Vietnam fooling no one in maritime dispute

[xesy]

what time does an internet corporation become a judge on international issue?
let me be more clear about this topic.
why SCS inside 9-dash lines, everything, islands, water, belong to china, because
1, china is the winner of WW II, so 9-dash was released in 1946, right after the war ended in 1945.
11-dash and later 9-dash is a reward for this victory. you know what, china cut 11-dash to 9-dash to show the friendship to north viet. so, it is your viet are too insatiable.
2, china is a country with good reputation, never swallows its own words like viet in 1974.
think the fact that china ceded Bach Long Vi to north viet even if only chinese were living over there.
3, china has much more powerful military force than the others, if you cannot rob our territory water and lands by force, then you cannot get them only by talking or stealing. china will get all things back sooner or later. war or peace depends on your little thieves.

1. Did the French agreed to that? Did they returned to Vietnam after the war and China already took most of the sea and France did nothing? You expect they would let China do as China wanted with their colonies.
2. Good reputation? Lol, really, lol. Other Vietnamese posters will deal with this point. I will not waste my time here. Just one sentence, your "peacful rise" always involves threatening of wars. So much for "good reputation".
3. Stealing? It must be yours to be stolen and last time I check our govts are still argueing about that. No use argueing it now.

And while google is not a judge, it's an important tool to gain more knowledge. And the knowledge I showed you is that most of China maps on the internet show Hainnan as the southern end of China.

French didn't claim that islands as part of their Vietnam colonial territory, which later became the official border of modern state of Vietnam.

That is why during the French colonial time, before modern state of Vietnam exist, that islands became part of Republic of China. There were once French later tried to claim it, but get a strong protest from the RoC government. Although it later the islands felt into the Japanese hand in WW2, but it was officially returned again to China after the war is over.

People gain and lost many of their territory during the colonial era, it's time for Vietnamese to grow up and face the reality. Many people in SE Asia, South Asia, Middle East, America to Africa have that problem. If you want to protest, don't protest to China, but to your former colonial master France. I do believe Vietnam gained a lot of territory as well beside of lost, inherited from French, so why sad? China is also lost many territory.

The French built a weather station in Spratly, why didn't they put it in their colonies? They only had Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia as colonies in Asia, and Vietnam was the nearest.

 

[areal]

not until october, 1946, french didn't return viet nam, you know who unwillingly handed over vietnam to france? china gov.
no evidences show that china gov. left SCS islands to french as well.
your french daddy were more decent than your viet thieves, every times, they thought about touching those islands, the treaty between china and france will be taken into account, and french were never good at faking documents, maps, historical record as your viets.

1. Did the French agreed to that? Did they returned to Vietnam after the war and China already took most of the sea and France did nothing? You expect they would let China do as China wanted with their colonies.
2. Good reputation? Lol, really, lol. Other Vietnamese posters will deal with this point. I will not waste my time here. Just one sentence, your "peacful rise" always involves threatening of wars. So much for "good reputation".
3. Stealing? It must be yours to be stolen and last time I check our govts are still argueing about that. No use argueing it now.

And while google is not a judge, it's an important tool to gain more knowledge. And the knowledge I showed you is that most of China maps on the internet show Hainnan as the southern end of China.


The French built a weather station in Spratly, why didn't they put it in their colonies? They only had Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia as colonies in Asia, and Vietnam was the nearest.

 

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French didn't claim that islands as part of their Vietnam colonial territory, which later became the official border of modern state of Vietnam.

That is why during the French colonial time, before modern state of Vietnam exist, that islands became part of Republic of China. There were once French later tried to claim it, but get a strong protest from the RoC government. Although it later the islands felt into the Japanese hand in WW2, but it was officially returned again to China after the war is over.

People gain and lost many of their territory during the colonial era, it's time for Vietnamese to grow up and face the reality. Many people in SE Asia, South Asia, Middle East, America to Africa have that problem. If you want to protest, don't protest to China, but to your former colonial master France. I do believe Vietnam gained a lot of territory as well beside of lost, inherited from French, so why sad? China is also lost many territory.

You lie.

France controled all Islands in East Sea of Vietnam on behave his responsibilties un der Treaty of Huế, 1883. concluded on 25 August 1883 between France and Vietnam, recognised a French protectorate over Annam and Tonkin.

The order of Quang Ngai province’s governor on sending boats and soldiers to
Paracel Islands under the court’s instruction in 1834.

One of Vietnam's sovereignty steles on Paracel Island built under French Protectorate Administration.

Vietnamese soldiers salute the flag on Paracel Islands in time of Colonial.

