‘Verdict makes me feel like a 2nd-class citizen’

[Fighter488]

This is reply to only Fighter and I ask him to spread same to Other Muslims.

According to a popular folklore prevalent in Braja, Hindus were being used as slave-labourers during Aurangzeb’s times. Even the destruction of temples were being enforced upon the reluctant labourers. When the temple at the birthplace of Lord Shri Krishna was being destroyed to build the Idgah mosque, one Hindu Sipahsalar advised Aurangzeb thus, “Jahanpanah! Building the Idgah upon the unholy idol room would defile the mosque. Therefore, the Idgah should be built somewhere else.” The clever ploy of the Hindu worked and Aurangzeb ordered the mosque to be built elsewhere. The divine ambience of the sanctum sactorum thrills the hearts of the devotees as soon as they enter the auspicious place, and a sense of conviction surges in their minds that this indeed is the place where Lord Krishna manifested Himself. It is true that Mathura is the holiest, and it is the only place in the universe where Brahma and Shakti have been manifested at the same place. It is in Mathura that Leelapurushottam Shri Krishna and Ashthabhuja Ma Yogmaya manifested.

The Idag mosque is actually on the land of Hindus as per all the records but because its religions worship place and Hindus have not yet filed case as this mosque is not on the particular birth place but at nearby it, it is secured by Hindus themselves. Every Friday Muslim prayer at Igdah mosque coming through the Krishna Janasthan. This is what Hinduism is. Here even court can't do anything as ownership of land is proved from the British time as transfer and purchase records are available with Hindus. One should learn how leave in peace and compromise. The land on which Idag is there is actually part of Krishna Janasthan.

OK, for the argument sake let us assume it is right. Although, I am not a historian myself, there is an article that I read and it carried a list of more than 700 temples, ashrams etc. that were directly supported from court of Aurangzeb himself. Hindus never tire to project Aurangzeb as the ultimate evil but the truth is quite different about this guy. His political ambitions are and actions are easy to manipulate and be shown like a MUSLIM TERRORIST of his time.

Any way how this assumption or argument that you gave, come in the making the verdict in babri Masjid case?

Fighter

 

[VermillionTilak]

OK, for the argument sake let us assume it is right. Although, I am not a historian myself, there is an article that I read and it carried a list of more than 700 temples, ashrams etc. that were directly supported from court of Aurangzeb himself. Hindus never tire to project Aurangzeb as the ultimate evil but the truth is quite different about this guy. His political ambitions are and actions are easy to manipulate and be shown like a MUSLIM TERRORIST of his time.

Any way how this assumption or argument that you gave, come in the making the verdict in babri Masjid case?

Fighter

I can easily prove your hero otherwise.

 

[justanobserver]

OK, for the argument sake let us assume it is right. Although, I am not a historian myself, there is an article that I read and it carried a list of more than 700 temples, ashrams etc. that were directly supported from court of Aurangzeb himself. Hindus never tire to project Aurangzeb as the ultimate evil but the truth is quite different about this guy. His political ambitions are and actions are easy to manipulate and be shown like a MUSLIM TERRORIST of his time.

Any way how this assumption or argument that you gave, come in the making the verdict in babri Masjid case?

Fighter

@Fighter
I was buying your arguments but this is preposterous ! You're glorifying Aurangzeb, the guy who ordered the killing of the Sikh guru !

 

[kallu_be]

Yes ! Those 800 years that taught you what a world outside 'High Cast Hindu wisdom' look alike! The 800 years that gave this country the most advanced system of governace, laws, society, infrastructure and a sense of equality. The 800 years that cleared the path to PROGRESSIVE INDIA AND ALL EQUAL INDIANS as a whole!
You are so funny, I never imagined!

As for the question go and figure out yourself. It is no rocket science.

Fighter

Yes, you can still find "the most advanced system of governace, laws, society, infrastructure and a sense of equality" in present Pakistan and Afghanistan.

 

[Fighter488]

I can easily prove your hero otherwise.

Yes from CUSTODIANS of Hindu faith and Glory! From paid up junk writers and so on. You can!

 

[Fighter488]

You people are derailing the thread. No sane logic and reasoning here.

Mods please take care!

 

[justanobserver]

Yes from CUSTODIANS of Hindu faith and Glory! From paid up junk writers and so on. You can!

Do you deny that he executed the Sikh Guru?

 

[Novice09]

Yes from CUSTODIANS of Hindu faith and Glory! From paid up junk writers and so on. You can!

 

[Von Hölle]

OK, for the argument sake let us assume it is right. Although, I am not a historian myself, there is an article that I read and it carried a list of more than 700 temples, ashrams etc. that were directly supported from court of Aurangzeb himself. Hindus never tire to project Aurangzeb as the ultimate evil but the truth is quite different about this guy. His political ambitions are and actions are easy to manipulate and be shown like a MUSLIM TERRORIST of his time.

