Vietnam Defence Forum

[Carlosa]

IAF's Version with rotating Arudhra radar.

Nice one. Vietnam should get it.

 

[hoangsa74]

Nice one. Vietnam should get it.

Israel missile yes but not indian radar

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Israel missile yes but not indian radar

But the whole Barak-8 manufacturing going on in BDL, India? Surprised?

 

[hoangsa74]

But the whole Barak-8 manufacturing going on in BDL, India? Surprised?

Still the viet must not buy indian radar. They have much better choice.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Still the viet must not buy indian radar. They have much better choice.

Which choice? You are seriously a Grade A moron.

The SAM is not apple or orange. The SAM come with whole package. With TEL, surveillance radar, FCS radar, power generators, C&C unit etc etc.

Who do the integration of Barak-8 with other radar? You?

And which missile you talking about Israeli? When half of sensors and whole propulsion is Indian, which even manufactured in India by BDL.

So, wtf you talking about?

Still the viet must not buy indian radar. They have much better choice.

Lol, even canisters of Barak-8 is manufactured by L&T,India. This is the whole picture of a SAM.

 

[hoangsa74]

Which choice? You are seriously a Grade A moron.

The SAM is not apple or orange. The SAM come with whole package. With TEL, surveillance radar, FCS radar, power generators, C&C unit etc etc.

Who do the integration of Barak-8 with other radar? You?

And which missile you talking about Israeli? When half of sensors and whole propulsion is India, which even manufactured in India by BDL.

So, wtf you talking about?[/QUOTE

The viet already bought israel radar for their spyder n they can buy israel star radar for their barack missle. Why would they bother buying indian junks radar?

Which choice? You are seriously a Grade A moron.

The SAM is not apple or orange. The SAM come with whole package. With TEL, surveillance radar, FCS radar, power generators, C&C unit etc etc.

Who do the integration of Barak-8 with other radar? You?

And which missile you talking about Israeli? When half of sensors and whole propulsion is Indian, which even manufactured in India by BDL.

So, wtf you talking about?


Lol, even canisters of Barak-8 is manufactured by L&T,India. This is the whole picture of a SAM.

Congraz for making the canister. Barak is an Israeli sam. Indian contributions is next to nothing

 

[Farhan Bohra]

The viet already bought israel radar for their spyder n they can buy israel star radar for their barack missle. Why would they bother buying indian junks radar?

How you know that is junk? Please back up your claims?

Was you involved in ground trials conducted by Israel in 2013. Was you involved with trials that was done in India some month ago.

If not, then wtf you saying? Dreaming?

Congraz for making the canister. Barak is an Israeli sam. Indian contributions is next to nothing

Okey,

The viet already bought israel radar for their spyder n they can buy israel star radar for their barack missle. Why would they bother buying indian junks radar?


Congraz for making the canister. Barak is an Israeli sam. Indian contributions is next to nothing

The Barak-2, also known as Barak-8 in Israel, will be available from 2013 in two versions--the 70km-range vertically-launched medium-range surface-to-air missile (MR-SAM) variant for the Indian Navy, and a 120km-range long-range (LR-SAM) variant for the Indian Air Force (IAF). Both variants are presently being co-developed by a consortium of entities that include India’s Hyderabad-based Defence Research & Development Laboratory (DRDL), Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL) and Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL) on one hand, and a consortium of Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and TATA Advanced Systems, called NOVA Integrated Systems Pvt Ltd. The MR-SAM variant is also likely to be inducted into service by the Indian Army in future. The MR-SAM’s critical design review was completed by early May 2008 and its DRDL-developed two-stage pulsed rocket motor was successfully test-fired earlier the same year. The first six sets of these rocket motors were shipped to IAI by the DRDL in July 2008 for further test and integration activities. Series production is due to begin in 2011 at the Hyderabad-based facilities of BDL and NOVA Integrated Systems. From the Indian side, the principal R & D players for both variants of the Barak-2 are the DRDL, Hyderabad-based Research Centre Imarat (RCI) and Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL), and the Bangalore-based Electronics R & D Establishment (LRDE). Israeli companies participating in the joint venture are the MLM and ELTA Systems business divisions of IAI. While IAI/MLM is responsible for developing the guided-missiles along with the DRDL, RCI and ASL, IAI/ELTA will co-develop along with the LRDE and BEL the command-and-control system and related fire-control system (for both variants of the Barak-2).

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2011/04/hardened-air-cover-with-mr-sams-lr-sams.html

 

[Viet]

Nice but Barak-8 and Aster 30 are much better and in the case of Barak-8 its cheaper also. VN should follow Israel on this. Spyder and Barak-8 for short and medium range and S-300/400 for long range and terminal ABM.

Barak and Aster are ship bound missiles, aren't they? Buk is something that is bound on the ground. Ok I see there are many variants.

 

[hoangsa74]

How you know that is junk? Please back up your claims?

Was you involved in ground trials conducted by Israel in 2013. Was you involved with trials that was done in India some month ago.