 

[areal]

stop faking the hoang sa was china's xisha,
either hoang sa or paracel have been shown a map error from old western atlas.
play your hoang sa and paracel joke inside your own viet nam home. don't think the others of this world are as stupid as your vietnamese.

before 1956, the only time that viet nam has really got an indirect connection to SCS islands, was french illegally built a weather station one of the islands in 1930s, but at once received a protest from china, and quickly retreated due to japanese coming.
it was no business of your viet nam thieves.
WW II ended, japan agreed to return all SCS islands, and 11-dash lines was declared by china, where is your french daddy?
oh, sorry, it was still busy at germany things in europe and begging china to transfer viet nam to it.
when china declared 11-dash lines, it was not any others, but china ruled your little thieves.

needless to say that your PM phan sent official diplomatic letter to make the admission that all these SCS islands belonged to china.

You lie.

France controled all Islands in East Sea of Vietnam on behave his responsibilties un der Treaty of Huế, 1883. concluded on 25 August 1883 between France and Vietnam, recognised a French protectorate over Annam and Tonkin.

The order of Quang Ngai province’s governor on sending boats and soldiers to
Paracel Islands under the court’s instruction in 1834.

One of Vietnam's sovereignty steles on Paracel Island built under French Protectorate Administration.

Vietnamese soldiers salute the flag on Paracel Islands in time of Colonial.

 

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stop faking the hoang sa was china's xisha,
either hoang sa or paracel have been shown a map error from old western atlas.
play your hoang sa and paracel joke inside your own viet nam home. don't think the others of this world are as stupid as your vietnamese.

before 1956, the only time that viet nam has really got an indirect connection to SCS islands, was french illegally built a weather station one of the islands in 1930s, but at once received a protest from china, and quickly retreated due to japanese coming.
it was no business of your viet nam thieves.
WW II ended, japan agreed to return all SCS islands, and 11-dash lines was declared by china, where is your french daddy?
oh, sorry, it was still busy at germany things in europe and begging china to transfer viet nam to it.
when china declared 11-dash lines, it was not any others, but china ruled your little thieves.

needless to say that your PM phan sent official diplomatic letter to make the admission that all these SCS islands belonged to china.

Chinese is lying and lying.

Vietnamese taken control on Islands from ancient time, from the time of Nguyen Hoang Warlord, when he went to Southern land of Vietnam following the order of Le Dynasty Court of Vietnam. Vietnam didn't has troubles with China in old time.

Vietnamese ancient documents indicate this area with various names, including “Bai Cat Vang” (Golden Sandbank), “Hoang Sa” (Golden Sand), “Van Ly Hoang Sa” (Ten-thousand-Li1 Golden Sand), “Dai Truong Sa” (Grand Long Sand), or “Van Ly Truong Sa” (Ten-Thousand-Li Long Sand).

The Vietnamese people have long discovered Hoang Sa and Truong Sa archipelagos, and Viet Nam has exercised its sovereignty over the two archipelagos in a continuous and peaceful manner.

China claimed officially Islands from time of ROC with eleven dash in 1947. by the San Francisco conference 1951 for the Peace Treaty with Japan after WW II, with presentation of delegate of State Vietnam PM Tran Van Huu, the claim of China ROC over Islands of Vietnam was protested by our PM, and it rejected by vote.

 

[xesy]

The funny thing about argueing with Chinese members here is that they act like they are righterous. When 2 sides of conflict claims they are right, there are like 50-50 chance that 1 side is lieing. Could be you, could be me, or either sides could both lieing. I always take that into consideration and hold back a little before making comment. Yet Chinese members see Vietnam "guilty as charged" even though Vietnam is able to present more evidences.

To Vietnamese members: Chinese members always accusing Vietnam before making their comments. That may angry you and cloud your thought. Being put in a accused position make you unable to answer them properly and go off topic. Remember we are here to spread words to the world about the situation of SCS, to tell people the story from our side. We are not here to argue with Chinese members or decide who is wrong or right. That's the international court job. So stop replying to Chinese members and start making topics, will you?

Fake this fake that, lie this lie that, I want you to present evidences and reasons before accusing others. And when Vietnamese members discount Chinese evidences, there should be reasons behind it, not just words. Chinese members do the same too.

 

[areal]

being a part of china for 1000 years, and then being dependent state of china for another 1000 years, viet nam was not and is not qualified to compare whose history is longer.
it is your old china old daddy to determine what you viet nam should have for viet nam being either jiaozi province of china, or ann nom dependent state of china.
no, poor viet namese cannot find real historical documents to support their day-dreaming request over something that they never deserve, so they asks help from counterfeiting, right?
wow, how wise the old viet namese are, they always used the same names for two far archipelagos beyond their technical ability.

in san Francisco conference, it is south viet, not your current still alive viet made the argument, right? let south viet come back, we really want to talk with it.
and, even for south viet, sorry, it was too late to argue, sorry, what did it do as 11-dash lines proposed ?

