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Can you detect VN submarine’s position if 300 km away? What if the sub fires a missile when submerged? Do you have planes or sats available everywhere? Vietnamese has 6 but can increase the submarines in a short time if required. We now focus on economy not war. Besides, Indonesia submarines are too weak. One single Kilo has enough weapons onboard to give a dead blow to your naval fleet. The Kilo is designed to hit to kill. Not for parade. The sub has Kalibr, this highly maneuverable, long range cruise missiles fly at Mach 3 when approaching targets. Your surface warships have no defense against such threat. I give 50:50 chance for US and Chinese destroyers and cruisers to intercept the Kalibr. But the Kilo seldom fires one missile. At least two will be fired to overwhelm enemy air defense. Having said that reminding you to stop playing a game of provocation.


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A cruise missile will just makes it easier to detect because the subs have to stay still below the surface of the water with jet trails pointing where its last known location. The 6 subs might as well be for parade. It will not be able to pass the natuna sea defense.

Speaking of subs indonesia nagapasa class are equipped with the black shark torpedoes (best one on the market).

It can't be detected by current vietnamese sonar.
 
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Yup seeing is believing, which kinda didnt happen till now lolololololol, well i appreciate your war fantasy but I think the more sane vietnam commander up above knows better about using 6 kilo class "black hole " against indonesian Navy. They know with their limited vessels they cant do shit about those poor vietnamese thief near natuna very sorry for that,

The same exageration happened when russia decide to station s300 and s400 air defence system in syria, most junkies think that syria is safe from coalition and israeli bombardment ....which is not the case, just like any exagerated russian weaponry. Sorry
We only send coast guard ships to VN-ID disputed water, and the water cannons from guard ships cant sink any ships.

If u wanna see our kilos sink your junk ships, then sink our coast guard first. ( what is the use of sending warship but dare not fight??) so we will have a good reason to launch the attack.

If u dare not, then just get used to wt VN guard ships slamming your junk ships:cool:

A cruise missile will just makes it easier to detect because the subs have to stay still below the surface of the water with jet trails pointing where its last known location. The 6 subs might as well be for parade. It will not be able to pass the natuna sea defense.

Speaking of subs indonesia nagapasa class are equipped with the black shark torpedoes (best one on the market).

It can't be detected by current vietnamese sonar.
ID junk ships r not VN Kilos target yet cos our Kilos r usedto counter CN navy now. If u think Kilos r just for parade,then Sink our guardships in disputed zone, then wr will have good excuse to use the Kilos to attack ID. Then ID will have same fate wt Champa and Pol Pot when having Nothing to fight back Kilos destroying ID naval port :cool:
 
We only send coast guard ships to VN-ID disputed water, and the water cannons from guard ships cant sink any ships.

If u wanna see our kilos sink your junk ships, then sink our coast guard first. ( what is the use of sending warship but dare not fight??) so we will have a good reason to launch the attack.

If u dare not, then just get used to wt VN guard ships slamming your junk ships:cool:


ID junk ships r not VN Kilos target yet cos our Kilos r usedto counter CN navy now. If u think Kilos r just for parade,then Sink our guardships in disputed zone, then ID will have same fate wt Champa and Pol Pot when having Nothing to fight back Kilos destroying ID naval port:cool:
Subs don't win war, asks the german.

That means the only thing we need to do is destroy the 6 subs then vietnam is finished. Nice to know [emoji106]
 
Subs don't win war, asks the german.

That means the only thing we need to do is destroy the 6 subs then vietnam is finished. Nice to know [emoji106]
We dont need to win the war in ID-VN disputed zone, our kilos just simply stay around 300km from Natuna base then fire the misssle to destroy the port, then ID cant send any more warship to the disputed zone any more :cool:
 
We dont need to win the war in ID-VN disputed zone, our kilos just simply stay around 300km from Natuna base then fire the misssle to destroy the port, then ID cant send any more warship to the disputed zone any more :cool:
Tough luck. The natuna base are protected by the millennium aa defense system. While our MPA can find your subs & sink them.

Fun facts about the natuna its an island fortress with the infrastructure to strike at 5 different country if we so please. Think of it as an indonesian midway.
 
Great, look like we have ourselves a party going on and I'm almost late

Oh boyy its nice to be back,
whats next?vietnamese bragging about 6 Kilo class sub (meanwhile indonesia now in final stage for another 3 sub =total 8 sub), scud missile ? Lol as if it can harm our big cities LoL, T90? Well we have 100 leopards against 64 T90s

Hoahemmmm whats next viet? Those T90 will not be much help when we cuaght and burn your fishing fleet hehehehe. Peace

Oh"uhuhuhu boy" is back and us Vietnamese are shaking....because we can't fcking believe the retard actually show his face back here.

