Vietnamese conquest of Muslim/Hindu Cham and their current situation

[NiceGuy]

Vietnam virtually wiped Indic culture in Champa off the map, actually many Vietnamese are proud of the genocide their ancestors did on the Cham. The Vietnamese Emperors who wiped Champa off the map are hailed as heroes. They acknowledged that Indian culture had influence on Champa and that they crushed the Cham.

And any problem when we did that ?? they attacked us, they fought back and destroyed them, that's history, nothing special

Now Kinh people and Cham people live in peace, happy ending.

 

[INDIC]

Vietnam virtually wiped Indic culture in Champa off the map, actually many Vietnamese are proud of the genocide their ancestors did on the Cham. The Vietnamese Emperors who wiped Champa off the map are hailed as heroes. They acknowledged that Indian culture had influence on Champa and that they crushed the Cham.

I don't think it has anything to do with Hinduism, it seems more like an ethnic strife between Chams and Viets.

What about the persecution of Miao people during Ming and Qing dynasties?

 

[Wholegrain]

I don't think it has anything to do with Hinduism, it seems more like an ethnic strife between Chams and Viets.

What about the persecution of Miao people during Ming and Qing dynasties?

Do you know how many ethnic groups in China fought in those campaigns? The Mongols, Hui, Buddhist Uyghurs from Turpan all fought against the Miao, and during the Qing Manchu Bannermen fought against the Miao. People's attempts to pin persecution of Miao on Han racism failed miserably.

And any problem when we did that ?? they attacked us, they fought back and destroyed them, that's history, nothing special

Now Kinh people and Cham people live in peace, happy ending.

Cool story, now lets return to the real world.

http://www.chamtoday.com/index.php/news-tin-t-c/100-mission-to-vietnam-advocacy-day

Mission to Vietnam Advocacy Day (Vietnamese-American Meet up 2013) in the U.S. Capitol. A UPR report By IOC-Campa.
Written by Khaleelah Porome

Khaleelah Porome
The IOC, is an organization that promotes the preservation of the Kingdom of Champa’s history and culture. The Champa people are an indigenous group of people that have existed in Vietnam since the 7th century. It remained in its glory days until its fall in the 10th century to its northern neighbor, Dai Viet (present day Vietnam). In 1653, Champa became a vassal state of the Nguyen until, in 1832,

Emperor Minh Menh annexed its remaining territories. This caused the erasure of the Kingdom of Champa from the map. Today all that remains of the Kingdom of Champa are it’s archaeological sites and the survivors of Emperor Minh Menh’s ethnic cleansing policies. After 1975, when Saigon fell to the communist government of North Vietnam, the Cham lost their farms, land and properties, because they were confiscated by the government. They have been prohibited to worship and practice their religions. Practicing Hindu Cham had several ancient temples that were used for worship, confiscated and converted into tourist destinations by the Vietnamese government for their own financial benefit, violating the Cham Hindu beliefs.

About 130,000 Cham people in Vietnam currently exist in Binh Thuan and Ninh Thuan provinces (central Vietnam); Chau Doc, Ho Chi Minh City, and Tay Ninh (Southern Vietnam). The rest have fled seeking refuge in the U.S., Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, and across Europe.

The Cham people are currently recognized by the Vietnamese government as minority group, even though they are indeed and in fact, indigenous. They meet all requirements by the UN standards and criteria, to be considered indigenous, however the Vietnamese government refuses to acknowledge this.

Recent human rights violations by the Vietnamese government against the Cham people:

In 2012, the local police used their power to bust into a local Mosque and took away a generator that provided electricity to over 40 families in the village of Chau Giang, and not long after that they came and kidnapped young village girls at their discretion to rape and sexually abuse them, eventually releasing them.

On 2009, a farm land owned by 13 Cham families From Vân Lâm villages was confiscated, when they tried to stand up for their ownership, they were apprehended by the police and discarded in an undisclosed remote location in the jungle.

In 2010, two young Cham college students from Thành Tín village are on vacation took a walk from their village to the city being stop and beat up to death.