Chinese is lying and lying.

Vietnamese taken control on Islands from ancient time, from the time of Nguyen Hoang Warlord, when he went to Southern land of Vietnam following the order of Le Dynasty Court of Vietnam. Vietnam didn't has troubles with China in old time.

Vietnamese ancient documents indicate this area with various names, including “Bai Cat Vang” (Golden Sandbank), “Hoang Sa” (Golden Sand), “Van Ly Hoang Sa” (Ten-thousand-Li1 Golden Sand), “Dai Truong Sa” (Grand Long Sand), or “Van Ly Truong Sa” (Ten-Thousand-Li Long Sand).

The Vietnamese people have long discovered Hoang Sa and Truong Sa archipelagos, and Viet Nam has exercised its sovereignty over the two archipelagos in a continuous and peaceful manner.

China claimed officially Islands from time of ROC with eleven dash in 1947. by the San Francisco conference 1951 for the Peace Treaty with Japan after WW II, with presentation of delegate of State Vietnam PM Tran Van Huu, the claim of China ROC over Islands of Vietnam was protested by our PM, and it rejected by vote.

 

[areal]

please demonstrate any historical-geography proof to prove this 'hoang sa' is 'hoang sa' by your current liar viet nam gov. claiming. it is so easy to find a word, but it maybe referred to something that you don't know.

again, i want to be a good-will teacher to teach you a little viet namese,
hoang exactly means yellow, not gold,
so the exact translation, for hoang sa should be yellow sand.

Chinese is lying and lying.

Vietnamese taken control on Islands from ancient time, from the time of Nguyen Hoang Warlord, when he went to Southern land of Vietnam following the order of Le Dynasty Court of Vietnam. Vietnam didn't has troubles with China in old time.

Vietnamese ancient documents indicate this area with various names, including “Bai Cat Vang” (Golden Sandbank), “Hoang Sa” (Golden Sand), “Van Ly Hoang Sa” (Ten-thousand-Li1 Golden Sand), “Dai Truong Sa” (Grand Long Sand), or “Van Ly Truong Sa” (Ten-Thousand-Li Long Sand).

The Vietnamese people have long discovered Hoang Sa and Truong Sa archipelagos, and Viet Nam has exercised its sovereignty over the two archipelagos in a continuous and peaceful manner.

China claimed officially Islands from time of ROC with eleven dash in 1947. by the San Francisco conference 1951 for the Peace Treaty with Japan after WW II, with presentation of delegate of State Vietnam PM Tran Van Huu, the claim of China ROC over Islands of Vietnam was protested by our PM, and it rejected by vote.

 

[BoQ77]

what time does an internet corporation become a judge on international issue?
let me be more clear about this topic.
why SCS inside 9-dash lines, everything, islands, water, belong to china, because
1, china is the winner of WW II, so 9-dash was released in 1946, right after the war ended in 1945.
11-dash and later 9-dash is a reward for this victory. you know what, china cut 11-dash to 9-dash to show the friendship to north viet. so, it is your viet are too insatiable.
2, china is a country with good reputation, never swallows its own words like viet in 1974.
think the fact that china ceded Bach Long Vi to north viet even if only chinese were living over there.
3, china has much more powerful military force than the others, if you cannot rob our territory water and lands by force, then you cannot get them only by talking or stealing. china will get all things back sooner or later. war or peace depends on your little thieves.

1. No real winners unilaterally redraw any map. That's why for the San Francisco, Postdam conference, Geneva Accord ...
2. As you said the representative of China after WW2 is ROC, the dashed-line is not the official claim of ROC but by a ROC citizen created for his own purpose. ROC never claim for territory inside dashed line.
3. Until now, there's no official claim for that, because the dashed line still a mystery without any coordinate.
So why you said that an official claim? Never been a claim.
4. China twisted word, ... no one know Paracels is Nansha or Tungsha, ... or something else in the history.

 

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being a part of china for 1000 years, and then being dependent state of china for another 1000 years, viet nam was not and is not qualified to compare whose history is longer.
it is your old china old daddy to determine what you viet nam should have for viet nam being either jiaozi province of china, or ann nom dependent state of china.
no, poor viet namese cannot find real historical documents to support their day-dreaming request over something that they never deserve, so they asks help from counterfeiting, right?
wow, how wise the old viet namese are, they always used the same names for two far archipelagos beyond their technical ability.

in san Francisco conference, it is south viet, not your current still alive viet made the argument, right? let south viet come back, we really want to talk with it.
and, even for south viet, sorry, it was too late to argue, sorry, what did it do as 11-dash lines proposed ?

