Vietnam Defence Forum

[Silent Knight]

what kind fun do you want? hehee

You can ask @Carlosa , he knew well

 

[Carlosa]

Do you know how long their ship had been under construction? Do you since when they started using their own 'indigenous' steel? Do you before 2014, all Indian warship were made from 'IMPORTED' steel? Compare with China those naval subsystems and see which is indigenous. They commissioned the nuclear sub? They haven't even sort out the problems with the sub. China had been building nuclear subs for the past 30-40 years on our own. How much of the sub is even indigenous. They don't even have a semicon fab for god's sake. Where are those chips in the subsystems made in? The AESA radar for example, you need a foundry from those chips, you get it?

I know about all of that very well, I follow closely what they do and until recently I also thought that it was just one more problem / delay after another, but they turned the corner, they finally got it together and now the ships are coming out. The nuclear sub is in sea trials and doing fine. The carrier under construction is almost finished. They are advancing very fast, not at the same rate in all fields, but they are advancing fast. I'm telling you again, they are tailing you and you better get used to that man.

You can ask @Carlosa , he knew well

@MacanJawa Just give SK a SU-27 to play with and he'll be your best friend.... Oh and don't forget a cute Indonesian girl........ and a few beers......

 

[MacanJawa]

I know about all of that very well, I follow closely what they do and until recently I also thought that it was just one more problem / delay after another, but they turned the corner, they finally got it together and now the ships are coming out. The nuclear sub is in sea trials and doing fine. The carrier under construction is almost finished. They are advancing very fast, not at the same rate in all fields, but they are advancing fast. I'm telling you again, they are tailing you and you better get used to that man.



@MacanJawa Just give SK a SU-27 to play with and he'll be your best friend.... Oh and don't forget a cute Indonesian girl........ and a few beers......

wkwkwkkwk SU 27 is outdated man lets buy new version SU 35

 

[Silent Knight]

I'm too old for that shit, give me a Su-30SM instead.

 

[Carlosa]

wkwkwkkwk SU 27 is outdated man lets buy new version SU 35

I guess he'll make a sacrifice and accept the SU-35, but make sure that it has 2 seats and the copilot is the Miss Indonesia, ok?

Edit: O.k. then, SU-30 SM it will be.......

 

[GS Zhou]

You still unable to grasp the fact that, Vietnam got the backing of US, Japan, UK, France, Russia etc etc. If Israel able to spend 15% of GDP toward defence, then why not Vietnam?

I don't know where you get the figure of Israel spending 15% of its GDP on defense. But at least according to the database of SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute), Israel spends about 6% GDP on military. Given the huge gap between 6% vs. 15%, pls show us the proof of the 15% spending rate. Thanks!

BTW, even Iraq spends less than 10% of the GDP on military. So, a true friend to Vietnam will never advises Vietnam to spend 15% of its GDP on military.

 

[GS Zhou]

You seem to be a lazy guy as I notice you re-use the same texts. Haven't you noticed it? Try harder. I already read your post with nearly the same content elsewhere.

The gap between China and Vietnam in terms of military spending, GDP, and military vs. GDP rate, are unfortunately the core foundations for any discussion on China Military vs. Vietnam Military. I know you don't like the comparison in such way, but that's the hardcore truth that none of us could ignore.

Do you think we should pay more attention to education?

Yes. every country needs to spend more on education. No matter it is developed country like Germany or US, or developing country like Vietnam or China.

By the way, within ASEAN we have the highest percentage of government spendings on health and education. What do you think why Vietnam always scores high in Pisa ranking? Why Vietnam health system doesn't need to hide before others in the region?

Congratulations to your achievement on health and education. Truly happy for our Vietnam friends!!

But please keep in mind that, the reason for Vietnam to make progress on education or health is because of your government's consecutive spending on the two areas. Your government puts the military spending on an appropriate rate (2.3% to GDP), so it could get the money to spend on other more important areas, i.e. education, or health.

But if one day the budget on education/health cut significantly for more military resources (you even want your government to spend all its tax revenue on military!!), do you still think the health/education system of Vietnam could operate smoothly?? Yes yes, you live in Germany, so a deterioration on education/health in Vietnam will NOT influence you at all.

I am thinking Vietnam should acquire strategic weapon. Israel has nuclear weapons for her own survival as the Arab states threaten her with total annihilation. China as evidenced here as many Chinese posters threaten us with annihilation of the Viet race.

Firstly, I never mentioned anything about nuke Vietnam. In fact, I said on PDF multiple times that PLA's nuclear weapons are not developed for our neighbors. I don't think I should be blamed for the words that I've never said. So pls don't be anger towards me about this.

Secondly, I personally don't care much that you now put a new toy: nuclear weapons, to the shopping list of Vietnam. Let me count the shopping plans you've made for Vietnam on this thread: better and more submarines; better/more/larger ships with more/better missiles; radars for different ranges/heights; air defense missiles for different ranges/heights; better and more fighters; better and more tanks; better and more canons... Now you just add one more thing to the long list. That's nothing surprise to me. But I'm just very curious to know, how can the 5bn defense budget to support all your great plans??

 

[Viet]

nice, can be mounted on vehicle?

I think yes Not a problem at all

Look at this. S-125 missiles normally fixed on a ground, but it can be installed on a truck.

