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Vietnam PM seeks regional unity as China pushes maritime claims

LOL the Falkland Islands much further than that 9 point lines, but it do not bother both China and Inda government admit Falkland islands belong to Britain, and in this world there'r too many example of further islands and mainland.
Yeah, and because of that, Britain can claim the entire Atlantic Ocean since that's how British territories stretch from England to Falkland :lol:

PRC cannot control 80% of the sea just because they claim to own tiny dispersed rock here and there on that sea!! During to course of this dispute, no nations has done it besides China (PRC + ROC) I am amuse that such over-zealot and greedy move continue to get support from PRC's enthusiasts.

Here is the biggest reason behind PRC's assertiveness:

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Yes, Crude Oil and Cargo are the blood of Asia, and the water between Spratly and Paracel islands is Asia's main artery. Without this route, Japan, Korean, and ASEAN nations cannot survive. Controlling this and China control Asia. Such a big imperialist dream

That's why America, Russia, India, and Europe get involve in this. The matter is not some little dispute in a middle of no where. It is a geo-political power play that determine the future of Asia!

The Chinese said these islands inside 9 point lines should belong to China coz our ancestors ever remind them in old books or ever fish around these islands, just soso... and forget before today Vietnam country built, the former Republic of China(1945 after WWII) ever sent warships to establish China's boundary tablets near these 9 point lines, the ROC is the 1st one claimed these 9 point lines water belong to China.
Old books like this one from the Qing Dynasty published in 1919 in Nanking?

Cover:

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Map inside:

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Vietnam as a nation was formed in 1945 just to remind a little history. Furthermore, people from Vietnam, Cambodia, Malaysia, Philippines, Indonesia, Taiwan, and Brunei all have fished in this sea, not just Chinese fishermen.

PRC has no right to take everything while leaving almost nothing for everyone else! These waters are international water, and has been that way for thousands of years. It's funny how PRC insists that the Arctic Ocean, which is Russia, US, Canada, and Iceland's backyard, to be international water, while claiming historically international water its territory.
 
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The day China'll achieve the control over SCS(even if they let civilian and merchant ships to operate),Disaster will fall as then Every country with islands as a part of the country on the sea will demand the control of the sea in between..India has A&N and Lakshadeep.so sea between it going to be ours..by that point India will control several choke points in the IOR.and I think we should claim Herad and Mcdonald islands as well.that'll make almost entire IOR ours.I think we should make some toll booth for ships entering in IOR,it'll be good income for us.. :cheers:
 
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LOL, i think today Thailand military much stronger than Vietnam's .
Ask others how many members agree with me ?

I agree on you. Thailand could crush Vietnam anyday.

On topic: It would be nice if everyone resolves the issue. Good that Vietnam PM seeks unity, Aquino should do the same, so that a possible conflict won't happen
 
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First, Vietnam needs to re-establish Indochina under Vietnamese rule. Second a closer cooperation among ASEAN nations, third more ties with Japan, Korea, Australia, India and America.

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You mean like what Indonesia proposes :P

Indonesia seeks new Asia treaty to curb conflict

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US Secretary of State John Kerry, right, talks to the press prior to his bilateral meeting with Indonesian Foreign Minister R.M. Marty Natalegawa at the State Department in Washington, DC. (AFP)

Saturday 18 May 2013

WASHINGTON: Indonesia's foreign minister called Thursday for a new treaty spanning across Asia to help build trust, warning of the potential for conflict in the fast-changing region if tensions fester.
On a visit to Washington, Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa said that a new treaty could help end "the all-too-familiar vicious cycle of tensions" in Asia and instead encourage confidence by bringing countries together in their goals.
Without directly mentioning a rising China or the United States, Natalegawa said that the region did not want "the unchecked preponderance of a single state" or the uncertainty created by feuds among rival powers.
"Instead, peace and stability in the region ought to be brought about through the promotion of an outlook that speaks of common security, common prosperity and common stability," he told the Center for Strategic and International Studies.
Natalegawa said an "Indo-Pacific-Wide Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation" would be along the model of the ASEAN bloc's Treaty of Amity and Cooperation, which bans the use of force in settling disputes in Southeast Asia.
The treaty, first signed in 1976, is credited with winding down Cold War-era divisions in the now rapidly growing Association of Southeast Asian Nations. China, India and the United States have since acceded to the treaty.
The Indonesian foreign minister defined the Indo-Pacific as stretching across the Indian and Pacific Oceans, saying that the region formed a key engine of world growth and was too often viewed in distinct sections.
Natalegawa was general in the details of his proposal, saying it was most important to offer new ideas.
He called for the region to be upfront about its frictions, saying that nations should acknowledge territorial disputes and not "attempt to create new realities on the ground or at sea."
Several of China's neighbors, including Vietnam, the Philippines and Japan, have accused Beijing of aggressive encroachment to exert territorial claims. In turn, Japan has refused to describe islets claimed by China as disputed.
Natalegawa warned that the recent crisis over North Korea could mark "a significant leap" in tensions and hinted at fears that neighboring nations would eventually seek their own nuclear arsenals.
North Korea's nuclear program "may actually be altering the security equation in the region. Proliferation pressures, not unlike for example those in the Indian subcontinent, may ensue," he said.
Natalegawa later met with Secretary of State John Kerry, who said that Indonesia "plays a critical role in the balance of interests in that region."
President Barack Obama, who spent part of his childhood in Indonesia, put a priority in his first term on building ties with the world's most populous Muslim-majority country, which has quickly embraced democracy since the 1990s.
While some experts see the warming ties as more rhetorical than substantive, the United States has notably boosted relations with Indonesia's military after earlier concerns about the elite Kopassus unit's human rights record.
Joseph Yun, the acting US assistant secretary of state for East Asia, said that the United States and Indonesia should become more active together on international areas of concern including cybersecurity and climate change.
He said the United States was also eager to work with Indonesia on hotspots such as Syria, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and North Korea.
"We really have to now look beyond what we have done, what we can do together in terms of global challenges," Yun said.