"Harm our big cities": We will level them in a forth night after dishing about 50 Club-K missiles. Reason: Indonesia still relies on handheld air-to-surface missiles/auto cannon for air defense while we have actual SAMs. What could you do to protect your cities against missile attack? Yea. NOTHING

"8 subs": Sure, fossilized Type 209 and some Chang-Bogo have a high chance against Vietnam cruise missile-capable Kilo subs. Oh wait, they don't :)

"100 leopards against 64 T90s": That is a whole new kind of stupidity you just spoke: Your Leopard are used 2A4 variant from German surplus store. Guess the year that the variant come from. A tip: it starts in 19 and end with 92 (at the latest). On the other hand, Vietnam T-90 is brand new and our variant receive benefit from 21st century technologies. Our T-90 will smoke your elderly Leopard any day of the week.

Those kilos will be easily detectable if you decided to use it in the natuna sea where we actually have the equipment there to detect submarine & vietnamese surface fleets are not even close to our capability. You guys even slapped on a ground based gun on your ship. No need to tell you how effective they'll be in combat.

We don't even have to get into Natuna to do some damages. Say hello to the missile era. "Slapped on a ground based gun on your ship"? Uh...you mean our Coast Guard ship with their Zu-23-2? Lol we use that to smash pirate boats. As if we bring those into a shooting war. In combat against foreign enemies, we rely on navy vessels with missile. Get your fact straight.

Yup seeing is believing, which kinda didnt happen till now lolololololol, well i appreciate your war fantasy but I think the more sane vietnam commander up above knows better about using 6 kilo class "black hole " against indonesian Navy. They know with their limited vessels they cant do shit about those poor vietnamese thief near natuna very sorry for that,

The same exageration happened when russia decide to station s300 and s400 air defence system in syria, most junkies think that syria is safe from coalition and israeli bombardment ....which is not the case, just like any exagerated russian weaponry. Sorry

Sure, our army cannot do much about but somehow or someway, Vietnam so far have not experienced terrorist attack and pirate raids. Oh you want to compare Vietnam Army against Indonesian Army? How about we list the number of terrorist attack in your country and mine. Let me start with some notable incidents first:

Last decade:
12 October 2002 — The coordinated bomb attacks occurred on in the tourist district of Kuta, Bali. The attack was claimed as the deadliest act of terrorism in the history of Indonesia according to the current police general, killing 202 people, (including 88 Australians, and 38 Indonesian citizens). A further 240 people were injured. Various members of Jemaah Islamiyah, a violent Islamist group, were convicted in relation to the bombings, including three individuals who were sentenced to death.

28 May 2005
Two improvised explosive devices, set to explode 15 minutes apart, detonated during the morning at a market in the center of Tentena, Central Sulawesi, killing 22 and wounding at least 40 more.

1 October 2005
— Series of suicide bomb and a series of car bombs exploded at two sites in Jimbaran Beach Resort and in Kuta, Bali. The terrorist attack claimed the lives of 20 people and injured more than 100 others. The three bombers also died in the attacks.

This decade:
9 May 2018 - Terrorism inmates in a detention center staged an riot resulting in the death of 5 police officers and one inmate. The detention center is heavily guarded compound of the local headquarters of the Mobile Brigade Corps, a paramilitary unit of the National Police, and it was guarded by elite counter-terrorism officers.

13 May 2018
- Suicide bombers, among them were a mother and her 2 kids, bombed 3 churches in Surabaya, killing and injuring dozens of people at night the bomb also shook of a apartment complex in Sidoarjo, at least 3 adults in a single apartment room were killed, while 3 children occupying the same room survived. All of them were from the same family.

14 May 2018
- Suicide bomb in police gate of City of Surabaya, At least 10 people, 4 policemen and 6 civilians, were wounded in the attack. 4 suicide bombers were killed

16 May 2018
- A police station in Pekanbaru, Riau was attacked by 5 attackers with swords. They arrived at the police station using a car. One of the attackers drove off after hitting and killing a police officer with the car, while 4 others attacked using swords which then injured 2 police officers. Four of the attackers were later killed while the driver was captured by the police.

Conclusion: Let's us applaud the effort of the Indonesian Army for doing one hell of a job in protecting their country from terrorists :) What about "terrorism in Vietnam"? Yeah, nothing. White as a sheet.

There's only tiny groups of rebels left because the vast majority have already surrendered or defeated. You don't see acehnese rebels or moluccas rebels on the news anymore.

Papua is whole different animal. The terrains there make vietnamese jungle look like nothing. That's why we can comfortably said we can beat the vietnamese during the war if we because we have experience in papua.

& no we don't use the sticks as often when the carrots works betters.
154 OPM soldiers surrendered themselves during 2017.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/nasion...pm-serahkan-diri-hasil-pendekatan-humanis-tni

https://m.detik.com/news/berita/d-3...tni-mereka-lihat-pembangunan-papua-makin-maju

There's a lot more cases like this one where hundred upon hundreds of OPM soldiers defected & not just their grunts but their generals. Mathias Wenda surrendered himselves last january.

