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[yusheng]

 

[cnleio]

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当地时间22日上午，第二十三批护航编队抵达金兰港，开始对越南进行为期5天的友好访问。越南金兰港是该编队访问的第四站，也是最后一站。
2016.10.22 It's 1st time in the history of Sino-Vietnam relationship, China PLAN 2x type054A warships visiting Vietnam cam ranh bay.

 

[Viet]

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not too bad. our navy seriously needs more surface warships.
I haven´t seen any pictures showing command centre of the frigates. would be nice to get a glimpse on

 

[GS Zhou]

not too bad. our navy seriously needs more surface warships.
I haven´t seen any pictures showing command centre of the frigates. would be nice to get a glimpse on

No offense. But given the small budget size of the VN military force, as well as the limited manufacturing industry capabilities of your country, large surface warships are too expensive to Vietnam to afford.

 

[Viet]

No offense. But given the small budget size of the VN military force, as well as the limited manufacturing industry capabilities of your country, large surface warships are too expensive to Vietnam to afford.

it is not going to happen tomorrow. nor after tomorrow. it is for the long run. Vietnam can try to copy the success of the Koreans. they started from zero, didn´t they? Korea is smaller in size and population than Vietnam. don´t forget they were much poorer than Vietnam today.

Launch of a new ship of Vinashin shipyard

 

[GS Zhou]

it is not going to happen tomorrow. nor after tomorrow. it is for the long run. Vietnam can try to copy the success of the Koreans. they started from zero, didn´t they? Korea is smaller in size and population than Vietnam. don´t forget they were much poorer than Vietnam today.

Launch of a new ship of Vinashin shipyard

tomorrow is a beatiful word, because everything is possible in tomorrow. but just dont know how far your key opponent could go in tomorrow.

stick to topic. what is this vessel? how large? built by whom? thanks.

 

[Gunfu]

The problem with Vietnam is communist economy. China has capitalistic economy.
If Vietnam swaps communist economy with Chinese capitalism. Vietnam would become very rich.

South Korea has capitalist economy.
North Korea has communist economy.

At least China understands that communist economy does not work.
So China use American capitalism.

So lets sum this up.
China has capitalist economy with communist rule.
Vietnam has communist economy with communist rule.

 

[Silent Knight]

...

Not exactly.

Vietnam has abandoned the "communism" economy with the "Đổi mới" (Reform) in 1986. It's goal is a socialist-oriented market economy. Now we're more like a capitalist economy under socialist banner. The Communism is an ideology and is not really related to our current economic.

Stick to the topic.

Also huge thanks to @GS Zhou for the name of 3 warships visiting Cam Ranh. Unfortunately I asked you the question and totally forgot about it until today

 

[GS Zhou]

Also huge thanks to @GS Zhou for the name of 3 warships visiting Cam Ranh. Unfortunately I asked you the question and totally forgot about it until today

no problem bro

 

[Nilgiri]

Not exactly.

Vietnam has abandoned the "communism" economy with the "Đổi mới" (Reform) in 1986. It's goal is a socialist-oriented market economy. Now we're more like a capitalist economy under socialist banner. The Communism is an ideology and is not really related to our current economic.

Stick to the topic.

Also huge thanks to @GS Zhou for the name of 3 warships visiting Cam Ranh. Unfortunately I asked you the question and totally forgot about it until today

Great video!

 

[Viet]

tomorrow is a beatiful word, because everything is possible in tomorrow. but just dont know how far your key opponent could go in tomorrow.

stick to topic. what is this vessel? how large? built by whom? thanks.

it is one of many ships that is built by the domestic shipbuilder Sbic. Vietnam can build various types of commercial vessels.

logistic fishery vessel (13,000 DWT)

carrier (4,900 cars)

storage vessel

ethylen transport vessel

Container vessel

bulk vessel

multiple purpose transport vessel

Bulk carrier (24,000 DWT)

rescue vessel 2x 1300HP

tourist vessel

highspeed vessel Fcs 5009

tug boat

 

[Aqsuperman]

In pure communist economy, there is no such thing as personal wealth which is more than common in Vietnam now. We have abandon the fixed structure and follow a more flexible system more than 2 decades so the problem not lies at the political aspect of the system itself. And its obvious that the current capitalism is way different from the capitalism of the 1920s.

Relying purely on political system to judge the success of the economy and offering Youtube clips made by people that only desire view are not really convincing, i can even offer you clips with proof that the US government is actually dictatorship in disguise if you want . I recommend that you look for a book called "23 Things They Don't Tell You About Capitalism" by Ha-Joon Chang, a South Korean. In there you will know that capitalism and communism cant affect crap about economic success.

In another new, Tom Hayden, a famous and dynamic activist for the end of Vietnam War, has passed away at the age of 76. He manage to scrap together a plan to send aids and donations to Bach Mai hospital after its was "mistakenly" bombed to misery.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-tom-vietnam-war-20161024-snap-story.html

 

[Silent Knight]

Great video!

He, more to come.

Next time it'll have more footage of combat maneuver training, not just some nice formation and sea-skimming flights.

