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Vietnam’s economic miracle: insights for Pakistan

Well....couple of counterpoints.

1. You may be partially right about the Philippines being not as industrialized than Vietnam, but their industrialization goes back a long way. They are very active in value-added assembly of electronics, high grade consumer products (SLR cameras and lenses for example), large shipbuilding sector and of course back-office business like Indians because of English skills.

2. Malaysia and Thailand got to being industrialized way before Vietnam did. Their backward integration in industrialization and also, dependence of internal consumer economy for growth is very high, they are at that next stage already and as a result have what is called a stagnancy in middle income growth. There are industrial park and metro rail development companies in Thailand that Bangladesh is currently cooperating with and Thai industrial parks are some of the most picturesque and well-designed industrial parks, exceeding US and EU standards in some cases. Ditto for Malaysia. There is no doubt that Thailand and Malaysia is no less industrialized than Vietnam, probably more. Growth has though slowed a little right now.

3. Industry from wealthier and better-developed economies in Asia and ASEAN (for example Korea, China, Japan and Taiwan) will always gravitate to lowest cost labor destinations in the region for value addition (assembly mostly) to save cost and offer a competitively priced and profitable product. This includes stitching of apparel, shoes and assembly of cellphones like Vietnam is doing right now.

4. The final point is, Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia have become high labor cost places for industrial assembly (Indonesia cost is a bit lower than the other two) - while Vietnam and Bangladesh both still claim low cost labor. I'd argue that Bangladesh labor costs are about half that of Vietnam for apparel and shoes, but the sunk FDI in Vietnam already means production will still take a while to get to Bangladesh. Bangladesh and Vietnam are vying nose-to-nose for top apparel exports to US right now. Last year it was Vietnam, this year we took back top spot again. When labor cost goes high in Vietnam, it will be in Thailand and Malaysia situation too.

There is no "we are the best" situation here - things can change in less than a year's time sourcing wise. The point is how long can you let foreigners exploit your low labor cost (lowest common denominator) until you offer skills and educated expertise which trumps that of EU and US and foreigners pay for that instead of dumb (and dumber) low cost labor?

That should be the ongoing thought for the future, not competing for lowest cost among ourselves as Asians, exploiting poor people and driving down labor costs for poor people lower, lower and lower - just so EU and US folks can have cheap clothes, cellphones and shoes.
Vietnam's infrastructure is not good. Vietnam is labor-intensive industry export driven economy.

Vietnam's economy has low glass ceiling due to 2 factors:
  1. Vietnam Investment accounted for 26.7 % of its Nominal GDP. Not good enough.
  2. Vietnam is aging

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Vietnam's infrastructure is not good. Vietnam is labor-intensive industry export driven economy.

Vietnam's economy has low glass ceiling due to 2 factors:
  1. Vietnam Investment accounted for 26.7 % of its Nominal GDP. Not good enough.
  2. Vietnam is aging

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Well yes - you are correct that too much share of FDI from foreign countries as related to Nominal GDP is not a good thing. Local business folks must invest in their own country. However I cannot say the situation is way better in Bangladesh - it may only be marginally better. I don't know if demographic dividend will work better in Bangladesh compared to Vietnam.



FDI in Bangladesh is hardly more than 1% of GDP - but local investments by business investors make up for it by far. This is not out of the ordinary for countries in Asia other than China or Vietnam. Asian countries generally attracted the least amount of FDI, accounting for less than 1% on average, while the more advanced developing countries welcomed the main share...


This has traditionally been an issue in Bangladesh and lately the govt. has started promoting investments very aggressively with investments fairs either annually or bi-annually. there was one in 2021 as well.


Govt. is assuring full support on this,


All told, Bangladesh managed to attract investments worth $21 Billion since COVID 19 started.


Bangladesh offers a range of attractive incentives to potential investors including 10-year tax holidays, duty-free import of capital goods, raw materials and building materials, exemptions on income tax on salaries paid to foreign nationals for three years and dividend tax exemptions for the period of the tax holiday.

All goods produced in the Bangladesh export processing zones (SEZ) are able to be exported duty-free, in addition to which Bangladesh benefits from the Generalized System of Preferences (GSP) for certain exports in US, European and Japanese markets and is also endowed with Most Favoured Nation (MFN) status from the United States.

Furthermore, Bangladesh imposes no ceiling on investments in the EPZs/SEZs and allows full repatriation of profits.

The formation of labor unions within the EPZs is prohibited as are strikes.[119]


The reason I mentioned all these steps is that Pakistani economy has complementary capabilities compared to Bangladesh economy (they don't produce the same things sometimes as we do) and they can use the same steps as we did to attract FDI and shore up their economy.

One side note is that Pakistan has far better demographic dividend situation, rate of fertility for women is now much higher than Bangladesh.