Indonesia seeks new Asia treaty to curb conflict | ArabNews
 
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The 1st step will kill Vietnam first ... U just tell me which countries in Indochina area could support ur guys' rule ? In current time which big&powerful countries would support Vietnamese rule Indochina, U.S? Russia? E.U? India? Of course China strongly against it.

BTW the Indochina under Thailand rules better than Vietnam.

Relax...it bases upon voluntarily basis, no force. The Thais have learned from the history (Vietnam-Siam war), that they are not as strong as the Vietnamese.

In the past, China recognized "An Nan Guo= 安 南 国" only, look at the map here, where located the "安 南 国" and his border and where is Siam ? Dirty France Colony divided An Nam Emperor to three parts for rule.

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Look at CCP's ridiculous claims - ******** daylight robbery - and they have the gall to call Japanese burglers?.....pathetic.

You do know that the map was chartered by Republic of China, I believe in 30s or 40s and no country has ever objected since then for 70 years. Were they all sleeping or what? Under adverse possession law at least in the U.S., if you do not object to your neighbor's encroachment for enough period of time, that parcel will now belong to your neighbor, even if you did not know anything about the encroachment.

Also I have some qualms about the "exclusive economic zone" line. If an area is already some other country's territory, can you still claim that area as your "exclusive economic zone?" Wouldn't territory trumps over exclusive economic zone, which is a new concept by the UN?
 
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In the past, China recognized "An Nan Guo= 安 南 国" only, look at the map here, where located the "安 南 国" and his border and where is Siam ? Dirty France Colony divided An Nam Emperor to three parts for rule.

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An Nam empire? mm when did An Nam become an empire, with that stripe of land? Guo simply means country, or kingdom in old days.

Also the red circle reads "South East Sea." Not sure any significance of it since the PRC's claim is not based on Qing Dynasty, but on its immediate predecessor, the Republic of China.
 
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Nobody in SE Asia cares about Vietnam.... nobody even cared when Chinese coast guard attacked some Vietnamese fishing boats recently making Vietnamese cry :lol:
 
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An Nam empire? mm when did An Nam become an empire, with that stripe of land? Guo simply means country, or kingdom in old days.

Also the red circle reads "South East Sea." Not sure any significance of it since the PRC's claim is not based on Qing Dynasty, but on its immediate predecessor, the Republic of China.



An Nam Emperor or in la language France: Empire d'Annam with his map here below. Claim based on ROC mean China recognized Taiwan is independence state now and don't open big mouth to lying about fake historical evident from thousand years .:D




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Yeah, and because of that, Britain can claim the entire Atlantic Ocean since that's how British territories stretch from England to Falkland :lol:

PRC cannot control 80% of the sea just because they claim to own tiny dispersed rock here and there on that sea!! During to course of this dispute, no nations has done it besides China (PRC + ROC) I am amuse that such over-zealot and greedy move continue to get support from PRC's enthusiasts.

Here is the biggest reason behind PRC's assertiveness:

mapcrude.png


maplng.png


Yes, Crude Oil and Cargo are the blood of Asia, and the water between Spratly and Paracel islands is Asia's main artery. Without this route, Japan, Korean, and ASEAN nations cannot survive. Controlling this and China control Asia. Such a big imperialist dream

That's why America, Russia, India, and Europe get involve in this. The matter is not some little dispute in a middle of no where. It is a geo-political power play that determine the future of Asia!