"Vietnamese jungle look like nothing": Oh you have spent some years in Vietnamese jungle before? Because if you do, you would have know that what said is a pile of S-H-I-T. Experience ? Your experience mean NOTHING because if you know what are you doing, the fighting should stop a long time ago. Want to beat us in the Vietnam War while you could not handle a few dozens ill-equipped rebels right this moment? You must have smoked a good deal of weed to come to that half-baked conclusion: "Oh we fcking struggle right now with some rebels in Indonesia but if we got sent back in the Vietnam War, we could have won while having no experience whatsoever in dealing with with local climate, population, geography,.... "

Sound fcking hilarious on so many levels. Next thing you say would be "If we got send to Iraq back in 2014, we could have stopped the ISIS menace from the first place" lol.

Moral story: Good at killing terrorist? Then you country should be free of terrorists. Your country still have terrorists in the 21st century but you claim that you could outperform others in the pasts? Well, your military SUCKS and you are a liar. Period.


Tough luck. The natuna base are protected by the millennium aa defense system. While our MPA can find your subs & sink them.

Fun facts about the natuna its an island fortress with the infrastructure to strike at 5 different country if we so please. Think of it as an indonesian midway.

Destroys us? sink us? With what? Indonesian hope and dream?

"Millennium aa defense system": Seriously? All you get is a couple of close in defense weapon? We could have strike everything within 200 kilometer radius with missiles from surface ships, jets and submarine and you think your base is safe with a couple of CIWS lol?

What is your best anti submarine weapon right now? Moreover, you think you could get close enough to our subs to use them without being terminated by a couple of missile salvos first?

"With the infrastructure to strike at 5 different country": Oh how scary...wait, strike other countries with what? I hope you don't mean with meats of Indonesian cows lol because you could barely push yourself to contain rebels, let alone engaging in a strike again other countries.
 
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Great, look like we have ourselves a party going on and I'm almost late



Oh"uhuhuhu boy" is back and us Vietnamese are shaking....because we can't fcking believe the retard actually show his face back here.

"Harm our big cities": We will level them in a forth night after dishing about 50 Club-K missiles. Reason: Indonesia still relies on handheld air-to-surface missiles/auto cannon for air defense while we have actual SAMs. What could you do to protect your cities against missile attack? Yea. NOTHING

"8 subs": Sure, fossilized Type 209 and some Chang-Bogo have a high chance against Vietnam cruise missile-capable Kilo subs. Oh wait, they don't :)

"100 leopards against 64 T90s": That is a whole new kind of stupidity you just spoke: Your Leopard are used 2A4 variant from German surplus store. Guess the year that the variant come from. A tip: it starts in 19 and end with 92 (at the latest). On the other hand, Vietnam T-90 is brand new and our variant receive benefit from 21st century technologies. Our T-90 will smoke your elderly Leopard any day of the week.



We don't even have to get into Natuna to do some damages. Say hello to the missile era. "Slapped on a ground based gun on your ship"? Uh...you mean our Coast Guard ship with their Zu-23-2? Lol we use that to smash pirate boats. As if we bring those into a shooting war. In combat against foreign enemies, we rely on navy vessels with missile. Get your fact straight.



Sure, our army cannot do much about but somehow or someway, Vietnam so far have not experienced terrorist attack and pirate raids. Oh you want to compare Vietnam Army against Indonesian Army? How about we list the number of terrorist attack in your country and mine. Let me start with some notable incidents first:

Last decade:
12 October 2002 — The coordinated bomb attacks occurred on in the tourist district of Kuta, Bali. The attack was claimed as the deadliest act of terrorism in the history of Indonesia according to the current police general, killing 202 people, (including 88 Australians, and 38 Indonesian citizens). A further 240 people were injured. Various members of Jemaah Islamiyah, a violent Islamist group, were convicted in relation to the bombings, including three individuals who were sentenced to death.

28 May 2005
Two improvised explosive devices, set to explode 15 minutes apart, detonated during the morning at a market in the center of Tentena, Central Sulawesi, killing 22 and wounding at least 40 more.

1 October 2005
— Series of suicide bomb and a series of car bombs exploded at two sites in Jimbaran Beach Resort and in Kuta, Bali. The terrorist attack claimed the lives of 20 people and injured more than 100 others. The three bombers also died in the attacks.

This decade:
9 May 2018 - Terrorism inmates in a detention center staged an riot resulting in the death of 5 police officers and one inmate. The detention center is heavily guarded compound of the local headquarters of the Mobile Brigade Corps, a paramilitary unit of the National Police, and it was guarded by elite counter-terrorism officers.

13 May 2018
- Suicide bombers, among them were a mother and her 2 kids, bombed 3 churches in Surabaya, killing and injuring dozens of people at night the bomb also shook of a apartment complex in Sidoarjo, at least 3 adults in a single apartment room were killed, while 3 children occupying the same room survived. All of them were from the same family.