In March 2013, a poor Cham college student Thành Xuân Thịnh from Phươc Nhơn village took out a loan for school, upon graduation he was unable to get a job and sought the help of staffing agency to place him in a position, so he could pay back his student loans. The agency had promised to staff him within weeks. After a few months, he was still unemployed, and when he approached the agency about a refund, they set him on fire, and he burned to death.

Cham people who have escaped Vietnam and have become U.S. citizens, have tried to return to their native land, of Vietnam to visit family and friends. Each time they return to Vietnam they are discriminated against, harassed, and even imprisoned. Mr. Nguyen V. Xung, an exchange student to Saudi Arabia in 1973 went back to Vietnam to visit his aging mother, was kept in the hotel overnight then was eventually deported out a day after that. Mr. Musa Porome, went to Vietnam in 1989 was kept at a hotel for 5 days while being interrogated by police agents and was eventually deported out of the country. Mr. Qasim Tu went to Vietnam in 2004, and was harassed and subjected to intimidation by Vietnamese secret agent over several days, and unable to visit his family. When Mrs. Man Jone tried to visit she was arrested and imprisoned under the accusations that she was trying to introduce a new religion to the community.

The Vietnamese government is currently building a nuclear power plant in a Cham village, with old and used technology from old North Korean power plants. Many people have fought against it, including Vietnamese politicians and scientists, citing the long term adverse affects it would have on the local villages and eventually extended further into the major cities of Vietnam. People that have spoken out publicly or post anything on social media sites, are immediately approached by and harassed by the Vietnam government. A prime example is when Mr. Musa Porome wrote a letter questioning the reasoning for the development of the nuclear power plant in a currently populated area, and speaking out about it. The government immediately fired back by threatening and intimidating him and his remaining family that still resides in Vietnam. They later tried to retract the statement, when he did not back down. But, he was unable to go back to Vietnam back in November 2012, for fear that they would do something to him if he went to visit.

There are ancient Cham towers that still remain in these indigenous areas. These towers are currently being funded by UNESCO for up keep and maintenance to benefit the tourism industry. These towers are highly visited by tourist all over the world. The profit received does not benefit any of the Cham people, nor the villages in which the towers exist. It is a direct violation of the terms of agreement for the UNESCO funding.

These are just a few of the incidences against the Cham people, that have recently been relayed and documented. Many go undocumented because most people are in fear of their lives and their families lives if they speak out and protest the wrongful actions of the government.

 

[INDIC]

Do you know how many ethnic groups in China fought in those campaigns? The Mongols, Hui, Buddhist Uyghurs from Turpan all fought against the Miao, and during the Qing Manchu Bannermen fought against the Miao. People's attempts to pin persecution of Miao on Han racism failed miserably.

You are talking about Ming period which included widespread persecution of Miao after their defeat. What about the Qing period which saw three great Miao revolt. The last Miao revolt is just 150 years old.

 

[Wholegrain]

You are talking about Ming period which included widespread persecution of Miao after their defeat. What about the Qing period which saw three great Miao revolt. The last Miao revolt is just 150 years old.

The revolts during the Qing were caused by population pressure and land squatting. The Qing sent Manchu bannermen to crush the rebellion along with Green Standard troops.

The Hmong are a Miao tribe which moved to Vietnam and Laos after the Qing rebellions. This is what Vietnam did to them.

UNPO: Report on the 20th session of the Working Group on Indigenous Populations (Second day - Afternoon)

Chang Yang, Hmong International Human Rights Watch
This is our fifth time to testify at WGIP. We ask for two things

1) Stop ethnic cleansing of Hmong in Laos.
2) Give access to refugees in Laos and Thailand.

The Hmong capitol has disappeared. When the Laos and Vietnamese community captured the Hmong, they would cut off the penis off and place in the mouth. For the women captured, they are raped and killed. All have sharp object shoved from the vagina to the chest cavity. For children captured, they have toes cut off and also head bashed on trees. Mr. Chair, this is a new century.

