Ok let's analyze words by words
The virtue signaling is strong here. Our human rights & everything else still better than yours. According to every parameter. So what that makes vietnam then?
"Every parameter"? You want to tell that to people in Ache and Papua right this moment? Consider what happen at those region right now, I dare say plenty of people there would disagree but I guess their opinion is irrelevant to you, right?
Want a single piece of proof that Vietnam is better than Indonesia? BLOOD. Count how many Indonesian got slaughtered by Indonesia military and see the result. You could search "every parameter" you could get but you would find nothing about Vietnam security force open fire with live munition and rubber bullet on our people. Tear gas is as far as we dare to go but Indonesia, you guys sure get trigger happy from time to time.
Of all people you guys seems to forget about how difficult guerilla warfare is. Also we can't use heavy artillery since east timor due to the civilian government restriction. FYI we're winning anyway so why brought this up? Seems kinda pointless.
Vietnamese (including me) know everything that need to be known about "guerilla warfare". Guess what? The performance of Indonesian army still look kind of S-H-I-T.
"Winning"? As i recall, you guys have been "winning" in Papua for no less than 30 years. Every once in a while? Indonesia like "Peace is within reach", "The final rebels have been exterminated", "We have won the heart and mind of people in Papua",... Forget my directness but that sound lamer and lamer every time.
And people in glass house shouldn't throw rock. The Vietnamese navy lost a naval skirmish in the 80s against chinese on speed boats. I think the you guys take the cake on incompetence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_South_Reef_Skirmish
Vietnamese casualty:
- 64 killed
-11 wounded
-9 captured
-2 armed transporters sunk
-1 landing craft destroyed
China's:
-1 wounded. (Womp, womp)
let me remind you again the chinese was on speadboats.
Uh... sorry? I already tell you our soldier in that battle are pioneer with construction equipment, not front line troops with heavy weapon. With their sacrifice, we managed to secure our territory in the Spratly Island. Can't say the same about Indonesian soldiers that die in the 21st century in Papua as they keep dying and the situation remain unchanged.
Plus, that thing happen the 1980s which is the last time we lost troops in skirmishes. Comparing a 1980s skirmish that end long ago to ongoing insurrection? You sense of time sure is good. Indonesian noways? Your troops keep stocking the body bag again and again and again and again... When will the killing end? NEVER. Since the 21st century Indonesia army SUCKS compared to the 21st century Vietnam Army when it come to dealing with terrorists. We could even go through the list of terror attack of both countries to prove that at least.
Look we all know you don't fool anyone here. You don't give a damn about the plight of human rights or indonesian in general. Especially when vietnam is already a human right basket case.
The real reason you use the human right cards is because you lost an argument on the legality of vietnam fishing in our territory.
Why don't you just admit it. After all who are you trying to convince the vietnamese members here are more or less are just bunch of degenerates that couldn't care less about human rights especially. The indonesians don't care because they know you're faking it. Know your audience
Well you get at least one thing right there: WE. DON'T. GIVE. ONE. FCK . ABOUT INDONESIA
This is the Vietnam Military Thread and believe me when I say we are pretty mellow fellows. We rarely go out of our way to crash the thread of others because of something flare up in the SCS. Did you see us go ham on the Indonesian in the forum because you unleash live ammunition near our Coast Guard?
No, we think "S-H-I-T happen, let's the officials sort it out". But guess what, Indonesian like you bash into our thread, pump your chest and scream: "Check out the coward Vietnamese. We shoot your boats. IN. YOUR. FACE". As usual, Indonesian unleash the first shot and as if we Vietnamese will let thing go the way you please.
"Lost an argument": I haven't lost crap. You "uhuhuhu" friend with slow-developed brain turn tail before I get to the bottom of things with him. You, on the other hand, insist that you side of story is always right. That is not an argument. That is you telling me to accept your point view and submit myself to your logic. AS IF THAT COULD WORK!
"more or less are just bunch of degenerates": Right, degenerates that have to welcome Indonesia "friends" that pop out from nowhere and crash our thread. You want us to serve milk and cookie? Beside, being called "degenerates" by people from a country that lock people in the same cage with snake, prosecute people because of a song and beat up minority ethic seem pretty amusing.
"The Indonesians don't care": You guys don't care about human right in Indonesia because that would admit that you guys run a freaking terrific government against other minorities. Sadly, people look over that every now and then so guess what they see? A pile of S-H-I-T
We have an MPA designed for sub warfare & a better navy & airforce compared to yours. So really go ahead, shoot if you dare.
Better than the Vietnam military in every regard...except the ability to stop dying in front of rebels armed with decade old rifles, right? Man that is one hell of a feat for the almighty Indonesian army with all of their "MPA designed for sub warfare & a better navy & airforce". Gosh to say that the such a invincible got their *** kicked by Papua rebels would be a unthinkable....Wait, they did die to the Papua rebels
Now if you have your fill, kindly fck off. Create a fcking thread to brag about the superiority of Indonesian army against rebel and Vietnam fisherman. Our thread is not the place for you boast about what kind of dick Indonesian are.
Vietnam 9th Division recently receive a visit of the Indianian military delegation