You are brainwashed boy.

Han Chinese invaded in our country in ancient time, they were kicked back to China. It is history made by Viet/Kinh people and history of Country Dai Viet, Dai Nam and Vietnam.

Base on your logic Japanese is your (China's) daddy.

Vietnam State is created by our Emperor Bao Dai for the Independent Vietnam after WW II, it was recognized by France, United States, Britain ... so his government delegate with PM Tran Van Huu is invited to join in San Francisco conference as official member of the world community.

China ROC signed with France Chongqing agreement 1946 let France controle Vietnam again in term of Hue Treaty including Islands of Vietnam, so ROC given back to France Vietnam Islands and withdrawn troupe from Itu Aba 1946. and China PRC signed in to Geneva Accords 1954, China acepted that Islands belong to South Vietnam.

China don't has right to claim Islands of Vietnam. Occupation with force of ROC and PRC on Islands of Vietnam is illegal

please demonstrate any historical-geography proof to prove this 'hoang sa' is 'hoang sa' by your current liar viet nam gov. claiming. it is so easy to find a word, but it maybe referred to something that you don't know.
again, i want to be a good-will teacher to teach you a little viet namese,
hoang exactly means yellow, not gold,
so the exact translation, for hoang sa should be yellow sand.

You are low educated boy,

Hoang Sa in Vietnamese is Cat Vang or Yellow Sand with the same meaning.

Map Xu Quảng Nam (Quang Nan area) in the files of "Thiên Nam tứ chí lộ Map" the periode of Chính Hòa (1680 - 1705) of Lê Dynasty Court of Vietnam are writing reference to the name "Bãi Cát Vàng" (call to first names of this Hoàng Sa) in the sea area out of Quảng Ngãi Province of Vietnam.

 

[areal]

viet nam being a part of china was from the very beginning of civilization, recordable history, denying such history is a bold thing that your viet namese own history textbooks can never make a try. go to your primary school for more study on your own history. your old viet namese were proud of being chinese, learning chinese language and writing system, and enjoy chinese culture, even they turned to a dependent state of china, they were still so, not like their disappointing descendents.

japanese never was a ruler of china, not like china being your daddy for two thousand years before transferring such pleasure to your later french daddy.

south viet not your still alive current viet nam, please let south viet nam come back for a reasonable talk.
say at least, making an argument in a conference cannot bring you anything.

please stop LYING on geneva accords offering SCS islands to your dead south viet, the following link is the original text of the accords,
Geneva Accords
any english-qualified person can read that only coastal islands of viet nam are concerned with.
go back to primary school or stop lying again and again.

i point out that you intentionally translated hoang to gold, which was putting feathers on your own cap.
sorry, i forget, viet nam stopped using chinese characters, so they lost a great deal of ability to distinguish different meaning but with the same Chu Quoc Ngu. what a stupid choice they ever made, now nearly all viet namese are actually illiteracy as facing the ancient literature left by their own ancestors.

You are brainwashed boy.

Han Chinese invaded in our country in ancient time, they were kicked back to China. It is history made by Viet/Kinh people and history of Country Dai Viet, Dai Nam and Vietnam.

Base on your logic Japanese is your (China's) daddy.

Vietnam State is created by our Emperor Bao Dai for the Independent Vietnam after WW II, it was recognized by France, United States, Britain ... so his government delegate with PM Tran Van Huu is invited to join in San Francisco conference as official member of the world community.

China ROC signed with France Chongqing agreement 1946 let France controle Vietnam again in term of Hue Treaty including Islands of Vietnam, so ROC given back to France Vietnam Islands and withdrawn troupe from Itu Aba 1946. and China PRC signed in to Geneva Accords 1954, China acepted that Islands belong to South Vietnam.

China don't has right to claim Islands of Vietnam. Occupation with force of ROC and PRC on Islands of Vietnam is illegal




You are low educated boy,

Hoang Sa in Vietnamese is Cat Vang or Yellow Sand with the same meaning.

Map Xu Quảng Nam (Quang Nan area) in the files of "Thiên Nam tứ chí lộ Map" the periode of Chính Hòa (1680 - 1705) of Lê Dynasty Court of Vietnam are writing reference to the name "Bãi Cát Vàng" (call to first names of this Hoàng Sa) in the sea area out of Quảng Ngãi Province of Vietnam.