Vietnam is a member of the family of nations. We have picture of top Vietnamese General and his officers killed in 1998. They came to kill the Hmong people. I have pictures of the innocent people slaughtered by Vietnamese government. The people are coming to kill the Hmong people. The Hmong refugee that live in Laos and Thailand should be granted refugee status

 

[Wholegrain]

Cham people still hold strong animosity against Vietnam. Even after the Khmer Rouge regime, they still hate Vietnam more than the Khmer Rouge. The Cham officers in FULRO fought against both North and South Vietnam and the Khmer Rouge. Les Kosem battled Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge forces, he died in exile in Malaysia.

This Muslim Cham journalist from Cambodia, Hassan A Kasem, exposed Vietnam's machinations against Cambodia and debunked Vietnam's image as a liberator and savior from the Khmer Rouge. The entire International Office of Champa organization focuses on Vietnam's violations against Cham, Montagnard, and Khmer people in Vietnam, they don't want to carve a state out of Cambodia because they know they were forced there by Vietnam, they want their homeland back which is in modern day South Vietnam.

Vietnam's hidden hand in Cambodia's impasse

Asia Times Online :: Vietnam's hidden hand in Cambodia's impasse

IOC-Champa

Les Kosem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Rechoice]

The revolts during the Qing were caused by population pressure and land squatting. The Qing sent Manchu bannermen to crush the rebellion along with Green Standard troops.

The Hmong are a Miao tribe which moved to Vietnam and Laos after the Qing rebellions. This is what Vietnam did to them.

UNPO: Report on the 20th session of the Working Group on Indigenous Populations (Second day - Afternoon)

Hmong and Miao People have turn back to China and China have to give back their land.

Cham people still hold strong animosity against Vietnam. Even after the Khmer Rouge regime, they still hate Vietnam more than the Khmer Rouge. The Cham officers in FULRO fought against both North and South Vietnam and the Khmer Rouge. Les Kosem battled Vietnamese and Khmer Rouge forces, he died in exile in Malaysia.

This Muslim Cham journalist from Cambodia, Hassan A Kasem, exposed Vietnam's machinations against Cambodia and debunked Vietnam's image as a liberator and savior from the Khmer Rouge. The entire International Office of Champa organization focuses on Vietnam's violations against Cham, Montagnard, and Khmer people in Vietnam, they don't want to carve a state out of Cambodia because they know they were forced there by Vietnam, they want their homeland back which is in modern day South Vietnam.

Vietnam's hidden hand in Cambodia's impasse

Asia Times Online :: Vietnam's hidden hand in Cambodia's impasse

IOC-Champa

Les Kosem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tibetans, East Turkistans, Inner Mongolians, Manchurianshold still strong animosity again China.

Uighurs in China Say Bias Is Growing

KASHGAR, China — Job seekers looking for opportunities in this ancient oasis town in China’s far western Xinjiang region would seem to have ample options, based on a quick glance at a local help-wanted Web site. The Kashgar Cultural Center has an opening for an experienced dance choreographer, the prefectural Communist Party office is hiring a driver and nearby Shule County needs an archivist.


But these and dozens of other job openings share one caveat: ethnic Uighurs, the Muslim, Turkic-speaking people who make up nearly 90 percent of Kashgar’s population, need not apply. Roughly half of the 161 positions advertised on the Civil Servant Examination Information Web site indicate that only ethnic Han Chinese or native Mandarin speakers will be considered.

Such discrimination, common across the region, is one of the many indignities China’s 10 million Uighurs face in a society that increasingly casts them as untrustworthy and prone to religious extremism. Uighurs are largely frozen out of the region’s booming gas and oil industry, airport jobs are mostly reserved for Han applicants, and truck drivers whose national identity cards list their ethnicity as Uighur cannot obtain the licenses required to haul fuel, an unwritten rule based on the fear that oil and gas tankers could easily be turned into weapons, according to several trucking companies.

Despite its name — the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region — this strategically pivotal expanse of desert and snow-draped mountains that borders several Central Asian nations is tightly controlled by Beijing. Top government positions as well as critical spots in the sprawling security apparatus are dominated by Han Chinese, many of them recruited from the eastern half of the country.

