Vietnam vice minister apologizes to Japan for “$2 Billion loan” gaffe

[kawaraj]

JP also play trick on ODA loan to VN, they gave ODA to corrupted officials to win the project while poor VNese will have to pay back the debt in FULL for them.

But they r not smarter than VN, our poor people simply wont pay anything back to them, if they want ODA back, then ask the corrupted official , dont ask poor VNese tax.

I don't understand what you are talking about. Vietname is facing a revolution? or not?

 

[NiceGuy]

What are you talking about? Are you insinuating that Japanese ODA purposely collaborated as to excuse the fact that Vietnam has corruption? Please don't be asinine. It is not our problem that there is a REAL problem of corruption in Vietnam. In fact, we have already given a Note Verbale of our opposition to Vietnam's corruption issue and requirement of them (Your Government) to address this issue. Or this will be a barrier to further increases in ODA.

Please accept responsibility for your own government's failures, instead of placing blame on Japan.

To normal VNese stop giving ODA to our govt will be better for us, we got a corrupted Govt, every one (including JPese) know that. The ODA will not help poor VNese much, it only help corrupted VN officials and JP companies who won the project to get rich.

If u guys keep giving ODA, then pls dont hope to get the money back coz it dont bring benefit to poor VNese and normal JPese like u and me ,bro

 

[Aepsilons]

To normal VNese stop giving ODA to our govt will be better for us, we got a corrupted Govt, every one (including JPese) know that. The ODA will not help poor VNese much, it only help corrupted VN officials and JP companies who won the project to get rich.

If u guys keep giving ODA, then pls dont hope to get the money back coz it dont bring benefit to poor VNese and normal JPese like u and me ,bro

Then I suggest your government be liable for their actions. If they are incompetent, it should be sacked, and replaced.

Remember, money is not free. It does not grow on trees. The ODA assistance we give to Vietnam comes from Japanese Government, which directly comes from tax payers. We Japanese, too, are being affected.

 

[Armstrong]

I don't understand what you are talking about. Vietname is facing a revolution? or not?

Are you a Pakistani in Japan ?

 

[BoQ77]

He said. There's corrupted officials in Vietnam.
And to win some ODA funded projects, the contractors must make some undertable payment to those. ( of course, they get the money from contracts )
That cause ODA usage less effective, and gave less value to the Development.

That process when revealed make a negative attitude in our people to ODA in general.

 

[NiceGuy]

Then I suggest your government be liable for their actions. If they are incompetent, it should be sacked, and replaced.

Remember, money is not free. It does not grow on trees. The ODA assistance we give to Vietnam comes from Japanese Government, which directly comes from tax payers. We Japanese, too, are being affected.

The problem is that poor VNese cant sack them, they r above the law. ODA is just like a poison to poor VNese coz it help our corrupted Govt. to live longer and get richer .

 

[Aepsilons]

He said. There's corrupted officials in Vietnam.
And to win some ODA funded projects, the contractors must make some undertable payment to those. ( of course, they get the money from contracts )
That cause ODA usage less effective, and gave less value to the Development.

That process when revealed make a negative attitude in our people to ODA in general.

I understand that. The point I'm trying to make is that Vietnam needs to sack any official or official(s) that have a history of propagating this pilfering culture.

 

[Rechoice]

JP also play trick on ODA loan to VN, they gave ODA to corrupted officials to win the project while poor VNese will have to pay back the debt in FULL for them.

But they r not smarter than VN, our poor people simply wont pay anything back to them, if they want ODA back, then ask the corrupted official , dont ask poor VNese tax.

I agree with you partly.

Corrupted officials don't care about this project is funded from ODA fund or state fund, they stolen as much as they could.

Related to ODA Loan of Japan for big project in Vietnam, as I said above, without support of Japanese contractors who could join in the project implementation process, you can not access to ODA Loan of Japan. I think, it is both side interest.

 

[Aepsilons]

I agree with you partly.

Corrupted officials don't care about this project is funded from ODA fund or state fund, they stolen as much as they could.

Related to ODA Loan of Japan for big project in Vietnam, as I said above, without support of Japanese contractors who could join in the project,you can not access to ODA Loan of Japan. I think, it is both side interest.

This is quite depressing to hear. So you're saying to me that there are no checks and balances in your Government to properly reduce and tackle the issue of corruption? Or , permit me to say, there just no will to tackle the issue of corruption in the country?

Are there no grass roots movements? Isn't there an independent judiciary that investigates any agreements between investors and government officials , or for that matter, any investigations , per se an internal auditing, of members of Government?

I appreciate your frank answer.

 

[kawaraj]

Are you a Pakistani in Japan ?

And married to a Japanese women.

 

[kawaraj]

I agree with you partly.

Corrupted officials don't care about this project is funded from ODA fund or state fund, they stolen as much as they could.

Related to ODA Loan of Japan for big project in Vietnam, as I said above, without support of Japanese contractors who could join in the project implementation process, you can not access to ODA Loan of Japan. I think, it is both side interest.

How? Through subcontracting?

 

[Armstrong]

And married to a Japanese women.

Really ?

Hamariii Bhabi Japani hain !

@Nihonjin1051 - Check this out; our sister in law is Japanese !

 

[NiceGuy]

This is quite depressing to hear. So you're saying to me that there are no checks and balances in your Government to properly reduce and tackle the issue of corruption? Or , permit me to say, there just no will to tackle the issue of corruption in the country?

Are there no grass roots movements? Isn't there an independent judiciary that investigates any agreements between investors and government officials , or for that matter, any investigations , per se an internal auditing, of members of Government?

I appreciate your frank answer.

There is no way to stop corruption in VN except war happen or some countries invade us again .and people r forced to remove bad Govt. and find a better leader.

Our Govt is just like Kim's family in NK, cant remove them , thats why many VNese prefer a closer tie wt US-France to Japan coz US-France have a strict rules to corrupted Govt when JP-China Govt. willing to support corrupted Govt to make dirty money from poor people.

 

[terranMarine]

Niceguy should watch out for VCP roaming around or he might end up in the slammer once again

 

[Aepsilons]

Our Govt is just like Kim's family in NK, cant remove them , thats why many VNese prefer a closer tie wt US-France to Japan coz US-France have a strict rules to corrupted Govt when JP-China Govt. willing to support corrupted Govt to make dirty money from poor people.

Are you really serious right now? You know how strict we are regarding corruption right? We have already threatened to cancel ODA to Vietnam BECAUSE of the corruption in your government.

In fact, Japan is probably the MOST serious about corruption issues with foreign aid sent to foreign nations.

As to your remark about France and United States. Do you understand that they do not even compare to the level of investment Japan has in your country right? You understand that Japan is the #1 Greatest Investor into your country right? There is no comparison , bud.

Btw, you should know that any investments with France and USA come with "strings attached".



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