If not, then wtf you saying? Dreaming?


Okey,


The Barak-2, also known as Barak-8 in Israel, will be available from 2013 in two versions--the 70km-range vertically-launched medium-range surface-to-air missile (MR-SAM) variant for the Indian Navy, and a 120km-range long-range (LR-SAM) variant for the Indian Air Force (IAF). Both variants are presently being co-developed by a consortium of entities that include India’s Hyderabad-based Defence Research & Development Laboratory (DRDL), Bharat Electronics Ltd (BEL) and Bharat Dynamics Ltd (BDL) on one hand, and a consortium of Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) and TATA Advanced Systems, called NOVA Integrated Systems Pvt Ltd. The MR-SAM variant is also likely to be inducted into service by the Indian Army in future. The MR-SAM’s critical design review was completed by early May 2008 and its DRDL-developed two-stage pulsed rocket motor was successfully test-fired earlier the same year. The first six sets of these rocket motors were shipped to IAI by the DRDL in July 2008 for further test and integration activities. Series production is due to begin in 2011 at the Hyderabad-based facilities of BDL and NOVA Integrated Systems. From the Indian side, the principal R & D players for both variants of the Barak-2 are the DRDL, Hyderabad-based Research Centre Imarat (RCI) and Advanced Systems Laboratory (ASL), and the Bangalore-based Electronics R & D Establishment (LRDE). Israeli companies participating in the joint venture are the MLM and ELTA Systems business divisions of IAI. While IAI/MLM is responsible for developing the guided-missiles along with the DRDL, RCI and ASL, IAI/ELTA will co-develop along with the LRDE and BEL the command-and-control system and related fire-control system (for both variants of the Barak-2).

http://trishul-trident.blogspot.in/2011/04/hardened-air-cover-with-mr-sams-lr-sams.html

It's common sense, genius. Nobody buys indian radar or even indian weapons in general. Just ask the viet. They have been buying russian n israeli radar for years. Barak is just a project that indian pays israel scientists to develop for india, india contribute next to nothing.

 

[Farhan Bohra]

It's common sense, genius. Nobody buys indian radar or even indian weapons in general. Just ask the viet. They have been buying russian n israeli radar for years. Barak is just a project that indian pays israel scientists to develop for india, india contribute next to nothing.

Boy, read the link. Do you have some problem in reading?

Nobody buys indian radar or even indian weapons in general. Just ask the viet.

So, why Vietnam shown interest in BrahMos, not only in Block 1, but also in Block-3 and BrahMos M?

 

[Viet]

It's common sense, genius. Nobody buys indian radar or even indian weapons in general. Just ask the viet. They have been buying russian n israeli radar for years. Barak is just a project that indian pays israel scientists to develop for india, india contribute next to nothing.

Genius we want to learn from India. I say over and over, not buying weapon but learning how to make it. India does it. She makes tank, airplane, rocket, destroyer, submarine and aircraft carrier. What is wrong not to follow the same path?

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Barak and Aster are ship bound missiles, aren't they? Buk is something that is bound on the ground. Ok I see there are many variants.

Barak actually an Israeli name of that project, actually in India nobody named that project. Only named as LR-SAM and MR-SAM.

MR-SAM is for navy, and LR-SAM is for IAF. IAF's version use Arudhara radar (developed after ToT of EL/M-2084), the missile range is 120 Km. And lot of people confuse because of this.

Here the trial of IAF's version

 

[hoangsa74]

Boy, read the link. Do you have some problem in reading?


So, why Vietnam shown interest in BrahMos, not only in Block 1, but also in Block-3 and BrahMos M?

Yes, I had read the link before you posted the link. Barak is an Israeli sam that India hired Israel to do the work; no matter how you spin it.

Please don't talk about the brahmos. the only one who keep touting about the brahmos is india herself. No official statement from Vietnamese side yet.

The brahmos is the same thing. India received Russian license to produce the EXPORT version of the Orniks ie the Yakhont. Let's be clear here, the Yakhont is a downgraded export version of the Ornik. The brahmos if sold is a downgraded version of the.........brahmos itself, lol. Why would Vietnam bother buying a missile that is more downgraded than the Yakhont itself? LOL

 

[Farhan Bohra]

Yes, I had read the link before you posted the link. Barak is an Israeli sam that India hired Israel to do the work; no matter how you spin it.

Please don't talk about the brahmos. the only one who keep touting about the brahmos is india herself. No official statement from Vietnamese side yet.

The brahmos is the same thing. India received Russian license to produce the EXPORT version of the Orniks ie the Yakhont. Let's be clear here, the Yakhont is a downgraded export version of the Ornik. The brahmos if sold is a downgraded version of the.........brahmos itself, lol. Why would Vietnam bother buying a missile that is more downgraded than the Yakhont itself? LOL

I have nothing to say more

You win, I loose.

 

[hoangsa74]

I have nothing to say more

You win, I loose.

What do you win? Trying to sell Vietnam a missile that is even more downgraded than the Yakhont?