“The bottom line is that the Chinese don’t trust us, and that is having a corrosive impact on life in Xinjiang,” said Ilham Tohti, a prominent Uighur economist in Beijing. “And the way things are going, it’s going to get worse.”

After a summer of violence that claimed at least 100 lives, analysts, human rights advocates and even a handful of Chinese academics are raising alarms over what they call repressive policies that are fueling increased alienation and radicalization among Uighurs, many of whom subscribe to a moderate brand of Sunni Islam. These policies have been tightened since ethnic rioting four years ago left at least 200 people dead in Urumqi, the regional capital.

The Chinese government blames outside agitators, among them members of a separatist movement it contends has links to global jihadists, for much of the unrest. While there have been a number of unprovoked attacks on Chinese police officers or soldiers in recent years, most experts say the threat from Islamic militants is far less potent and organized than that portrayed by Beijing.

In August, paramilitary police officers not far from Kashgar shot at least 32 men, killing a dozen, during a raid on what was described as a secret “munitions center”; a few days later at least a dozen other Uighurs were killed as they prayed at a farmhouse in Yilkiqi township, according to Radio Free Asia. The authorities said the men were taking part in “illegal religious activities” and training for a terrorist attack, but did not provide further details.

Other episodes include a shooting outside a police station in Aksu Prefecture that wounded 50 and left three dead, and a violent skirmish in Hotan, another Silk Road outpost, during which dozens of men were reportedly shot while protesting the detention of a local imam. The Chinese state news media described these and other episodes as “terror attacks”; exile groups say they were peaceful demonstrations crushed with brute force.

Local residents say these and other clashes have been fueled by the dispiriting realities of daily life here: the institutionalized job discrimination, the restrictions that prohibit those under 18 from entering mosques and the difficulty that many Uighurs face in obtaining passports. Those Uighurs lucky enough to travel abroad say they are often interrogated upon their return by security officials who demand to know whether they have engaged in separatist activities.

and more here.http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/08/world/asia/uighurs-in-china-say-bias-is-growing.html?_r=0

 

[Wholegrain]

We slready discussed that on another thread. No Vietnamese has bothered answering this-

Mission to Vietnam Advocacy Day (Vietnamese-American Meet up 2013) in the U.S. Capitol. A UPR report By IOC-Campa.

Mission to Vietnam Advocacy Day (Vietnamese-American Meet up 2013) in the U.S. Capitol. A UPR report By IOC-Campa.
Written by Khaleelah Porome

Khaleelah Porome
The IOC, is an organization that promotes the preservation of the Kingdom of Champa’s history and culture. The Champa people are an indigenous group of people that have existed in Vietnam since the 7th century. It remained in its glory days until its fall in the 10th century to its northern neighbor, Dai Viet (present day Vietnam). In 1653, Champa became a vassal state of the Nguyen until, in 1832,

Emperor Minh Menh annexed its remaining territories. This caused the erasure of the Kingdom of Champa from the map. Today all that remains of the Kingdom of Champa are it’s archaeological sites and the survivors of Emperor Minh Menh’s ethnic cleansing policies. After 1975, when Saigon fell to the communist government of North Vietnam, the Cham lost their farms, land and properties, because they were confiscated by the government. They have been prohibited to worship and practice their religions. Practicing Hindu Cham had several ancient temples that were used for worship, confiscated and converted into tourist destinations by the Vietnamese government for their own financial benefit, violating the Cham Hindu beliefs.

About 130,000 Cham people in Vietnam currently exist in Binh Thuan and Ninh Thuan provinces (central Vietnam); Chau Doc, Ho Chi Minh City, and Tay Ninh (Southern Vietnam). The rest have fled seeking refuge in the U.S., Thailand, Cambodia, Malaysia, and across Europe.

The Cham people are currently recognized by the Vietnamese government as minority group, even though they are indeed and in fact, indigenous. They meet all requirements by the UN standards and criteria, to be considered indigenous, however the Vietnamese government refuses to acknowledge this.