Bangladesh population growth is even slightly lower than India and certainly similar compared to many ASEAN countries, which is below replacement rate, at roughly 2.1 child per woman.
 
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Secret to East Asian economic miracle : Eat Bitter and Work Endurance.

China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, they all share the same philosophy.
 
Well yes - you are correct that too much share of FDI from foreign countries as related to Nominal GDP is not a good thing. Local business folks must invest in their own country. However I cannot say the situation is way better in Bangladesh - it may only be marginally better. I don't know if demographic dividend will work better in Bangladesh compared to Vietnam.



FDI in Bangladesh is hardly more than 1% of GDP - but local investments by business investors make up for it by far. This is not out of the ordinary for countries in Asia other than China or Vietnam. Asian countries generally attracted the least amount of FDI, accounting for less than 1% on average, while the more advanced developing countries welcomed the main share...


This has traditionally been an issue in Bangladesh and lately the govt. has started promoting investments very aggressively with investments fairs either annually or bi-annually. there was one in 2021 as well.


Govt. is assuring full support on this,


All told, Bangladesh managed to attract investments worth $21 Billion since COVID 19 started.


Bangladesh offers a range of attractive incentives to potential investors including 10-year tax holidays, duty-free import of capital goods, raw materials and building materials, exemptions on income tax on salaries paid to foreign nationals for three years and dividend tax exemptions for the period of the tax holiday.

All goods produced in the Bangladesh export processing zones (SEZ) are able to be exported duty-free, in addition to which Bangladesh benefits from the Generalized System of Preferences (GSP) for certain exports in US, European and Japanese markets and is also endowed with Most Favoured Nation (MFN) status from the United States.

Furthermore, Bangladesh imposes no ceiling on investments in the EPZs/SEZs and allows full repatriation of profits.

The formation of labor unions within the EPZs is prohibited as are strikes.[119]


The reason I mentioned all these steps is that Pakistani economy has complementary capabilities compared to Bangladesh economy (they don't produce the same things sometimes as we do) and they can use the same steps as we did to attract FDI and shore up their economy.

One side note is that Pakistan has far better demographic dividend situation, rate of fertility for women is now much higher than Bangladesh.

Bangladesh population growth is even slightly lower than India and certainly similar compared to many ASEAN countries, which is below replacement rate, at roughly 2.1 child per woman.
The investments rate and saving rate are interlinked. FDI is good only when it's managed properly.
Brazil and Argentina had pretty good economy in early days until FDI flow out. When IMF got involved, you know something bad going to happen.

Investment should mainly come from domestic, either private or government. The money come from saving account. Both China, South Korea, and Taiwan of China has high saving rate.

Spend less, save for investment is the key to their success.

FDI is a supplement, like vitamin. The main course is rice, it should come from domestic saving account.
China can't build world-class infrastructure without huge domestic saving.

Saving rate:
Singapore (53.8%)
China (44.9%)
Japan 43.2%

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North Vietnamese are different from South Vietnamese. North Vietnamese are like East Asians and South Vietnamese are like Indians.
That proves you know nothing about Vietnam. North Viets and South Viets are of the same biological stock.
I know brother. Food is different too. North Vietnamese cuisine is very different from South Vietnamese cuisine.
Ok if so can you tell what’s the difference between pho soup in Hanoi and Saigon?
Don’t believe too much in chinese nonsense they will tell you about great differences between roasted duck in Peking und Shanghai.
 
As a vietnamese, there are indeed some differences in cuisines between northerners and southerners, the middle vietnamese are different too.

Kinda like northern chinese are different than southern chinese, Beijing roasted duck is different than Guangdong roasted duck.
 
As a vietnamese, there are indeed some differences in cuisines between northerners and southerners, the middle vietnamese are different too.

Kinda like northern chinese are different than southern chinese, Beijing roasted duck is different than Guangdong roasted duck.

Well food traditions spread rapidly nowdays - things are not like a hundred years ago anymore, people move around with great speed now.

In the matter of a day you can get to Vietnam from the US, halfway around the world. Forget any differences between North and South Vietnam. There is nothing called distance barriers now.

Dhaka has Korean Bulgogi restaurants on every corner - unthinkable even twenty years ago. In Dhaka even teen agers know the difference between Szechwan, Cantonese and Mandarin cuisine.

I have been eating at Vietnamese restaurants for half my life now. Phở (pronounced "Faa") has regional variations.

One time many moons ago the sister of a friend of mine cooked Bo-Kho (Vietnamese Braised Beef Stew) and I just fell in love right there. Wow!

This is so close to Pakistani and Bangladeshi spicy beef curry dishes its uncanny. Maybe there was foreign (Pakistani) influence ? Who knows...


Love it!

Sorry for the off-topic segway...