14 May 2018
- Suicide bomb in police gate of City of Surabaya, At least 10 people, 4 policemen and 6 civilians, were wounded in the attack. 4 suicide bombers were killed

16 May 2018
- A police station in Pekanbaru, Riau was attacked by 5 attackers with swords. They arrived at the police station using a car. One of the attackers drove off after hitting and killing a police officer with the car, while 4 others attacked using swords which then injured 2 police officers. Four of the attackers were later killed while the driver was captured by the police.

Conclusion: Let's us applaud the effort of the Indonesian Army for doing one hell of a job in protecting their country from terrorists :) What about "terrorism in Vietnam"? Yeah, nothing. White as a sheet.



"Vietnamese jungle look like nothing": Oh you have spent some years in Vietnamese jungle before? Because if you do, you would have know that what said is a pile of S-H-I-T. Experience ? Your experience mean NOTHING because if you know what are you doing, the fighting should stop a long time ago. Want to beat us in the Vietnam War while you could not handle a few dozens ill-equipped rebels right this moment? You must have smoked a good deal of weed to come to that half-baked conclusion: "Oh we fcking struggle right now with some rebels in Indonesia but if we got sent back in the Vietnam War, we could have won while having no experience whatsoever in dealing with with local climate, population, geography,.... "

Sound fcking hilarious on so many levels. Next thing you say would be "If we got send to Iraq back in 2014, we could have stopped the ISIS menace from the first place" lol.

Moral story: Good at killing terrorist? Then you country should be free of terrorists. Your country still have terrorists in the 21st century but you claim that you could outperform others in the pasts? Well, your military SUCKS and you are a liar. Period.




Destroys us? sink us? With what? Indonesian hope and dream?

"Millennium aa defense system": Seriously? All you get is a couple of close in defense weapon? We could have strike everything within 200 kilometer radius with missiles from surface ships, jets and submarine and you think your base is safe with a couple of CIWS lol?

What is your best anti submarine weapon right now? Moreover, you think you could get close enough to our subs to use them without being terminated by a couple of missile salvos first?

"With the infrastructure to strike at 5 different country": Oh how scary...wait, strike other countries with what? I hope you don't mean with meats of Indonesian cows lol because you could barely push yourself to contain rebels, let alone engaging in a strike again other countries.
Bhuahahahaha Ouhhhhh yes, with your limited arsenals of kalibr crusie missile Im sure your military planners must've consisted of defence pk forumers lol.

Sure nice to know how 50 cruise missile is a considered a thing, hahahahaha
 
Great, look like we have ourselves a party going on and I'm almost late



Oh"uhuhuhu boy" is back and us Vietnamese are shaking....because we can't fcking believe the retard actually show his face back here.

"Harm our big cities": We will level them in a forth night after dishing about 50 Club-K missiles. Reason: Indonesia still relies on handheld air-to-surface missiles.auto cannon for air defense while we have actual SAMs. What could you do to protect your cities against missile attack? Yea. NOTHING

"8 subs": Sure, fossilized Type 209 and some Chang-Bogo have a high chance against Vietnam cruise missile-capable Kilo subs. Oh wait, they don't :)

"100 leopards against 64 T90s": That is a whole new kind of stupidity you just spoke: Your Leopard are used 2A4 variant from German surplus store. Guess the year that the variant come from. A tip: it starts in 19 and end with 92 (at the latest). On the other hand, Vietnam T-90 is brand new and our variant receive benefit from 21st century technologies. Our T-90 will some your elderly Leopard any day of the week.



We don't even have to get into Natuna to do some damages. Say hello to the missile era. "Slapped on a ground based gun on your ship"? Uh...you mean our Coast Guard ship with their Zu-23-2? Lol we use that to smash pirate boats. as if we bring those into a shooting war. In combat against foreign enemies, we rely on navy vessels with missile. Get your fact straight.



Sure, our army cannot do much about but somehow or someway, Vietnam so far have not experienced terrorist attack and pirate raids. Oh you want to compare Vietnam Army against Indonesian Army? How about we list the number of terrorist attack in your country and mine. Let me start with some notable incidents first:

Last decade:
12 October 2002 — The coordinated bomb attacks occurred on in the tourist district of Kuta, Bali. The attack was claimed as the deadliest act of terrorism in the history of Indonesia according to the current police general, killing 202 people, (including 88 Australians, and 38 Indonesian citizens). A further 240 people were injured. Various members of Jemaah Islamiyah, a violent Islamist group, were convicted in relation to the bombings, including three individuals who were sentenced to death.

28 May 2005
Two improvised explosive devices, set to explode 15 minutes apart, detonated during the morning at a market in the center of Tentena, Central Sulawesi, killing 22 and wounding at least 40 more.