Recent human rights violations by the Vietnamese government against the Cham people:

In 2012, the local police used their power to bust into a local Mosque and took away a generator that provided electricity to over 40 families in the village of Chau Giang, and not long after that they came and kidnapped young village girls at their discretion to rape and sexually abuse them, eventually releasing them.

On 2009, a farm land owned by 13 Cham families From Vân Lâm villages was confiscated, when they tried to stand up for their ownership, they were apprehended by the police and discarded in an undisclosed remote location in the jungle.

In 2010, two young Cham college students from Thành Tín village are on vacation took a walk from their village to the city being stop and beat up to death.

In March 2013, a poor Cham college student Thành Xuân Thịnh from Phươc Nhơn village took out a loan for school, upon graduation he was unable to get a job and sought the help of staffing agency to place him in a position, so he could pay back his student loans. The agency had promised to staff him within weeks. After a few months, he was still unemployed, and when he approached the agency about a refund, they set him on fire, and he burned to death.

Cham people who have escaped Vietnam and have become U.S. citizens, have tried to return to their native land, of Vietnam to visit family and friends. Each time they return to Vietnam they are discriminated against, harassed, and even imprisoned. Mr. Nguyen V. Xung, an exchange student to Saudi Arabia in 1973 went back to Vietnam to visit his aging mother, was kept in the hotel overnight then was eventually deported out a day after that. Mr. Musa Porome, went to Vietnam in 1989 was kept at a hotel for 5 days while being interrogated by police agents and was eventually deported out of the country. Mr. Qasim Tu went to Vietnam in 2004, and was harassed and subjected to intimidation by Vietnamese secret agent over several days, and unable to visit his family. When Mrs. Man Jone tried to visit she was arrested and imprisoned under the accusations that she was trying to introduce a new religion to the community.

The Vietnamese government is currently building a nuclear power plant in a Cham village, with old and used technology from old North Korean power plants. Many people have fought against it, including Vietnamese politicians and scientists, citing the long term adverse affects it would have on the local villages and eventually extended further into the major cities of Vietnam. People that have spoken out publicly or post anything on social media sites, are immediately approached by and harassed by the Vietnam government. A prime example is when Mr. Musa Porome wrote a letter questioning the reasoning for the development of the nuclear power plant in a currently populated area, and speaking out about it. The government immediately fired back by threatening and intimidating him and his remaining family that still resides in Vietnam. They later tried to retract the statement, when he did not back down. But, he was unable to go back to Vietnam back in November 2012, for fear that they would do something to him if he went to visit.

There are ancient Cham towers that still remain in these indigenous areas. These towers are currently being funded by UNESCO for up keep and maintenance to benefit the tourism industry. These towers are highly visited by tourist all over the world. The profit received does not benefit any of the Cham people, nor the villages in which the towers exist. It is a direct violation of the terms of agreement for the UNESCO funding.

These are just a few of the incidences against the Cham people, that have recently been relayed and documented. Many go undocumented because most people are in fear of their lives and their families lives if they speak out and protest the wrongful actions of the government.

 

[Wholegrain]

Many of the Montagnards (also known as Degar) in the central highlands of Vietnam, like the Jarai people and the Rhade (E De people) speak Malayo Polynesian languages related to Cham. They joined with the Cham people in FULRO to fight for the independence of the central Highlands and Champa against Vietnam. The difference is, that the Cham were Indianized then Islamicized, but the Jarai and Rhade were never Indianized or Islamicized and continue to live a tribal mountain lifestyle.

The Utsul Muslims in China are descended from several waves of Cham refugees fleeing Vietnamese invaders. Some of them came during the Song dynasty and others during the Ming dynasty, when China allowed a Cham prince and several thousands of his followers to set up a remnant Kingdom of Champa.

Viet Nam: Borderless Histories - Google Books

Leaves of the Same Tree: Trade and Ethnicity in the Straits of Melaka - Leonard Y. Andaya - Google Books

The Utsuls language is actually closer to the Jarai and Rhade branches of Chamic, some believe they are descended from the first wave of refugees during the Tang and Song dynasties, when Cham Muslims were a minority and most were Hindus or Buddhist.