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I heard from some government officials who know China-Vietnam relations
The Vietnamese government directly imports and translates Chinese government documents on economic measures and policies every year
Change the subject directly from China to Vietnam and use it directly
 
I heard from some government officials who know China-Vietnam relations
The Vietnamese government directly imports and translates Chinese government documents on economic measures and policies every year
Change the subject directly from China to Vietnam and use it directly
We trial and error, and the Vietnamese copy our answer directly.
 
Vietnam’s economic miracle: insights for Pakistan
Muhammad Abdul Kamal Published January 17, 2022 - Updated about an hour ago

Pakistan’s economy has been plagued by serious macroeconomic issues for some time now. However, it is not too late to resuscitate, as many of the region’s best-performing nations started at a low point and were able to embark on a path of sustainable economic growth after enacting the necessary reforms. The economy of Vietnam is one such success tale.
Vietnam’s economy was crippled by poverty, and per capita income was stuck between $200 and $300 by the mid-1980s. Vietnam’s transformation from a poverty-stricken economy to one of prosperity commenced in 1986 when the government launched “Ði Mi”, a series of political and economic reforms aimed at strengthening the private sector’s role and opening the country to foreign investors.
Under this initiative, Vietnam’s GDP per capita increased 12 times between 1985 and 2020, reaching over US$2,800. Over the same period, poverty rates (US$1.90/day) fell sharply from over 70 per cent to under 2pc.

The rise of Vietnam’s economy can be attributed to three main initiatives according to World Bank; firstly, it has enthusiastically incorporated trade liberalisation. The signing of many free trade agreements (FTA) with both Asian and Western countries signalled the gradual liberalisation of trade. Vietnam has concluded bilateral trade agreements with 72 countries and it also built trade relationships with 165 nations.
In 1995, Vietnam signed the Association of Southeast Asian Nations free trade agreement. In 2000, it executed an FTA with the United States, and in 2007, it joined the World Trade Organisation. In the recent decade, Vietnam has agreed or structured 12 bilateral and multilateral FTAs with Japan, South Korea and the European Union. On November 15, 2020, the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership was established and Vietnam is an active member of the pact. The regional integration is expected to cover 30pc of the world’s population, generate $500 billion in international trade, and yield $209bn to global revenues by 2030.
Vietnam has benefited from the “open-door” policy, and the country has developed into a manufacturing hub over the previous three decades, with significant foreign businesses such as Intel, Samsung, Adidas and Nike already having established bases there. With one out of every ten cellphones produced in Vietnam, the country has already established itself as a significant exporter of textiles, electronic goods, and footwear, among other goods.
Secondly, Vietnam has supplemented external liberalisation with internal reforms such as deregulation and decreased business costs. In 2007, Vietnam was placed 104th in the Doing Business index, with several major constraints identified by the study. The government has nibbled away at the inefficiencies using the indicators as a guide, and Vietnam has risen to 70th place in the 2020 Doing Business survey.
Vietnam achieved improvement in a variety of areas, including contract enforcement, improving access to credit and electricity, paying taxes, and cross-border trade. Vietnam’s placement on the World Economic Forum’s Competitiveness Index reflects this transformation, climbing from 77th place in 2006 to 67th place in 2019.
In the Global Innovation Index 2021, Vietnam was ranked 44th out of 132 countries and is one of four middle-income economies (the others being Turkey, India and the Philippines) having the potential to reshape the global innovation landscape by catching up to larger economies like China.
Thirdly, Vietnam has made enormous investments in human and social capital, leading to the development of a skilled workforce, which has enhanced productivity and competitiveness over time. The Human Development Index for Vietnam increased to 0.706 in 2020, up from 0.682 in 2016, leading it to join the group of countries with a high degree of human development.
Pakistan can achieve its goal of sustainable economic growth by following Vietnam’s model. Pakistan must concentrate on growth-oriented reforms and sound policymaking to achieve this goal. Following in the footsteps of Vietnam, Pakistan should liberalise trade and sign free-trade agreements with potential trading partners. Incremental efforts are required to stabilise the country’s entire social, economic, and political environment so that much-needed foreign direct investment not only be attracted but in desired sectors such as manufacturing and agriculture.
Furthermore, improvements in the export sector must be accomplished by enhancing domestic industrial production and productivity. To make the labour force more productive, it is essential to invest in human capital. Pakistan must strive to improve its knowledge capital, which will be a major driver of productivity, diversification, higher innovation, and thus higher growth in the future.
The writer is working as Assistant Professor at Abdul Wali Khan University Mardan. kamal@awkum.edu.pk
Published in Dawn, The Business and Finance Weekly, January 17th, 2022
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Prices of petrol are higher in vietname then pakistan
I dont see how this is a miracle
 
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