 

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viet nam being a part of china was from the very beginning of civilization, recordable history, denying such history is a bold thing that your viet namese own history textbooks can never make a try. go to your primary school for more study on your own history. your old viet namese were proud of being chinese, learning chinese language and writing system, and enjoy chinese culture, even they turned to a dependent state of china, they were still so, not like their disappointing descendents.

japanese never was a ruler of china, not like china being your daddy for two thousand years before transferring such pleasure to your later french daddy.

south viet not your still alive current viet nam, please let south viet nam come back for a reasonable talk.
say at least, making an argument in a conference cannot bring you anything.

please stop LYING on geneva accords offering SCS islands to your dead south viet, the following link is the original text of the accords,
Geneva Accords
any english-qualified person can read that only coastal islands of viet nam are concerned with.
go back to primary school or stop lying again and again.

i point out that you intentionally translated hoang to gold, which was putting feathers on your own cap.
sorry, i forget, viet nam stopped using chinese characters, so they lost a great deal of ability to distinguish different meaning but with the same Chu Quoc Ngu. what a stupid choice they ever made, now nearly all viet namese are actually illiteracy as facing the ancient literature left by their own ancestors.

You are stupid boy, dude.

So Mongolian and Manchurian were China daddy.

 

[areal]

it can be seen that viet namese brainwashed people are born liars, as true international accords right before them, they can counterfeit something that never exists in the accords for their insatiable greedy.
an incomplete list for viet namese lies:
1, san francisco conference,
fact:
the already-dead south viet nam made an argument on SCS issue without PRC attending the conference.
viet namese liar:
PRC admitted that SCS islands belonged to viet nam.

2, Potsdam conference,
fact:
leaders of USSR, USA and UK attended the conference, only about europe issues.
viet namese liar:
leaders of WW II winners agreed that SCS islands belonged to viet nam.

3, Geneva accord,
fact:
viet nam should be divided into south and north parts with coastal islands.
viet namese liar:
geneva accord confirmed that SCS islands belonged to viet nam.

You are stupid boy, dude.

So Mongolian and Manchurian were China daddy.

 

[Rechoice]

it can be seen that viet namese brainwashed people are born liars, as true international accords right before them, they can counterfeit something that never exists in the accords for their insatiable greedy.
an incomplete list for viet namese lies:
1, san francisco conference,
fact:
the already-dead south viet nam made an argument on SCS issue without PRC attending the conference.
viet namese liar:
PRC admitted that SCS islands belonged to viet nam.

2, Potsdam conference,
fact:
leaders of USSR, USA and UK attended the conference, only about europe issues.
viet namese liar:
leaders of WW II winners agreed that SCS islands belonged to viet nam.

3, Geneva accord,
fact:
viet nam should be divided into south and north parts with coastal islands.
viet namese liar:
geneva accord confirmed that SCS islands belonged to viet nam.

Study more kid, before you can troll here.

Vietnam State presented on San francisco conference 1951 to protect sovereignty of Vietnam after WW II, claim of China is rejected, It is truth of history.

After Geneva Accords 1954, France handed Paracel and Spratly following term and condition of the Agreement, China PRC was silent.

Here is sovereignity stele mark erected with Flag of South Vietnam on Islands of South Vietnam after Genava Accords 1954.

 

[areal]

1, getting something is so simple for viet namese liars: just making a presentation on a conference to say that that's mine.
san francisco conference:
(1)who was south viet nam? in 1951, it was supposed to be the french daddy who represented its viet nam boy.
where is north viet nam? why it cannot attend the conference? wow, not get an invitation and not even being recognized? haha.
(2)south viet nam has been dead, your north viet namese liar should not make use of such a corpse in this way, even a corpse should have its own dignity. so
let south viet nam come back, PRC would have a little interests on talking with its argument, otherwise,
please read the diplomatic letter sent by your viet nam PM phan in 1956 again and again.
(3)PRC was absent for san francisco conference, USSR attended but refused to sign on the treaty.

2,
words changed in your inconsistent liar network:
according to geneva accords ----->> After Geneva Accords 1954

please continue to tell lies on historical facts only your viet namese liar knows:
but france and china had no formal diplomatic relationship in 1954.

Study more kid, before you can troll here.

Vietnam State presented on San francisco conference 1951 to protect sovereignty of Vietnam after WW II, claim of China is rejected, It is truth of history.

After Geneva Accords 1954, France handed Paracel and Spratly following term and condition of the Agreement, China PRC was silent.

Here is sovereignity stele mark erected with Flag of South Vietnam on Islands of South Vietnam after Genava Accords 1954.