The Vermilion Bird - Edward Hetzel Schafer - Google Books

Chamic and beyond: studies in mainland Austronesian languages - Anthony Grant, Paul Sidwell, Australian National University. Pacific Linguistics - Google Books

While the Champa King was still Hindu during the Song dynasty 1,000 years ago, he appointed Arab Muslim ambassadors to send tribute to China.

From Ancient Cham to Modern Dialects: Two Thousand Years of Language Contact ... - Graham Thurgood - Google Books

Science and Civilisation in China: Volume 5, Chemistry and Chemical ... - Joseph Needham, Ho Ping-Yu - Google Books

The Golden Peaches of Samarkand: A Study of T»ang Exotics - Edward H. Schafer - Google Books

The Vermilion Bird - Edward Hetzel Schafer - Google Books

The Vermilion Bird - Edward Hetzel Schafer - Google Books

Aspects of the Maritime Silk Road: From the Persian Gulf to the East China Sea - Google Books

The Indianized States of South-East Asia - George Cœdès - Google Books

A History of Early Southeast Asia: Maritime Trade and Societal Development ... - Kenneth R. Hall - Google Books

Cheng Ho and Islam in Southeast Asia - Tan Ta Sen, Dasheng Chen - Google Books

A History of Early Southeast Asia: Maritime Trade and Societal Development ... - Kenneth R. Hall - Google Books

Champa and the Archaeology of Mỹ S¡n (Vietnam) - Google Books

 

[Minjitta]

The bottom line is that Vietnam needs to shut up with the victimhood bullcrap.

The Cham community in America hates the Vietnamese government and supports independence since some of them were separatists from the Vietnam war. The Cham's numbers are incredibly low (only tens of thousands) that they barely pose a threat to the Vietnamese government or Vietnamese demographics (Vietnamese in former Cham areas number in tens of millions. Since the genocide and displacement largely happened hundreds of years ago.

The the Cham are still in poverty compared to the Vietnamese Kinh, discrimnated against and it would be extremely simple for the Vietnamese government to implement affirmative action exactly because there are so few Cham. (And all those violent incidents and rapes against the Cham by Vietnamese did happen).

The Vietnamese government has also not rectified Ngo Dinh Diem's settlement policies against the Montagnards in the central highlands.

I also do not see any successfuly separatist insurgency arising because of the impossible demographics which are stacked against the Cham.

However, China has the ability to use the Cham issue to irriate Vietnam if it settles Chinese Cham (Utsuls from Hainan) in the disputed Paracel islands or settles Utsuls and Cham from Vietnam in the Spratly islands and declare it an Utsul-Cham autonomous area.

Bold 1you needed to shut the hell up and be thankful that Vietnam give you and opportunity to be born in Vietnam, which your mother f u c ken land didn't provide to you. I fell your sorrow pains that your family left Vietnam in 79'.
Do you ever have any thought that China also cried like a little b i t ch regards to Japanese raping in Nankin? Every little country that wanted their people to remember their low point to remind them not to ever that history happen again.

Bold 2Same goes with China. Tibetan hate mainland Chinese government for taken their land. Tibetan in USA hate China worst than Cham hate Vietnam. Atleast Vietnam treat Cham with respect and provide them all kind of sources.
How did China treat Tibetans in China?

Bold 3Ngo Dinh Diem been gone for 40 years. You are one desperate sorrow SOB.

Bold 4You just show your true colors. Your points and intent are clear. Now you needed to go back to Mainland China and ask Mainland Chinese to except you as real chinese and put ever effort you can to accomplish your sorrow dream.

@Wholegrain You bring many interesting topic and always a lot of interesting history with it.

Is it ok to ask about your ethnic origin? Is it Hui from mainland?

On topic: I have heard about Champa Muslims. I guess Muslims could not make much headway in South East Asia other than the archipelago areas of Mindanao (now marginalized), Malaysia and Indonesia. Smaller and weaker tribes get defeated by bigger or stronger tribes, that has been the history on any part of the world, Vietnam defeating Champa is no different from others, like Burmans defeating Mon's for example.