Yes, that's one main purpose why PRC or ROC always insisit of nine-dashline belong to China. "Crude Oil and Cargo are the blood of Asia" but sorry most ship to PRC, TaiWan, S.Korea, Japan specially important for China.


China never claim the water inside nine-dashline not international waters, of course the water of South of China Sea still safe for international ships, the Chinese just claim dispute islands controlled by foreign army belong to China, some foreign countries took China's islands in SOC when Chinese weak during 1960s-1970s and now will get them back to real lord. The islands controlled by Vietnamese threat China interests and maritime trade security.


U have understood how important the South of China Sea for China, so China won't leave these dispute islands alone, from now on China government and PLA force will play political diplomacy games with u, provide more pressures by foreign affairs and military actions. Compared with Vietnam, the China has enough TIME and enough MONEY to play games with ur government and country. PLA Army/Navy/Airforce (military expenditure just 2% of China GDP) == Vietnam whole 1 year GDP, it means indeed Vietnam weak enough.

Ur Vietnamese hope the Japan or U.S lend money to Vietnam importing new weapons to against Chinese ? It's just a Wet Dream, coz the economy relationships between U.S and China or Japan and China much stronger than with Vietnam (1 year trades with China >> 10x years trades with Vietnam), Seriously U.S and Japan government also poor they got fiscal crisis now.

2012 China PLA military expenditure > 100 billion $$ still seize 2% of China GDP, so how much cash u wish Vietnam could lend from U.S or Japan government ? About Russia, u think Vietnamese and Chinese today which one is more important for Russian foreign interests ?
 
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Whats Indochina under veitnamese rule?

This is Indochina: union of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Everybody in the region can understand that a strong Vietnam is more capable to stop Chinese expansion further to the South.

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This is Indochina: union of Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia. Everybody in the region can understand that a strong Vietnam is more capable to stop Chinese expansion further to the South.

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Obviously Thailand and China strongly against this union of Vietnam.
Ur guys has failed once, if this happen again China will send PLA troopers out.
 
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I agree on you. Thailand could crush Vietnam anyday.

On topic: It would be nice if everyone resolves the issue. Good that Vietnam PM seeks unity, Aquino should do the same, so that a possible conflict won't happen
You as an illiterate cannot know but fact is after several defeats against Vietnam, the Thais run away as soon as they see a Vietnamese soldier.

Wiki:

One of the renown victories in Vietnamese Naval history was the Battle of Rạch Gầm-Xoài Mút in Tay Son dynasty, during which Nguyễn Huệ (Emperor Quang Trung) defeated the Siamese (Thai) naval force. The battle occurred in present-day Tiền Giang Province on January 19, 1785. Nguyễn Huệ's forces completely destroyed over 50,000 Siamese sailors and 300 warships.[6]

Battle of Rạch Gầm-Xoài Mút of 1785

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Yes, that's one main purpose why PRC or ROC always insisit of nine-dashline belong to China. "Crude Oil and Cargo are the blood of Asia" but sorry most ship to PRC, TaiWan, S.Korea, Japan specially important for China.

China never claim the water inside nine-dashline not international waters, of course the water of South of China Sea still safe for international ships, the Chinese just claim dispute islands controlled by foreign army belong to China, some foreign countries took China's islands in SOC when Chinese weak during 1960s-1970s and now will get them back to real lord. The islands controlled by Vietnamese threat China interests and maritime trade security.
You fail to fool the public. China neither controlled the SC Sea nor the islands in the last 2,000 years. The claims came up in the middle of 19 century.

U have understood how important the South of China Sea for China, so China won't leave these dispute islands alone, from now on China government and PLA force will play political diplomacy games with u, provide more pressures by foreign affairs and military actions. Compared with Vietnam, the China has enough TIME and enough MONEY to play games with ur government and country. PLA Army/Navy/Airforce (military expenditure just 2% of China GDP) == Vietnam whole 1 year GDP, it means indeed Vietnam weak enough.

Ur Vietnamese hope the Japan or U.S lend money to Vietnam importing new weapons to against Chinese ? It's just a Wet Dream, coz the economy relationships between U.S and China or Japan and China much stronger than with Vietnam (1 year trades with China >> 10x years trades with Vietnam), Seriously U.S and Japan government also poor they got fiscal crisis now.

2012 China PLA military expenditure > 100 billion $$ still seize 2% of China GDP, so how much cash u wish Vietnam could lend from U.S or Japan government ? About Russia, u think Vietnamese and Chinese today which one is more important for Russian foreign interests ?
You are right. Vietnam is weak if compared with China. That´s the reason why we need more help from the international comunity. But it is a mistake if you think you can attack Vietnam because others don´t want to risk confrontation with you.
 
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