 

[Viet]

maybe a coincidence and not related to the statement of Vietnam defence ministry issued during the Vietnam, US 7th defence policy dialogue

the meeting took place on Monday last week with Cara Abercrombie, US Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for South and Southeast Asia. Senior Lt. Gen. Nguyen Chi Vinh said “Vietnam will support the U.S and other partners to intervene in the region as long as it brings peace, stability and prosperity”.

and for the first time ever, 4 days later, on last Friday the U.S. Pacific Fleet command headquartered in San Diego, dispatched a destroyer, USS Decatur, cruising near the Paracels. It was the first time such a "freedom of navigation" operation has been conducted without the Japan-based 7th Fleet in command. The U.S. 3rd Fleet consist of more than 100 vessels, including 4 aircraft carriers. I think, the US wants the US 7th fleet covers the East, while the US 3rd fleet the South China sea. a major shift in the US strategy.

U.S. 3rd Fleet

 

[Viet]

Vietnam walks a thin line as American, Chinese warships make landmark port calls
By Dien Luong October 21, 2016 | 01:38 pm GMT+7 VNexpress.net

The USS John S. McCain at Tien Sa Port in Da Nang, visiting as part of the seventh annual Naval Engagement Activity between the US Navy and the Vietnam People's Navy.Photo by AFP/U.S. Embassy in Hanoi



‘Vietnam does not have to be a tightrope walker.’
On October 2 two American warships docked at Vietnam’s strategic naval base at Cam Ranh Bay for the first time since the war. This weekend, three Chinese warships will make a similarly unprecedented visit to the same crucial port.

Last Monday, Vietnam’s Vice Minister of National Defense Nguyen Chi Vinh reassured Cara Abercrombie, the visiting U.S. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for South and Southeast Asia, that Hanoi would support Washington’s “engagement” in the Asia-Pacific as long as it brought peace, stability and prosperity.

The statement came several days before Filipino President Rodrigo Duterte filled Beijing's Great Hall of the People with applause and laughter by announcing his "separation from the United States." Leaning gamely on the podium, the 71-year old controversial president described the separation as both military and economic. "I have separated from them so I will be dependant on you for all time," he told the Chinese audience. The slapstick hyperbole made light of the choices small Southeast Asian states must make. As the two major powers vie for dominance through ally states, Vietnam has pursued a delicate path between them.


USS destroyer John S. McCain

“There is nothing surprising in this move,” Ngo Vinh Long, a Vietnamese professor of history at the University of Maine said in reference to the upcoming visit of Chinese warships.

“Vietnam has said many times that it would open Cam Ranh Bay to all visitors. War ships from the U.S. visited the Bay recently and so this time Chinese warships’ turn,” Long told VnExpress International. “In fact I think the coming and going of warships from different countries would enhance security in the area since they would get to know each other and would therefore, hopefully, help avoid unwanted or accidental confrontations in the open sea.”

To several other analysts, Vietnam will be the tightrope walker in the middle with China and the U.S. holding each end.

“Hanoi knows that China is watching them like a hawk,” said Zachary Abuza, a Southeast Asia expert at the National War College in Washington. “I think that the Americans know that even if we dance with the Vietnamese they are watching China’s reactions over our shoulders.”

Vietnam has said recently that it would not allow other countries to set up military bases in Cam Ranh, in what appeared to be a response to Russia's attempt to reopen its Soviet-era base there.

"Vietnam's consistent policy is not to engage a military ally or engage with any country to oppose a third country," Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Hai Binh told a news briefing in mid-October. "We will also not allow any other countries to set up a military base in Vietnam."

Cam Ranh Bay, around 354 kilometers (220 miles) north of Ho Chi Minh City, is considered the strategic deep water harbor at the center of Vietnam's military modernization and home to its fleet of modern Russian-built submarines. Designed by the French during their colonial rule, Cam Ranh served as a regional staging point for the Russians in their 1905 war against Japan. The Japanese occupied the port during the Second World War and the U.S-backed Saigon regime exploited the bay during the Vietnam War.

Following the reunification of the country in 1975, Vietnam allowed Russian naval forces to maintain a permanent presence in the bay until 2002. In 2011, the U.S. and Vietnam signed a memorandum of understanding calling for an annual port visit, but excluded Cam Ranh. In 2012, then Defense Secretary Leon Panetta visited Cam Ranh Bay, the first high-ranking American official to do so since the end of the Vietnam War.

Hanoi later turned the bay into an international port, open to all on a commercial basis. Singaporean, French and Japanese warships have made port calls in Cam Ranh since the start of the year. Shortly after China began flexing its muscles in the South China Sea (which Vietnam calls the East Sea), in 2011 President Barack Obama announced America’s vaguely assertive plans for a strategic “pivot" towards the Asia-Pacific region.

After China towed a giant oil rig into Vietnamese waters May 2014, the U.S. has sought to remain a vocal critic of China’s claims. Beijing has dismissed Washington's statements as efforts to contain its rise.

At the end of the day, "China will always be an important factor to Vietnam, partly because of geographical, political, economic and ideological proximity,” said Long, the Vietnamese analyst. “Vietnam does not have to be a tightrope walker, although it has to be adept in its relations with other countries," he said. "This is what diplomacy is all about and big countries like China and U.S. have had to do the same.

"Admittedly some might have tried to be intimidating either because of inferiority or superiority complex. But in general, the misuse of power usually results in the loss of power."