He still looking for his true identity he only Halfgrain and looking for the Wholegrain of s h i t

No I'm from Taiwan. I'm not Hui. We have several thousand Hui in Taiwan and we never had any instance of religious rioting or discrimination, our record is far better than any other place in east asia regarding religion.

You are not original from Taiwan, you migrated to Taiwan from Vietnam.

 

[Wholegrain]

Bold 1you needed to shut the hell up and be thankful that Vietnam give you and opportunity to be born in Vietnam, which your mother f u c ken land didn't provide to you. I fell your sorrow pains that your family left Vietnam in 79'.
Do you ever have any thought that China also cried like a little b i t ch regards to Japanese raping in Nankin? Every little country that wanted their people to remember their low point to remind them not to ever that history happen again.

Bold 2Same goes with China. Tibetan hate mainland Chinese government for taken their land. Tibetan in USA hate China worst than Cham hate Vietnam. Atleast Vietnam treat Cham with respect and provide them all kind of sources.
How did China treat Tibetans in China?

Bold 3Ngo Dinh Diem been gone for 40 years. You are one desperate sorrow SOB.

Bold 4You just show your true colors. Your points and intent are clear. Now you needed to go back to Mainland China and ask Mainland Chinese to except you as real chinese and put ever effort you can to accomplish your sorrow dream.



He still looking for his true identity he only Halfgrain and looking for the Wholegrain of s h i t


You are not original from Taiwan, you migrated to Taiwan from Vietnam.

I have no connection to Vietnam, no family from there and I wasn't born there. Its your compatriot wannabes who are claiming we southern Chinese are Baiyue and related to Vietnamese.

Ngo Dinh Diem has been gone ror forty years, and the current regime Vietnam continues his policy towards the Montagnards, flooding the central highlands with Kinh people.

Vietnam has been constantly crying over being ruled by foreigners for 1,000 years

 

[Snomannen]

Bold 1
Bold 2Same goes with China. Tibetan hate mainland Chinese government for taken their land. Tibetan in USA hate China worst than Cham hate Vietnam. Atleast Vietnam treat Cham with respect and provide them all kind of sources.
How did China treat Tibetans in China?

Pretty good.

The CCP provides Tibetan free education, improving their education and birth rate level by keep sending volunteers such as teachers and doctors since they have kicked out those Lamas and landlords, build uncountable hospitals and schools, give them the opportunity of gaining bonus marks in examination if they write the exam in their own language (Tibetan). They can have as many children as they want and no need to follow the 1-Child Policy. Such benefit provided to Tibetan people even anger some Han people who consider the CCP is so unfair and "racist".

And I wonder how Vietnamese treated Champ and Montagnard respectfully.

 

[Minjitta]

Pretty good.

The CCP provides Tibetan free education, improving their education and birth rate level by keep sending volunteers such as teachers and doctors since they have kicked out those Lamas and landlords, build uncountable hospitals and schools, give them the opportunity of gaining bonus marks in examination if they write the exam in their own language (Tibetan). They can have as many children as they want and no need to follow the 1-Child Policy. Such benefit provided to Tibetan people even anger some Han people who consider the CCP is so unfair and "racist".

And I wonder how Vietnamese treated Champ and Montagnard respectfully.

Free Education? more like Free Brain Wash, seem like you guy got a lot of Brain Wash Herbs
Here is the facts

These students are also subjected to ideological or moral education classes and co-curricular activities which comprises of themes relating to unification of the state, loving the Communist Party, and emphasis that Tibet is inseparable part of China. Similarly, by rule these students, aged between 12-14 years at the time of selection, are not allowed to return to Tibet even during summer or winter vacation until they complete four-years of junior secondary school and three years of senior secondary school. By virtue of their isolation, they cannot attend any religious activities or pray at monasteries (Postiglione et al., 2004). The overall effect on identity formation is difficult to say, as in many cases dislocation often heightens ethnic consciousness. However, by the time they return to Tibet after seven years of isolation, these secondary graduates are generally bereft of their culture. Around half of them become teachers in Tibet (Postiglione, 2009), and thus possibly help in perpetuating the current state of education that gives primacy to the Mandarin Chinese and Han culture.
Merabsarpa Journal » Making Tibetans in China – dislocated secondary education

I have no connection to Vietnam, no family from there and I wasn't born there. Its your compatriot wannabes who are claiming we southern Chinese are Baiyue and related to Vietnamese.