Any way how this assumption or argument that you gave, come in the making the verdict in babri Masjid case?

Fighter

Although I am overwhelmingly against Hindu fanaticism but similarly I am against bigoted laws of certain Muslim emperors of India such as

jizya levied on Non Muslims ..so please don't blindly support such.

 

[Bhairava]

OK, for the argument sake let us assume it is right. Although, I am not a historian myself, there is an article that I read and it carried a list of more than 700 temples, ashrams etc. that were directly supported from court of Aurangzeb himself. Hindus never tire to project Aurangzeb as the ultimate evil but the truth is quite different about this guy. His political ambitions are and actions are easy to manipulate and be shown like a MUSLIM TERRORIST of his time.

Any way how this assumption or argument that you gave, come in the making the verdict in babri Masjid case?

Fighter

Can you please elaborate on the saintly qualities of this pious guy so that the innocent brainwashed hindus can correct ourselves.?

 

[VermillionTilak]

Yes from CUSTODIANS of Hindu faith and Glory! From paid up junk writers and so on. You can!

Absolutely incredible.

 

[arihant]

OK, for the argument sake let us assume it is right. Although, I am not a historian myself, there is an article that I read and it carried a list of more than 700 Aurangzeb, ashrams etc. that were directly supported from court of Aurangzeb himself. Hindus never tire to project Aurangzeb as the ultimate evil but the truth is quite different about this guy. His political ambitions are and actions are easy to manipulate and be shown like a MUSLIM TERRORIST of his time.

Any way how this assumption or argument that you gave, come in the making the verdict in babri Masjid case?

Fighter

It does come in way of Babri Masjid. According to you belief was center of the judgement and not the evidence.

I suppose its completely wrong. Evidence was first thing that was taken. If you see the history, at least or before 1855 Hindus and Muslims use to pray inside the dome. Hindus use to worship in the central dome while Muslims in the left dome. But riots of 1857, called up the British which banned the Hindus entering the whole site so that no more riots happens. Although they didn't said that they don't have right to worship in the dome, therefore they asked the Mahant of Chabootra, just outside the actual structure to allow the Hindus to worship in the same direction where they use to worship.

Now, in 1885 Mahant file case and asked Magistrate to allow Hindus to built a temple around the Masjid. This case was actually rejected but the last words of Magistrate himself self holded the belief of Hindus that Masjid was on the scared place of Hindus but as it was before 350 years, there is no time to built it again.

Now, lets forget what happen afterwards. Because separate cases are still running on that. But one thing that is clear is between 16-18 century both Hindus and Muslim were in the possession of the land (2/3rd of the current dispute).

The real reason for fighting as of now is that we don't have knowledge of actual history.

Muslims belief was also upheld by the Justice Agarwal and Khan that as Muslims use to worship in one of the dome, they are entitle to get that part.

And why it is related to Krishna Janasthan is that as Igad doesn't obstruct Hindu belief in praying, it is still present and each friday offerings are done by Muslims. Now, if Hindus are in majority, crude, rude, than they don't need to wait to destruct the Igdah Mosque as the actual land still legally belongs to Hindus only. You can always find this when you want to search history

 

[somebozo]

India to Hinduism is like Vatican to Christianity and Makkah to Islam.
Arguing India turn into a secular country is pipe dream at best.
Even the kingpin of democracy USA cannot be argued as fully secular since most of the US public holidays and celebrations are direct input of Christian majority. If you are telling me that Chrismas is a secular celebration while Hanukah and Eid is not then god bless your IQ.

Simple fact of life is that majority will prevail so living with the facts is a smart choice. Islam has not ordained masjid to be tied up with a piece of land unlike other religions..execpt for three significant holy places ie: Makkah, Medina and Al-Qods.

Its time to stop playing religion card with politics. Either way the verdict is useless because a mosque cannot exisit in vincity of or facing towards graveyard or temple.

Instead if Muslims geniunely have a feel towards their identity, they should contruct a 10x size masjis in every important city of India and name it Babri. And put up a huge plaque as memorial reading


"In honour of those who perished to safeguard the identity of Indian Muslims. A Memorial to Babri Majid (shaheed)- Ayodhia 1527-1992"

Its time to get logical and rational.

 

[Novice09]

You people are derailing the thread. No sane logic and reasoning here.

because in your opinion our logic and reasoning is based upon data from CUSTODIANS of Hindu faith and Glory! From paid up junk writers and so on.

 

[karan.1970]

India to Hinduism is like Vatican to Christianity and Makkah to Islam.

No.. That would be Bhutan or Nepal. The only 2 Hindu countries in the world.