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Vietnam Deploys Submarines to Scare Off China in South China Sea

by FRANCES MARTEL
7 Jan 2016

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Vietnam is preparing to deploy the first of six Kilo-class submarines purchased from Russia into the South China Sea, as a deterrent to China’s seemingly endless expansionism in the region.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports that at least one of the submarines has “begun patrolling disputed waters of the South China Sea, as deterrents to China’s 10 times-bigger navy,” citing Vietnamese officials. Vietnam has only received fifth of the submarines from Russia so far, the sixth scheduled to arrive in early 2016. The news of a Vietnamese buildup in the Cam Ranh Bay, where all six submarines are scheduled to make their home, comes at the tail end of a week in which China has made at least three landings on manmade islands in the Spratly archipelago, prompting severe criticism from Vietnam and the Philippines. Both contest the Spratly Islands, while China claims most of the South China Sea to be its sovereign territory.

The most recent China provocationoccurred on Wednesday, when state outlet Xinhua announced that two planes had landed on an artificial island on the Fiery Cross Reef, territory the international community does not deem to be Chinese. “This is a serious violation of Vietnam’s sovereignty, threatening peace and regional stability, threatening security, safety and freedom of navigation and aviation in the East Sea,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Hai Binh told reportersfollowing the publication of the report.

Carlyle Thayer, a professor from Australia’s Defence Force Academy in Canberra, is quoted by The Sydney Morning Herald as saying the submarines may pose a significant problem for China as it continues to construct landing strips and other military facilities in the region. Thayer wrote of the issue:

These weapons systems should enable Vietnam to make it extremely costly for China to conduct maritime operations within a 200 to 300-nautical-mile band of water along Vietnam’s coast, from the Vietnam-China border in the north-east to around Da Nang in central Vietnam, if not further south.

This has appeared to be Vietnam’s objective since last year, when the government signed a contract with Russia to purchase new submarines. At the time, Reuters wrote that the Vietnamese military had begun emphasizing “high combat readiness” – implicitly against China – and that some military officials were concerned that military conflict with China was unavoidable. “We don’t want to have a conflict with China and we must put faith in our policy of diplomacy, but we know we must be ready for the worst,” one senior official told the news outlet.

The government of the Philippines has also sounded the alarm on Chinese activity in the South China Sea. “We are very concerned about the fact that China had already flown their flights to Fiery Cross Reef,” Albert del Rosario, Filipino’s foreign secretary, said Thursday, warning that China may eventually “take a position that an air defence identification zone could be imposed.”

An Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) requires any non-Chinese aircraft to identify itself while flying through the territory in question or face military attack. China imposed such a zone in the East China Sea in 2013 in sovereign Japanese territory, though it has ceased enforcing it following a U.S. declaration that any military action against Japanese aircraft will be met with a swift American response, as the United States is bound by treaty to defend Japan.

As international concern develops around how Vietnam may use its new fleet of submarines, a new report from a Filipino protest group that traversed the disputed territory in the Spratly Islands suggests China is building its own submarine harboron Mischief Reef in the archipelago. The Kalayaan Atin Ito (KAI) movement said in a statement Wednesday:

Palawan is just 135 nautical miles away from the Panganiban Reef, which is being developed by China into a submarine harbor. … This evil project does not concern the Filipino alone but the entire humanity, including the peace-loving Chinese people.

Members of KAI visited the region in the last week of December as a “freedom mission” to protect Filipino sovereignty from China.

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You tried to invade when the Vietnam army was busy trying to stop your sponsored genocide in Cambodia with the Khmer Rouge.

They still beat you back and kicked you out. Today the 'Jungle' is still theirs.
When was our objective was to conquer Vietnam in 1979s? Show me a quote from our leader that said that please. We did accomplished our objectives.

1) To punish Vietnam which we did, going deep into their soil and could have push further but there was no point.

2) Test the Soviet Union mutual defense treaty.

3) Stop Vietnam expansion across Southeast Asia.
 
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When was our objective was to conquer Vietnam in 1979s? Show me a quote from our leader that said that please. We did accomplished our objectives.

1) To punish Vietnam which we did, going deep into their soil and could have push further but there was no point.

2) Test the Soviet Union mutual defense treaty.

3) Stop Vietnam expansion across Southeast Asia.