Ngo Dinh Diem has been gone ror forty years, and the current regime Vietnam continues his policy towards the Montagnards, flooding the central highlands with Kinh people.

Vietnam has been constantly crying over being ruled by foreigners for 1,000 years

Dung noi lao voi bo may nha ba tau con

I have no connection to Vietnam, no family from there and I wasn't born there. Its your compatriot wannabes who are claiming we southern Chinese are Baiyue and related to Vietnamese.

Ngo Dinh Diem has been gone ror forty years, and the current regime Vietnam continues his policy towards the Montagnards, flooding the central highlands with Kinh people.

Vietnam has been constantly crying over being ruled by foreigners for 1,000 years

Dung noi lao voi bo may nha ba tau con

 

[Snomannen]

Free Education? more like Free Brain Wash, seem like you guy got a lot of Brain Wash Herbs
Here is the facts

These students are also subjected to ideological or moral education classes and co-curricular activities which comprises of themes relating to unification of the state, loving the Communist Party, and emphasis that Tibet is inseparable part of China. Similarly, by rule these students, aged between 12-14 years at the time of selection, are not allowed to return to Tibet even during summer or winter vacation until they complete four-years of junior secondary school and three years of senior secondary school. By virtue of their isolation, they cannot attend any religious activities or pray at monasteries (Postiglione et al., 2004). The overall effect on identity formation is difficult to say, as in many cases dislocation often heightens ethnic consciousness. However, by the time they return to Tibet after seven years of isolation, these secondary graduates are generally bereft of their culture. Around half of them become teachers in Tibet (Postiglione, 2009), and thus possibly help in perpetuating the current state of education that gives primacy to the Mandarin Chinese and Han culture.

I have already been "brainwashed" by this article long time ago and this is even one of the reference in my post #357~

Tell me, which kind of education in the world doesn't "brainwash" you~ Even in the US they tell you to love your country, stay together, united and sing to the national flag~ Also I suppose in your beloved country they do he same as China and the US to their children~ Besides during the period of "Lamas' Tibet" people don't even have the opportunity to be educated. The only thing they can do is to obey the rule from landlords and Lama otherwise they have to lose their eyes or hands~ Also they were told that the Dalai Lama is a "God" and they all have to follow any rule they have made. Wasn't that "brainwashed" as well~?

Moreover, it is funny that how people say that the government teases Tibetan culture. Does spending all the money and waste all the human resources in religious festivals (especially in Yuan Dynasty) worth to praise. Is Ula-corvee and Serfs System good for human rights nowadays. The government also criticize Han people's "bad habits", does it mean that the CCP teases Han people as well.
Some guys are also dissatisfied with the "invasion" of Han culture in Tibet. We are now using English and internet, does it mean that we are all "slaves" of Western culture. The article has mentioned clearly that Tibet is much more backward than other regions in China and people have been working hard to change this fact. I believe even in Vietnam your government modernize Champ and Montagnard with the help of Kinh's Culture am I right.

 

[EastSea]

I have no connection to Vietnam, no family from there and I wasn't born there. Its your compatriot wannabes who are claiming we southern Chinese are Baiyue and related to Vietnamese.

Ngo Dinh Diem has been gone ror forty years, and the current regime Vietnam continues his policy towards the Montagnards, flooding the central highlands with Kinh people.

Vietnam has been constantly crying over being ruled by foreigners for 1,000 years

and chinese don't cry that you are ruled by Mongolian to Japanese, Britain up to 1999. And now Taiwanese living in protectorate of USA now.