Vietnam celebrate the overall assembly the 6th domestic Molniya missile boat

[BoQ77]

so easy, destroy all your airports & naval port is a piece of cake for second artillery, they can cover all your land with EMP. without airports & naval port, how can your fighters take off, where can you battleship anchor?

In reality, It's not so easy like you wrote.
Let imagine how Vietnamese could manage to fight agains air operations of USA ? during 1967-1972

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Distance is not a problem in SCS.

Tankers for refueling when air fleets go forth and go back. Tankers for aircraft return and must wait to their turn to landing, with nearly empty fuel tanks.
Tankers for damaged aircrafts with heavy fuel leaking.

Tankers for replacing down tankers.

The American made 800 tankers during 1955-1965 and that's not a problem in SCS.

You can't just show a tanker in aerial refueling to argue that "distance is not a problem"

 

[Beast]

No, I understand it very well, but that only goes so far, what makes you think that they can just fly everywhere and not get shutdown? AWACS is better but it can't get too close for optimal detection range and anyway, in bad weather its detection of a small ship like that wont be more than 150 km, 200 max.

First and most, drone is much smaller and do you think your radar detection can really capture it at longer range? Secondly, you shoot me down that means your fleet is there. You are exposing your position by firing at me. Bingo!

 

[Carlosa]

First and most, drone is much smaller and do you think your radar detection can really capture it at longer range? Secondly, you shoot me down that means your fleet is there. You are exposing your position by firing at me. Bingo!

There are multiple platforms to shoot it down. Are you aware of the Novator air to air missile to shoot down AWACS planes at a 300-350 km range? Bingo!

First and most, drone is much smaller and do you think your radar detection can really capture it at longer range? Secondly, you shoot me down that means your fleet is there. You are exposing your position by firing at me. Bingo!

Drones fly high if they are doing surveillance work, easy to detect.

 

[GR!FF!N]

Sir,can you state the reason why the I.N. has stopped inducting F.A.C. in it's arsenal for the past 15 years??I mean a fleet of about 50 F.A.C. will definitely be a headache to the P.N. in case of a naval engagement!!

its not just FAC,India stopped procurement of multiple platform and we're struggling now.but I think the main reason was replacement of major ships,Frigates,Destroyers,Submarines and Carriers.we've a lot of platforms to replace.when IN would want it,they'd procure it again..

 

[Beast]

There are multiple platforms to shoot it down. Are you aware of the Novator air to air missile to shoot down AWACS planes at a 300-350 km range? Bingo!

Do you have it and may I know you used what to guide it 300km -350km to take out my AWACS? And do you think our AWACS are dumb enough to fly into your missile range? Finally, your Su-30MKK radar is bigger and more powerful than my AWACS radar? Who's going to detect who first? AWACS do not fly alone.. They are just like a CV fleet escort by fighter jets.

Drones fly high if they are doing surveillance work, easy to detect.

Shoot me down and your position will be exposed. Soaring eagle flies at 17300m high. Not much you can shot it down except fighter and S-300 which will be lacking on sea.

 

[BoQ77]

There are multiple platforms to shoot it down. Are you aware of the Novator air to air missile to shoot down AWACS planes at a 300-350 km range? Bingo!



Drones fly high is they are doing surveillance work, easy to detect.

This kind of warfare, the American applied to Vietnam War a half of century ago,
they have much more advantage against Vietnamese at that time, much more than Chinese could have against nowaday Vietnamese.
But American still get heavy damage : 12,000 aircrafts were down, including UAV, supersonic, heavy bomber ...
B52, SR-71, F-4, F111A, F105, ...

Total fighters China have now doesn't equal US tankers quantity.

 

[Carlosa]

Do you have it and may I know you used what to guide it 300km -350km to take out my AWACS? And do you think our AWACS are dumb enough to fly into your missile range? Finally, your Su-30MKK radar is bigger and more powerful than my AWACS radar? Who's going to detect who first? AWACS do not fly alone.. They are just like a CV fleet escort by fighter jets.
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If the AWACS is not going to fly within such range, then its very far and useless to our discussion. The emissions of the AWACS radar will reveal its location plus some mid course guidance and in the end the self active seeker of the missile.

 

[Beast]

This kind of warfare, the American applied to Vietnam War a half of century ago,
they have much more advantage against Vietnamese at that time, much more than Chinese could have against nowaday Vietnamese.
But American still get heavy damage : 12,000 aircrafts were down, including UAV, supersonic, heavy bomber ...
B52, SR-71, F-4, F111A, F105, ...

Total fighters China have now doesn't equal US tankers quantity.

During vietnam war, there is no AWACS, no surveilance drone. No GPS and high speed data relay network. Of cos, all these are expensive asset which only big powerful countries now have it.

 

[Carlosa]

This kind of warfare, the American applied to Vietnam War a half of century ago,
they have much more advantage against Vietnamese at that time, much more than Chinese could have against nowaday Vietnamese.
But American still get heavy damage : 12,000 aircrafts were down, including UAV, supersonic, heavy bomber ...
B52, SR-71, F-4, F111A, F105, ...

Total fighters China have now doesn't equal US tankers quantity.

Of course, we know that, but these kids didn't learn about that yet.

 

[BoQ77]

Interception range is 221km, latest HQ-9

Once those ships are detected, no way they can get near our CV-16 without eating YJ-18 ASM or face J-15 wrath launch from carriers. Those SU-30MKK are huge fighter and no stealth features. VPAF Su-30MKK detection will be easy meat for our AWACS.

221km is exaggerated. for supersonic aircraft acting at altitude 10,000m, it would be about 50km as maximum.
For sea skimming cruise missile, it would be 25 km as maximum.

The problem of most Chinese, they are too proud of new creation of AWACs, aircraft carrier , UAV...
they just don't know that they have been used for several decades.

They maynot know that Vietnam even win the electronic warfare to make USA step down at the beginning of 1973.

F-111A at the time of 1972, may similar to F35 at this moment, or F-117A at the time 1999.

China has no experience to handle US B52 too.

This Mig-21 shot down 14 US advanced fighters during air combat.

 

[Beast]

If the AWACS is not going to fly within such range, then its very far and useless to our discussion. The emissions of the AWACS radar will reveal its location plus some mid course guidance and in the end the self active seeker of the missile.

You are just plain dumb. AWACS has superior radar dection range than normal fighter jets. They can even pick up your aircraft the moment take off from you airfield. And you haven tell me what radar you are going to use to guide your missile max range 300km? So stop so much of your BS.

 

[Carlosa]

During vietnam war, there is no AWACS, no surveilance drone. No GPS and high speed data relay network. Of cos, all these are expensive asset which only big powerful countries now have it.

And Vietnam now is also much better prepared than at the time of the war.

Do you think only china has UAV'S? Vietnam also have them.

 

[cnleio]

No just discussion about Chinese Beast claimed that only one 052D could defeat the whole defense system of Vietnam

LOL ... one 052D can't.

 

[Beast]

221km is exaggerated. for supersonic aircraft acting at altitude 10,000m, it would be about 50km as maximum.
For sea skimming cruise missile, it would be 25 km as maximum

Sourgrapes to describe your explanation.

 

[Carlosa]

You are just plain dumb. AWACS has superior radar dection range than normal fighter jets. They can even pick up your aircraft the moment take off from you airfield. And you haven tell me what radar you are going to use to guide your missile max range 300km? So stop so much of your BS.

Your AWACS can't get close enough for that, I don't think you understand the target size than an AWACS can detect at that range.

I told you the SU-30 will know your location from your radar emissions, will give the location to the missile, mid course update via data link to the missile until final phase. What do you don't understand about that?