Don't make me laugh. Vietnam didn't even pull out a single one of their 150,000 troops in Cambodia, and they still got rid of the genocidal, Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge.

The only thing you proved was how ineffective the Soviets were at being able to protect Vietnam, although clearly Vietnam was more than a match at pushing out China alone.
 
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Vietnam Deploys Submarines to Scare Off China in South China Sea

by FRANCES MARTEL
7 Jan 2016

subs%201.jpg

Vietnam is preparing to deploy the first of six Kilo-class submarines purchased from Russia into the South China Sea, as a deterrent to China’s seemingly endless expansionism in the region.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports that at least one of the submarines has “begun patrolling disputed waters of the South China Sea, as deterrents to China’s 10 times-bigger navy,” citing Vietnamese officials. Vietnam has only received fifth of the submarines from Russia so far, the sixth scheduled to arrive in early 2016. The news of a Vietnamese buildup in the Cam Ranh Bay, where all six submarines are scheduled to make their home, comes at the tail end of a week in which China has made at least three landings on manmade islands in the Spratly archipelago, prompting severe criticism from Vietnam and the Philippines. Both contest the Spratly Islands, while China claims most of the South China Sea to be its sovereign territory.

The most recent China provocationoccurred on Wednesday, when state outlet Xinhua announced that two planes had landed on an artificial island on the Fiery Cross Reef, territory the international community does not deem to be Chinese. “This is a serious violation of Vietnam’s sovereignty, threatening peace and regional stability, threatening security, safety and freedom of navigation and aviation in the East Sea,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Hai Binh told reportersfollowing the publication of the report.

Carlyle Thayer, a professor from Australia’s Defence Force Academy in Canberra, is quoted by The Sydney Morning Herald as saying the submarines may pose a significant problem for China as it continues to construct landing strips and other military facilities in the region. Thayer wrote of the issue:

These weapons systems should enable Vietnam to make it extremely costly for China to conduct maritime operations within a 200 to 300-nautical-mile band of water along Vietnam’s coast, from the Vietnam-China border in the north-east to around Da Nang in central Vietnam, if not further south.

This has appeared to be Vietnam’s objective since last year, when the government signed a contract with Russia to purchase new submarines. At the time, Reuters wrote that the Vietnamese military had begun emphasizing “high combat readiness” – implicitly against China – and that some military officials were concerned that military conflict with China was unavoidable. “We don’t want to have a conflict with China and we must put faith in our policy of diplomacy, but we know we must be ready for the worst,” one senior official told the news outlet.

The government of the Philippines has also sounded the alarm on Chinese activity in the South China Sea. “We are very concerned about the fact that China had already flown their flights to Fiery Cross Reef,” Albert del Rosario, Filipino’s foreign secretary, said Thursday, warning that China may eventually “take a position that an air defence identification zone could be imposed.”

An Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) requires any non-Chinese aircraft to identify itself while flying through the territory in question or face military attack. China imposed such a zone in the East China Sea in 2013 in sovereign Japanese territory, though it has ceased enforcing it following a U.S. declaration that any military action against Japanese aircraft will be met with a swift American response, as the United States is bound by treaty to defend Japan.

As international concern develops around how Vietnam may use its new fleet of submarines, a new report from a Filipino protest group that traversed the disputed territory in the Spratly Islands suggests China is building its own submarine harboron Mischief Reef in the archipelago. The Kalayaan Atin Ito (KAI) movement said in a statement Wednesday:

Palawan is just 135 nautical miles away from the Panganiban Reef, which is being developed by China into a submarine harbor. … This evil project does not concern the Filipino alone but the entire humanity, including the peace-loving Chinese people.

Members of KAI visited the region in the last week of December as a “freedom mission” to protect Filipino sovereignty from China.

Vietnam Deploys Submarines in South China Sea



End of the day: Cooler heads prevail--


Vietnamese NA, China’s NPC sign cooperation agreement
Chairman of Vietnam’s National Assembly Nguyen Sinh Hung and Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress of China (NPC) Zhang Dejiang signed a cooperation agreement between the two countries’ legislatures after their talks in Beijing on December 24.

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NA Chairman Nguyen Sinh Hung (L) and Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress of China Zhang Dejiang signed a cooperation agreement between the two countries’ legislatures.