 

[Jlaw]

Do you know how long their ship had been under construction? Do you since when they started using their own 'indigenous' steel? Do you before 2014, all Indian warship were made from 'IMPORTED' steel? Compare with China those naval subsystems and see which is indigenous. They commissioned the nuclear sub? They haven't even sort out the problems with the sub. China had been building nuclear subs for the past 30-40 years on our own. How much of the sub is even indigenous. They don't even have a semicon fab for god's sake. Where are those chips in the subsystems made in? The AESA radar for example, you need a foundry from those chips, you get it?

bro, no need to lecture the Vietnamese or Indians. Just let them be.
醒来傻人是不可取的

 

[pr1v4t33r]

BTW, even Iraq spends less than 10% of the GDP on military. So, a true friend to Vietnam will never advises Vietnam to spend 15% of its GDP on military.

They simply can't. Vietnam government budget is only around $36 Billion a year, that's 18% of their GDP. So spending 15% of GDP only for defense is out of reach.

 

[Viet]

I guess he'll make a sacrifice and accept the SU-35, but make sure that it has 2 seats and the copilot is the Miss Indonesia, ok?

Edit: O.k. then, SU-30 SM it will be.......

I believe su-35 is a single seater, isn't?
And sis mardo rather prefers men in a main battle tank

 

[Carlosa]

I believe su-35 is a single seater, isn't?
And sis mardo rather prefers men in a main battle tank

I'm sure there has to be a trainer version that has 2 seats.

Who is talking about sis mado? I said a cute Indonesian girl and that also means someone nice, so right there she is out.........

 

[Viet]

I'm sure there has to be a trainer version that has 2 seats.

Who is talking about sis mado? I said a cute Indonesian girl and that also means someone nice, so right there she is out.........

Autsch...

 

[Carlosa]

How Vietnamese marines are trained

http://tuoitrenews.vn/politics/35997/how-vietnamese-marines-are-trained

TUOI TRE NEWS

UPDATED : 07/22/2016

Tasked with protecting and reclaiming Vietnam’s islands in the event of foreign invasion, Vietnam’s marines train in extreme conditions, pushing themselves far beyond their limit.

The Vietnamese marine force is one of the country’s most elite military units, mastering both sea and land combat in preparation for the defense of Vietnam’s maritime sovereignty.

“A marine is responsible for mastering many skills. The competent operation of a wide range of weapons and equipment, swimming in force 6 winds, understanding weather conditions at sea, and developing top-tier stamina are just a few of our requirements,” said Lieutenant Colonel Duong Chi Nguyen, political commissar of Vietnam’s marine battalion 863.

‘Cool’ and ‘dope’

Returning from nearly 20 days of training after traveling over 60 kilometers while carrying almost 40 kilograms of weapons and ammunition, Sergeant Nguyen Van Bich, 24, still managed to keep a broad smile on his face while talking about his life as a marine.

“It’s definitely strenuous, but there’s a feeling of great pride and confidence that follows, like you’ve just conquered the impossible,” Bich said happily.

After carrying marine-exclusive riffles, bulletproof vests, combat helmets, and other military equipment for the first time, the Gen-Y soldier described the marine look as “cool” and “dope.”

Bich earned a bachelor’s degree from the Ho Chi Minh City University of Technology (HUTECH), but decided to follow his dream of becoming a soldier, enlisting himself in the Vietnamese army upon graduation.

After two months of rookie training, Bich volunteered for the army’s marine force, where he received additional six-month intensive training before being officially sworn into the unit.

Where strength is measured by willpower

The faint hearted have no place in Vietnam’s marine force. Soldiers are put on strict training schedules that focus on pushing the limits of human endurance.

Three kilometers is the minimum distance rookies are expected to be able to swim non-stop, though many soldiers start from zero as they never learnt to swim before joining the army.

Weak swimmers, such as Sergeant Huynh Mai Bao Duong, 25, take extra swimming sessions with his senior to catch up with the rest.

“I practice day and night, even during breaks and Sundays, for I don’t want to be the only one holding the whole team back,” Duong said.

The sergeant said that swimming in formation at sea is extremely difficult but necessary to maintain tactical spacing from other soldiers while battling big waves and strong winds.

The Vietnamese marines’ training grounds are the sea and the vast sand dunes under the scorching sun.

“In this hot weather, merely sitting under the sun on the sand dunes for a day is beyond endurance,” Lieutenant Colonel Duong Chi Nguyen said.

Nguyen said the condition is even worse at sea, when the searing sensation is intensified in salt water.

“Many soldiers have their skins peeled off in large patches and darkened to the tone of their facial hair after returning from long amphibious drills,” Nguyen added.

Temperatures on the training grounds can reach up to 41 degrees Celsius, according to the lieutenant colonel, during which time training starts half an hour earlier than normal.

Many rookies, unfamiliar with the intensity of the training, have passed out during long-distance marches, or simply from sitting in tactical training sessions under the sun.

During such times, a medical vehicle is always ready to respond and care for the soldiers, according to the lieutenant colonel.

“That being said, after five to six months of training, the marines can march for 15 to 20 kilometers non-stop on the worst day,” Nguyen said.

With such intensive training, mere health and strength are not enough to keep soldiers in the game.

“What matters is the will to overcome yourself,” said Senior Lieutenant Nguyen Van Duong, commander of the battalion’s firepower company.

 

[Viet]

They simply can't. Vietnam government budget is only around $36 Billion a year, that's 18% of their GDP. So spending 15% of GDP only for defense is out of reach.

For 2016 a bit more than $57 billions for the central government. Spendings of local governments aren't included in the figure.