1 October 2005
— Series of suicide bomb and a series of car bombs exploded at two sites in Jimbaran Beach Resort and in Kuta, Bali. The terrorist attack claimed the lives of 20 people and injured more than 100 others. The three bombers also died in the attacks.

This decade:
9 May 2018
- Terrorism inmates in a detention center staged an riot resulting in the death of 5 police officers and one inmate. The detention center is heavily guarded compound of the local headquarters of the Mobile Brigade Corps, a paramilitary unit of the National Police, and it was guarded by elite counter-terrorism officers.

13 May 2018
- Suicide bombers, among them were a mother and her 2 kids, bombed 3 churches in Surabaya, killing and injuring dozens of people at night the bomb also shook of a apartment complex in Sidoarjo, at least 3 adults in a single apartment room were killed, while 3 children occupying the same room survived. All of them were from the same family.

14 May 2018
- Suicide bomb in police gate of City of Surabaya, At least 10 people, 4 policemen and 6 civilians, were wounded in the attack. 4 suicide bombers were killed

16 May 2018
- A police station in Pekanbaru, Riau was attacked by 5 attackers with swords. They arrived at the police station using a car. One of the attackers drove off after hitting and killing a police officer with the car, while 4 others attacked using swords which then injured 2 police officers. Four of the attackers were later killed while the driver was captured by the police.

Conclusion: Let's us applaud the effort of the Indonesian Army for doing one hell of a job in protecting their country :)



"vietnamese jungle look like nothing": Oh you have spent some years in Vietnamese jungle before? Because if you do, you would have know that what said is a pile of S-H-I-T. ? Experience ? Your experience mean NOTHING because if you know what are you doing, the fighting should stop a long time ago. Want to beat us in the Vietnam War while you could not handle a few dozens ill-equipped rebels right this moment? You must have smoked a good deal of weed to come to that half-baked conclusion: "Oh we fcking struggle right now with some rebels but if we got sent back in the Vietnam War, we could have won"

Sound facking hilarious on so many level

You mean a monkey model t-90 equipped with inferior Mango round?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_variants_of_Soviet_military_equipment

Look up at my earlier post in the same thread & ask viet about it. I already educated him & the rest about how soviet armor are inferior compared to the west.

Meanwhile we have Leopard 2RI/A6 equiped with the best available DM53 round.

Except Natuna is the only exception. if Vietnam want to do anything to indonesia it have to pass the Natuna sea & airspace. (An impossible task)
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I don't need to know vietnamese jungle personally to know that it is nothing compared to the Papuan jungle. Compared to the papuan VC is easy.
 
Anyway as i use to say, wishful thinking will not help you turn the situation your illegal fisherman face. So sad huhuhuhu

You mean a monkey model t-90 equipped with inferior Mango round?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_variants_of_Soviet_military_equipment

Meanwhile we have Leopard 2RI/A6 equiped with the best available DM53 round.

Except Natuna is the only exception. if Vietnam want to do anything to indonesia it have to pass the Natuna sea & airspace. (An impossible task)
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I don't need to know vietnamese jungle personally to know that it is nothing compared to the Papuan jungle. Compared to the papuan VC is easy.
No need to be serious with viet forumers, they live in an ultimate fantasy world, where they can win wars with scud, t90,kilo class subs, and 3000+++ anyi ship missile lol.

Russian weapons looks nice on paper, just look at how russian AD system perform against NATO and israeli attack insyria,

Tough luck. The natuna base are protected by the millennium aa defense system. While our MPA can find your subs & sink them.

Fun facts about the natuna its an island fortress with the infrastructure to strike at 5 different country if we so please. Think of it as an indonesian midway.
Those viet forgot that indonesia is now in the process of installing seabed sonar system
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BhAB&usg=AOvVaw1lz68L2uZNQRMB9buLa5Ky&ampcf=1

Their kilo will be easily located and destroyed

Can you detect VN submarine’s position if 300 km away? What if the sub fires a missile when submerged? Do you have planes or sats available everywhere? Vietnamese has 6 but can increase the submarines in a short time if required. We now focus on economy not war. Besides, Indonesia submarines are too weak. One single Kilo has enough weapons onboard to give a dead blow to your naval fleet. The Kilo is designed to hit to kill. Not for parade. The sub has Kalibr, this highly maneuverable, long range cruise missiles fly at Mach 3 when approaching targets. Your surface warships have no defense against such threat. I give 50:50 chance for US and Chinese destroyers and cruisers to intercept the Kalibr. But the Kilo seldom fires one missile. At least two will be fired to overwhelm enemy air defense. Having said that reminding you to stop playing a game of provocation.


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I remember you're the same guy who thinks (more likely fantasized)that mig 21 could carry rbs 15 lol
 
Anyway as i use to say, wishful thinking will not help you turn the situation your illegal fisherman face. So sad huhuhuhu


No need to be serious with viet forumers, they live in an ultimate fantasy world, where they can win wars with scud, t90,kilo class subs, and 3000+++ anyi ship missile lol.