Vietnam Deploys Submarines to Scare Off China in South China Sea

by FRANCES MARTEL
7 Jan 2016

subs%201.jpg

Vietnam is preparing to deploy the first of six Kilo-class submarines purchased from Russia into the South China Sea, as a deterrent to China’s seemingly endless expansionism in the region.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports that at least one of the submarines has “begun patrolling disputed waters of the South China Sea, as deterrents to China’s 10 times-bigger navy,” citing Vietnamese officials. Vietnam has only received fifth of the submarines from Russia so far, the sixth scheduled to arrive in early 2016. The news of a Vietnamese buildup in the Cam Ranh Bay, where all six submarines are scheduled to make their home, comes at the tail end of a week in which China has made at least three landings on manmade islands in the Spratly archipelago, prompting severe criticism from Vietnam and the Philippines. Both contest the Spratly Islands, while China claims most of the South China Sea to be its sovereign territory.

The most recent China provocationoccurred on Wednesday, when state outlet Xinhua announced that two planes had landed on an artificial island on the Fiery Cross Reef, territory the international community does not deem to be Chinese. “This is a serious violation of Vietnam’s sovereignty, threatening peace and regional stability, threatening security, safety and freedom of navigation and aviation in the East Sea,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Hai Binh told reportersfollowing the publication of the report.

Carlyle Thayer, a professor from Australia’s Defence Force Academy in Canberra, is quoted by The Sydney Morning Herald as saying the submarines may pose a significant problem for China as it continues to construct landing strips and other military facilities in the region. Thayer wrote of the issue:

These weapons systems should enable Vietnam to make it extremely costly for China to conduct maritime operations within a 200 to 300-nautical-mile band of water along Vietnam’s coast, from the Vietnam-China border in the north-east to around Da Nang in central Vietnam, if not further south.

This has appeared to be Vietnam’s objective since last year, when the government signed a contract with Russia to purchase new submarines. At the time, Reuters wrote that the Vietnamese military had begun emphasizing “high combat readiness” – implicitly against China – and that some military officials were concerned that military conflict with China was unavoidable. “We don’t want to have a conflict with China and we must put faith in our policy of diplomacy, but we know we must be ready for the worst,” one senior official told the news outlet.

The government of the Philippines has also sounded the alarm on Chinese activity in the South China Sea. “We are very concerned about the fact that China had already flown their flights to Fiery Cross Reef,” Albert del Rosario, Filipino’s foreign secretary, said Thursday, warning that China may eventually “take a position that an air defence identification zone could be imposed.”

An Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) requires any non-Chinese aircraft to identify itself while flying through the territory in question or face military attack. China imposed such a zone in the East China Sea in 2013 in sovereign Japanese territory, though it has ceased enforcing it following a U.S. declaration that any military action against Japanese aircraft will be met with a swift American response, as the United States is bound by treaty to defend Japan.

As international concern develops around how Vietnam may use its new fleet of submarines, a new report from a Filipino protest group that traversed the disputed territory in the Spratly Islands suggests China is building its own submarine harboron Mischief Reef in the archipelago. The Kalayaan Atin Ito (KAI) movement said in a statement Wednesday:

Palawan is just 135 nautical miles away from the Panganiban Reef, which is being developed by China into a submarine harbor. … This evil project does not concern the Filipino alone but the entire humanity, including the peace-loving Chinese people.

Members of KAI visited the region in the last week of December as a “freedom mission” to protect Filipino sovereignty from China.

Vietnam Deploys Submarines in South China Sea



Enough of these unproductive war-war threads. Its all sound and fury representing nothing. We all know that in the end of the day trade is what matters.
 
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Don't make me laugh. Vietnam didn't even pull out a single one of their 150,000 troops in Cambodia, and they still got rid of the genocidal, Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge.

The only thing you proved was how ineffective the Soviets were at being able to protect Vietnam, although clearly Vietnam was more than a match at pushing out China alone.
You are a joke. Even the US back Khmer Rouge. In fact, the whole Western world, including your India, supported a UN sanction against Vietnam aggression and occupy of Cambodia. Our goal was simply to contain Vietnam expansion on behalf of Soviet Union in Southeast Asia. We did that. Khmer Rouge was irrelevant in geopolitics during Cold War.

