India was never under the illusion that Russia would come to help India during the time of war. There was no pact, no understanding of any sorts. Oh, btw, FYI, Russia did send in a nuclear submarine to trail the US CBG in the Arabian sea during the '71 war. That was without asking for any sort of help.

There is a maturity in India's relations with other nations that is utterly wanting with Pakistan's dealings.

I have never mentioned China coming to help Pakistan during war time. That is very foolish assumption on your part. What I have clearly mentioned is that China has done nothing, even while wielding the VETO power in UNSC, to actually 'help' Pakistan during any crisis. And yet, Pakistani authorities are caught up in delusions of eternal friendship with China!

Show us any instance where China has actually helped Pakistan, even a fraction of what US, India or other nations you routinely accuse of conspiring against Pakistan, actually do.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

What I have clearly mentioned is that China has done nothing, even while wielding the VETO power in UNSC, to actually 'help' Pakistan during any crisis. And yet, Pakistani authorities are caught up in delusions of eternal friendship with China!

Actually, China's very first use of the veto power in the UNSC, was done on behalf of Pakistan.

You can check it out yourself.

 

[gubbi]

Actually, China's very first use of the veto power in the UNSC, was done on behalf of Pakistan.

The one which they backtracked from a mere two years later?

This form wiki:
After the Republic of China's expulsion from the United Nations in 1971, the first veto cast by the present occupant, the People's Republic of China, was issued in 25 August 1972 over Bangladesh's admission to the United Nations. As of December 2008, the People's Republic of China has used its veto six times; observers have noted a preference for China to abstain rather than veto on resolutions not directly related to Chinese interests.[10]

There. China objected to BD's membership of UN. How is that in support of Pakistan?

This, a very interesting take on Beijing's VETO decisions:

In practice, however, the Chinese have become more pragmatic and have often subjected their principles to their interests. In retrospect, they probably felt uncomfortable when they realized that it was because of their veto—the only one among the permanent Security Council members on Draft Resolution S/10771, and one that represented Pakistan's interests rather than its own—that Bangladesh was not admitted to the United Nations. This recognition was reflected two years later when Bangladesh was admitted without any Chinese opposition. Since then the Chinese have been reluctant to use their veto power, opting instead for abstention and non-participation in votes. In this way—typical of Beijing's behavior in the UN as well as reflecting its cultural legacies—the Chinese are able to send a message and yet avoid the necessity of taking sides and alienating allies.

China realized that the VETO they exercised to obstruct BD's entry in UN was counterproductive and refused to obstruct it again a mere two years later. So much for "all weather friendship"!!!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

There. China objected to BD's membership of UN. How is that in support of Pakistan?

Umm... you do realize they had a civil war back then right? Even your own source tells you the answer.

And you're right, China rarely uses the veto.

Unfortunately for India, in order to change the UN charter, and get a permanent seat in the Security council, they need unanimous support from all the P5 members. Veto is not needed.

 

[ChinaToday]

our relation with pakistan is higher than moutain deeper than ocean and stronger than TATA steel

 

[gubbi]

Umm... you do realize they had a civil war back then right? Even your own source tells you the answer.

The point was: China looks after its own interests. Pakistan is just another stepping stone in its quest for natural resources to fuel its manufacturing industry. And to keep tensions simmering with India which China considers its rival and an obstacle to being No.1 in Asia. Period.

All this talk of friendship and what not is just malarkey. Pakistanis are being taken for a ride, a royal one at that - Chinese style! China is taking undue advantage of Pakistanis' reaction of being in denial everytime events shatter their perception of 'truth', giving them an excuse for their ills.

Poor people!

Unfortunately for India, in order to change the UN charter, and get a permanent seat in the Security council, they need unanimous support from all the P5 members. Veto is not needed.

Totally irrelevant to the topic.

 

[ChinaToday]

The point was: China looks after its own interests. Pakistan is just another stepping stone in its quest for natural resources to fuel its manufacturing industry. And to keep tensions simmering with India which China considers its rival and an obstacle to being No.1 in Asia. Period.

All this talk of friendship and what not is just malarkey. Pakistanis are being taken for a ride, a royal one at that - Chinese style! China is taking undue advantage of Pakistanis' reaction of being in denial everytime events shatter their perception of 'truth', giving them an excuse for their ills.

Poor people!

Totally irrelevant to the topic.

the point is we dont need indians to tell us who we see as friends and who we see as enermies, non of your business who we choose to be friends or not, is it that hard for you to understand?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The point was: China looks after its own interests.

Of course, that is the nature of geopolitics. Didn't you read my first post in the thread (post #2)?

All this talk of friendship and what not is just malarkey. Pakistanis are being taken for a ride, a royal one at that - Chinese style! China is taking undue advantage of Pakistanis' reaction of being in denial everytime events shatter their perception of 'truth', giving them an excuse for their ills.

Poor people!

I'm sure you only have their best interests at heart.

Unforunately for you, the poll data shows that Pakistanis see India and the US as their main threats. I'm sure you'll convince them one day though.

 

[Spring Onion]

And what makes you not to believe that China is working with Pakistan to counter India?

We should do everything to make this endeavor of China come to true.

 

[Guest01]

It is cheaper for China to engage India via Pakistan. that is s much a truth as US found it cheape to engage USSR via Pakistan. After the party is over, everybody gets up and just leaves. The same will happen in this case too. The only loser will be Pakistan. Looking at the benefits that they can get:

1. It is a deterrent against an Indian attack or war that just does not seem to happen.
2. The Kashmir card is withering away due to the increased extremism bearing fruits within Pakistan itself.
3. Army whose favourite tag line for their political and social dominance in Pakistan used to be Kashmir is actually so stuck up with its prodigal sons that Kashmir does not even seem to be on its mental horizon. Now these Tahrir links are keeping them quite busy.
4. In the course of this strange parity seeking, the economy is down in the drains, so much so that if international bodies do not lend money then Pakistan will truly eat grass "ZA Bhutto, 1973".
5. China gets to sell arms on credit + also continue to maintain the trade imbalance so free ride in the short term.
6. Geo-Strategic position means that Iran is not a friend of Pakistan, the Arab brothers are funding Taliban, Afghanistan which used to be the whipping boy of Pakistani Army is getting back at it, US is losing patience with the aid and the friendly strategic assets being protected and on top, the political circus continues on lines of protecting the extremists or going after them.

Truly Pakistan is the only selfless state in the world. It likes to damage itself endlessly in the course of various friendships that it chooses. It is never a Vassal state though.

 

[Guest01]

We should do everything to make this endeavor of China come to true.

First it was CEATO and CENTO endeavours, then it was the Afghan war of Zia endeavour, then it was the Taliban endeavour and now China endeavour. Let's just hold our breath.

 

[gubbi]

I'm sure you only have their best interests at heart.

Actually we do. You see a stable Pakistan is in India's interests and it affects the security situation in the whole region.

Unforunately for you, the poll data shows that Pakistanis see India and the US as their main threats. I'm sure you'll convince them one day though.

Denial and delusions. Misinformed population.