Russian weapons looks nice on paper, just look at how russian AD system perform against NATO and israeli attack insyria,
Not to mention a lot of their weapons are non-operational. One of those bloggers that get arrested. Forgot whom. Posted online about how squadron of SU-27 is left decaying in a hangar. This is of course angered the vietnamese authority which led to him being arrested. This however shows that vietnam intentionally padded the numbers of their arsenal by counting non-operational or non-functional to show they have a much larger number of weapons than they actually have.

But it also explains why vietnam managed to have such a large army. With such a small economy. This means in war maybe around 70% is actually operational at the best case while 50% or so at the very worst case.

So Beating vietnam might be a breeze after all.
 
Not to mention a lot of their weapons are non-operational. One of those bloggers that get arrested. Forgot whom. Posted online about how squadron of SU-27 is left decaying in a hangar. This is of course angered the vietnamese authority which led to him being arrested. This however shows that vietnam intentionally padded the numbers of their arsenal by counting non-operational or non-functional to show they have a much larger number of weapons than they actually have.

But it also explains why vietnam managed to have such a large army. With such a small economy. This means in war maybe around 70% is actually operational at the best case while 50% or so at the very worst case.

So Beating vietnam might be a breeze after all.
Because acc to them economic development=6 Kilo class submarine lol

Cmon vietnamese members here, we both know that there will be no war whatsoever and the only thing that will actually continue to happen is the increasing number of illegal vietnamese and other nation fishing vessels got blown up.....is that so hard for you to understand?
 
Not to mention a lot of their weapons are non-operational. One of those bloggers that get arrested. Forgot whom. Posted online about how squadron of SU-27 is left decaying in a hangar. This is of course angered the vietnamese authority which led to him being arrested. This however shows that vietnam intentionally padded the numbers of their arsenal by counting non-operational or non-functional to show they have a much larger number of weapons than they actually have.

But it also explains why vietnam managed to have such a large army. With such a small economy. This means in war maybe around 70% is actually operational at the best case while 50% or so at the very worst case.

So Beating vietnam might be a breeze after all.
Ah oh. Actually our fishing boast and guard ships r harrashing ID warships in disputed zone EVERYDAY and taking away tons of nice fish, carb, lobster etc ..while ID warship still dare not shooot

There r thousand VN fishing boats fishing in ID-VN disputed zone EVERYDAY and luring tons of fishing,crab etc from ID water to the disputed zone and sell to EU-CN-JP etc for lots of money :cool:

Because acc to them economic development=6 Kilo class submarine lol

Cmon vietnamese members here, we both know that there will be no war whatsoever and the only thing that will actually continue to happen is the increasing number of illegal vietnamese and other nation fishing vessels got blown up.....is that so hard for you to understand?
Yeah. Thats why I dont care much abt disputing bween VN-ID in disputed water. But some ID guys here love trolling in VN defence theard, then lets start trolling each other :laugh:
 
Anyway as i use to say, wishful thinking will not help you turn the situation your illegal fisherman face. So sad huhuhuhu


No need to be serious with viet forumers, they live in an ultimate fantasy world, where they can win wars with scud, t90,kilo class subs, and 3000+++ anyi ship missile lol.

I remember you're the same guy who thinks (more likely fantasized)that mig 21 could carry rbs 15 lol
Did I say that? Not Mig21, more a role for Su22. Vietnam’s Mig21 usually plays the role as interceptor, or attacker in ambush. It’s well documented in Vietnam war, the air battles over North Vietnam.
A pair of Mig21 fly in advance with a Mig21 in camouflage flies in ambush position behind.


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Bhuahahahaha Ouhhhhh yes, with your limited arsenals of kalibr crusie missile Im sure your military planners must've consisted of defence pk forumers lol.

Sure nice to know how 50 cruise missile is a considered a thing, hahahahaha

For ones that have nothing to defense against missile attack, 50 cruise missiles is enough to cripple cities after cities :) I'm also sure that your military planner never satisfied with annexing Papua so they send out crooks like you to crash people thread, "Uhuhuhuh" boy.

You mean a monkey model t-90 equipped with inferior Mango round?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_variants_of_Soviet_military_equipment

Look up at my earlier post in the same thread & ask viet about it. I already educated him & the rest about how soviet armor are inferior compared to the west.

Meanwhile we have Leopard 2RI/A6 equiped with the best available DM53 round.

Except Natuna is the only exception. if Vietnam want to do anything to indonesia it have to pass the Natuna sea & airspace. (An impossible task)

Oh I don't know you could access our T-90s? Wait, you are making unsubstantiated claims again :) We use export variant? Well I bet stripped down Leopard fare well against Soviet weapon then? Just a minute, oh no, Turkish Leopard got smoke by Cold War era Fagot ATGM, a signature Soviet weapon. And those Turkish Leopard are far newer models than the mothballed Leopard 2 your Indonesian could muster.