Let not get ahead of yourself. The damage we done in Vietnam. You can ask the Vietnamese how scare their people was at that time. Had this been an all-out war like the one in WWII (especially Russia and Germany), you think we would pull out that easily?
 
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None of this changes the fact that they absolutely destroyed your aggressive, and genocidal, proxy-expansion into Southeast Asia with the Khmer Rouge, while at the same time driving you back from their country. US backing the Khmer Rouge honestly just makes it even more impressive, as US backed the Taliban, and we saw what it did to the Soviets. Two Wars on two front. Now look at the size of Vietnam, and look at the size of China. It is like something out of a Tom and Jerry cartoon where the Mouse defeats the Cat. And nobody, apart from some CCP drones, thinks you won either of those conflicts.

@Hu Songshan
 
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The viet can buy sub from us.

We offer much reasonable price . If you buy more than 5 , congratulations , You will have 10% discount.

And the most important is that the lead time will be much much mcuh more shorter than other vendors.

The viet can buy sub from us.

We offer much reasonable price . If you buy more than 5 , congratulations , You will have 10% discount.

And the most important is that the lead time will be much much mcuh more shorter than other vendors.
 
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Don't make me laugh. Vietnam didn't even pull out a single one of their 150,000 troops in Cambodia, and they still got rid of the genocidal, Chinese-backed Khmer Rouge.

The only thing you proved was how ineffective the Soviets were at being able to protect Vietnam, although clearly Vietnam was more than a match at pushing out China alone.

You knew too limited of South-east Asia. The region didn't start 400 years ago, or since cold war era, their earliest kingdom started 2000 years ago. Khmer was one of the oldest and strongest kingdom. But since 14th century under the attack of Siam and Vietnam from two sides, it became weak and lost absolute independent. (it's very similar to the experience of Poland. )
For the past 1000 years, there are 4 mainly powers in peninsula: Vietnam, Siam, Khmer and Myanmar. There were also lots of some other kingdoms, but they didn't last as long as these four ones or they were dependent nations. The relationship among these four main nations were very complicated: ally, culture exchanges, people migration, war, expansion, annex, re-independent...Actually Assamese in India are Thai people of ethnic, you can imagine, Thailand (Siam) once reach and control the area for a long time, also Myanmar once expand and control a large area in Laos, Thailand and India NE. In 1580's and 1760's, Myanmar twice almost annex the whole Siam and Myanmar-China war at the same time. The region was very complicated.
That's a reason Vietnam in 1970's would meddle in Cambodia. Khmer as a dependent state between Vietnam and Thailand for centuries, both nations had responsibility and will to do the way.
 
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None of this changes the fact that they absolutely destroyed your aggressive, and genocidal, proxy-expansion into Southeast Asia with the Khmer Rouge, while at the same time driving you back from their country. US backing the Khmer Rouge honestly just makes it even more impressive, as US backed the Taliban, and we saw what it did to the Soviets. Two Wars on two front. Now look at the size of Vietnam, and look at the size of China. It is like something out of a Tom and Jerry cartoon where the Mouse defeats the Cat. And nobody, apart from some CCP drones, thinks you won either of those conflicts.
So India also won the 1962 War with China? China is different from the West. Chinese Wars focus on strategic goals, not occupations. In 1962, we destroyed Indian eyes on Tibet while in 1979, we destroyed Vietnamese dream of unified IndoChina. Both India and Vietnam can pretend that they defeated China since China retreated after we realized our strategic goals.
 
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China is much more realistic and patiently than Untied states in wars. We are confident that China can last forever. Each time we realize a small step, after several hundreds of years, we can achieve a lot. If there would be another war with India, it would be southern Tibet; another war with Vietnam, it would be the whole southern China Sea. Step by step, we will realize our more and more strategic goals.
 
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When was our objective was to conquer Vietnam in 1979s? Show me a quote from our leader that said that please. We did accomplished our objectives.

1) To punish Vietnam which we did, going deep into their soil and could have push further but there was no point.

2) Test the Soviet Union mutual defense treaty.

3) Stop Vietnam expansion across Southeast Asia.
You're arguing with the second most ignorant fools. One Indian guys even came up with, "the only war China fought was with India in 1962" :hitwall:
They are near to the borderline of being retarded.
 
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