Not to mention a lot of their weapons are non-operational. One of those bloggers that get arrested. Forgot whom. Posted online about how squadron of SU-27 is left decaying in a hangar. This is of course angered the vietnamese authority which led to him being arrested. This however shows that vietnam intentionally padded the numbers of their arsenal by counting non-operational or non-functional to show they have a much larger number of weapons than they actually have.

But it also explains why vietnam managed to have such a large army. With such a small economy. This means in war maybe around 70% is actually operational at the best case while 50% or so at the very worst case.

So Beating vietnam might be a breeze after al

Lol come from people that could lost soldiers after soldiers against ill-equipped rebels. How convenient that your bring out news about "non-operational Vietnamese Su-27 " but also "forgot" the source. I also read a article about "ill-disciplined" Indonesian submarine crew with such a low level of training that lead to quite a few fatal incidents. Some sources even claim that Indonesian soldiers are more adept at shooting against unarmed protesters than fighting rebels. My fellow country use a credible source about the state of Indonesian Navy but I know things are worse in the Air Force. I hope that you don't want me to bring out my sources as well? Since you don't bother with your?

"70% is actually operational at the best case while 50% or so at the very worst case" I guess the FSB, CIA, MI6 should hire you because you could predict the total readiness of Vietnam People Army equipment without spending a single day in the VPA.

....Wait, you are here in a little-know defense forum instead of serving in a high level government capacity? That means most of your predictions happen to be TRASHES :b Totally nail it. Instead of posting your "imagination" in our thread, put your words into a novels and sell them to some Indonesian fools to make them feel better about their pathetic country.

Strong Indonesia: Hundreds dead and thousands wounded due to terrorists. Ongoing insurrection.
Weak Vietnam: No dead due to terrorist. No insurrection.

Yeah sure keep dreaming about beating us Vietnamese but the world already know the performance of Indonesian soldiers again the Papua rebels. To think losers that unable to keep their country in peace in the 21 st century dare to claim that they can beat Vietnam People Army in the Vietnam War and nowadays? Not to mention that they have no idea about capacity of Vietnam Armed Forces? What you Indonesian have is a unrealistic dream that might get foiled by future attack from Papua rebels. Want to make a bet that more Indonesian would lose their lives in the incoming months?

When you are capable of beating actual military units, there is still a chance that you might experience difficulty fighting rebels. However, if you could not handle rebels, you never would be able to defeat organized armies. Period.

So anyway, have fun "winning" in Papua for, I don't know, another 50 years ?

Because acc to them economic development=6 Kilo class submarine lol

Cmon vietnamese members here, we both know that there will be no war whatsoever and the only thing that will actually continue to happen is the increasing number of illegal vietnamese and other nation fishing vessels got blown up.....is that so hard for you to understand?

I think that you mind must have lost a screw or two, "uhuhuhuhu" boy. The purchase of sophisticated military equipment IS the sign of economic development. Count how many country in the world could afford a modern fleet of submarine that is larger than 6 as well as holding a standing army of hundreds of thousands of man. I recall that even Indonesia have to trade palm oil for some Su-35? Man that sound powerful.

And if my mind work correctly:
  • It was YOU that crashed into our thread screaming about an incident between VCG and Indonesian Navy FIRST. The tongue you use in that very first post was far from wanting to share information. You wanted to boast about the incident as an achievement. Not mention that this is a Vietnam military thread, not "Whatever Vietnam". Your actions indicate that you are a stuck-up A-S-S-H-O-L-E which fail read the name of the thread before posting something completely irrelevant.
  • It was YOU that threaten us with military action (a.k.a war) FIRST. Don't talk as if we Vietnamese member in the PDF was the ones that start all of this war story shiet.
  • It was YOU that made joke out of Vietnam People Army and messed with the death of Vietnamese soldiers FIRST. After that, it's simply natural for the Vietnamese in here to bring up the "ultra lame" performance of the Indonesian in Papua. The body count in Papua is around 27 (3 soldiers, 24 civilians) right now, excluding rebels so as to make you feel better. But bet you mother A-S-S it will go up soon.
Not only you Indonesian want to play innocence but you guys want to pin the blame on us? FCK. THAT. S-H-I-T. UHUHUHUH BOY.
 
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For ones that have nothing to defense against missile attack, 50 cruise missiles is enough to cripple cities after cities :) I'm also sure that your military planner never satisfied with annexing Papua so they send out crooks like you to crash people thread, "Uhuhuhuh" boy.



Oh I don't know you could access our T-90s? Wait, you are making unsubstantiated claims again :) We use export variant? Well I bet stripped down Leopard fare well against Soviet weapon then? Just a minute, oh no, Turkish Leopard got smoke by Cold War era Fagot ATGM, a signature Soviet weapon. And those Turkish Leopard are far newer models than the mothballed Leopard 2 your Indonesian could muster.



Lol come from people that could lost soldiers after soldiers against ill-equipped rebels. How convenient that your bring out news about "non-operational Vietnamese Su-27 " but also "forgot" the source. I also read a article about "ill-disciplined" Indonesian submarine crew with such a low level of training that lead to quite a few fatal incidents. Some sources even claim that Indonesian soldiers are more adept at shooting against unarmed protesters than fighting rebels. My fellow country use a credible source about the state of Indonesian Navy but I know things are worse in the Air Force. I hope that you don't want me to bring out my sources as well? Since you don't bother with your?

"70% is actually operational at the best case while 50% or so at the very worst case" I guess the FSB, CIA, MI6 should hire you because you could predict the total readiness of Vietnam People Army equipment without spending a single day in the VPA.

....Wait, you are here in a little-know defense forum instead of serving in a high level government capacity? That means most of your predictions happen to be TRASHES :b Totally nail it. Instead of posting your "imagination" in our thread, put your words into a novels and sell them to some Indonesian fools to make them feel better about their pathetic country.

Strong Indonesia: Hundreds dead and thousands wounded due to terrorists. Ongoing insurrection.
Weak Vietnam: No dead due to terrorist. No insurrection.

Yeah sure keep dreaming about beating us Vietnamese but the world already know the performance of Indonesian soldiers again the Papua rebels. To think losers that unable to keep their country in peace in the 21 st century dare to claim that they can beat Vietnam People Army in the Vietnam War and nowadays? Not to mention that they have no idea about capacity of Vietnam Armed Forces? What you Indonesian have is a unrealistic dream that might get foiled by future attack from Papua rebels. Want to make a bet that more Indonesian would lose their lives in the incoming months?

When you are capable of beating actual military units, there is still a chance that you might experience difficulty fighting rebels. However, if you could not handle rebels, you never would be able to defeat organized armies. Period.

So anyway, have fun "winning" in Papua for, I don't know, another 50 years ?



I think that you mind must have lost a screw or two, "uhuhuhuhu" boy. The purchase of sophisticated military equipment IS the sign of economic development. Count how many country in the world could afford a modern fleet of submarine that is larger than 6 as well as holding a standing army of hundreds of thousands of man. I recall that even Indonesia have to trade palm oil for some Su-35? Man that sound powerful.

And if my mind work correctly:
  • It was YOU that crashed into our thread screaming about an incident between VCG and Indonesian Navy FIRST. The tongue you use in that very first post was far from wanting to share information. You wanted to boast about the incident as an achievement. Not mention that this is a Vietnam military thread, not "Whatever Vietnam". Your actions indicate that you are a stuck-up A-S-S-H-O-L-E which fail read the name of the thread before posting something completely irrelevant.
  • It was YOU that threaten us with military action (a.k.a war) FIRST. Don't talk as if we Vietnamese member in the PDF was the ones that start all of this war story shiet.
  • It was YOU that made joke out of Vietnam People Army and messed with the death of Vietnamese soldiers FIRST. After that, it's simply natural for the Vietnamese in here to bring up the "ultra lame" performance of the Indonesian in Papua. The body count in Papua is around 27 (3 soldiers, 24 civilians) right now, excluding rebels so as to make you feel better. But bet you mother A-S-S it will go up soon.
Not only you Indonesian want to play innocence but you guys want to pin the blame on us? FCK. THAT. S-H-I-T. UHUHUHUH BOY.
Still have to pass through the Natuna island though...

Those turkish model were refurbished Swiss Leo A1 model & erdogan refused to use infantry support during the incursion leading to the destroyed tanks. It's political decision not military that destroyed the tanks.

Monkey models are quite real unfortunately for you. It's no secret that Russia doesn't give their best products away. Ask the indians & Iraqis or better yet ask your servicemen.

The Mango apfsds are easy to guess because its the rounds they export & the same one india's have & producing under license. They sure as hell not going to give you their lekalo or svinets.

Ou contraire beating organized army are way easier than rebels. Just look at Afghanistan. The soviets get assraped by bunch goat herders & so does the US... I don't see anyone questioning both of their capabilities to wage war.

Just because vietnam is peaceful it doesn't mean anything. Slovakia is peaceful doesn't mean its better than israel or india. Indonesia is regional power with a global reach while vietnam is grateful just for having more golf course.

Iraqi under saddam had a large military... So you pretty much compared your country to iraq. A large military with shoddy weapons & tactics. Nice going there.

Vietnam lying about their military inventory is pretty much open secret. Everybody in the military circle knows about it. Those thousands of tanks that vietnam supposedly have are mostly legacies even going back as ww2 & not even in working condition. They just kept it there to pad out the numbers. So who's to say they don't keep counts of jets or ships that way. I mean after all if I'm lying you can just check it with your government. After all they don't arrest citizens concerned with the state of the military or do they? [emoji5]
 
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