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Uzma Khan Scandal: What is all wrong with us as Society

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I would never understand why we Pakistanis give so much unnecessary attention to loathing issues.
Because this generation dont have anything serious to work on

We failed to be a role model to them, now they are loaming in jungles
 
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Hasn't Pakistan got more important things to worry about? This shit show has been going on for days now. Everyone seems to be consumed by it.
 
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Is there any proof of that? Any crystal clear evidence which backs their claim? Were they performing the act of lust when this arrogant family raided the house? If yes, please go ahead and sangsar them.

How does one accuse their partner of cheating? If a husband finds out his wife (wise a versa) has been going in or out of a hotel room with another man what bell is going to ring in his head and rightly so? That the wife is just doing official business meeting? Or his wife is cheating on him with another men with balls deep penetration!? Only an idiot would need "evidence" to come up with this conclusion! Just because you cant prove that something bad took place does not mean nothing happened!
As for Uzma. This gold digger attention wh0re is just looking for fame and money.
As i have mentioned earlier many many times that it should not be hard for authorities to figure out that illicit activity was taking place which is a crime in Pakistani law and money was involved again another crime in Pakistani law.
Again, you are dumb and deaf to believe that Pakistani showbiz models are not involved in illicit relationships with rich men who shower them with money in return for sexual favors.
P.S. Hang the husband as well, as men like him make women like them.
Hang the husband as well? meaning Wife as well? Are you stupid? They did not commit any murder and neither was their any intention.
And no, in this case Usman did not make uzma what she is. She is a born gold digger as she was raised in hera mendhi type community and you can check that out as well. She will shut her piehole once she gets offered hefty amount of money even if she denies this in media to gain stupid emotional awam.
Nothing gives them the right to raid the house the way they did, calling ISI, moving people, making videos, asking guards to touch them and later posting it over social media, knowing that they are untouchables. And indeed they are. Unfortunately.
ISI kisi baap ki security guards nahi hai. And neither they have time to get themselves involved in b1tch fight whore business matter. Just because someone uses their name does not mean they have any connection with them.
What the wife and malik's relatives did was wrong but they should not be solely blamed for this incident. I am pretty sure if 99% of Pakistanis find out their partner is cheating they will cause as much physical and mental harm as possible in their full capacity. Put yourself in the wife's shoes. How would you react?

Dont fall for this ohhh i am a women ohhhh i am a yatheem ooooo he/she abused me bull crap without knowing the ground reality of the situation.

Wife should be charged for a minor assault which is bailable even in western world. Usman and Uzma for illicit relationship which is a crime in Pakistani law.
 
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Hasn't Pakistan got more important things to worry about? This shit show has been going on for days now. Everyone seems to be consumed by it.
The principle at stake here is more important than you would know.
That fact that people in Pakistan don't understand the principle at stake here is a reason why such lawlessness exists in the first place.

How does one accuse their partner of cheating? If a husband finds out his wife (wise a versa) has been going in or out of a hotel room with another man what bell is going to ring in his head and rightly so? That the wife is just doing official business meeting? Or his wife is cheating on him with another men with balls deep penetration!? Only an idiot would need "evidence" to come up with this conclusion! Just because you cant prove that something bad took place does not mean nothing happened!
As for Uzma. This gold digger attention wh0re is just looking for fame and money.
As i have mentioned earlier many many times that it should not be hard for authorities to figure out that illicit activity was taking place which is a crime in Pakistani law and money was involved again another crime in Pakistani law.
Again, you are dumb and deaf to believe that Pakistani showbiz models are not involved in illicit relationships with rich men who shower them with money in return for sexual favors.

Hang the husband as well? meaning Wife as well? Are you stupid? They did not commit any murder and neither was their any intention.
And no, in this case Usman did not make uzma what she is. She is a born gold digger as she was raised in hera mendhi type community and you can check that out as well. She will shut her piehole once she gets offered hefty amount of money even if she denies this in media to gain stupid emotional awam.

ISI kisi baap ki security guards nahi hai. And neither they have time to get themselves involved in b1tch fight whore business matter. Just because someone uses their name does not mean they have any connection with them.
What the wife and malik's relatives did was wrong but they should not be solely blamed for this incident. I am pretty sure if 99% of Pakistanis find out their partner is cheating they will cause as much physical and mental harm as possible in their full capacity. Put yourself in the wife's shoes. How would you react?

Dont fall for this ohhh i am a women ohhhh i am a yatheem ooooo he/she abused me bull crap without knowing the ground reality of the situation.

Wife should be charged for a minor assault which is bailable even in western world. Usman and Uzma for illicit relationship which is a crime in Pakistani law.
Doesn't the crime of illicit relationship require the testimony of 4 eye witnesses to the act to be proven?
Are there 4 eye witnesses to the act that is being alleged to have taken place?
 
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The principle at stake here is more important than you would know.
That fact that people in Pakistan don't understand the principle at stake here is a reason why such lawlessness exists in the first place.

Is their more rich on poor crime or poor on poor crime here in Pakistan? I think its poor on poor crime.
 
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Doesn't the crime of illicit relationship require the testimony of 4 eye witnesses to the act to be proven?
Are there 4 eye witnesses to the act that is being alleged to have taken place?

20 or so guards and 3 women along with a camera for world to see saw that a sugar daddy was staying with 2 gold diggers and even the gold digger admitted that she has been meeting him for the past couple of years. If the criteria is to catch someone in the act then might as well remove the law which has more holes then a fking fishing net!

Crime is crime whether committed by rich or poor.
The law should not differentiate or discriminate.
In this case, only the rich family is being targeted while no one bothers questioning the gold diggers.
 
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20 or so guards and 3 women along with a camera for world to see that a sugar daddy was staying with 2 gold diggers. If the criteria is to catch someone in the act then might as well remove the law which has more hole then a fking fishing net!
The law with more holes than a fking fishing net ( your words) is actually the one prescribed by the hadees and Sharia.
It has to be four eye witnessest to the act of penetration otherwise there is no crime to answer for.
You can't make the rules up according to your cultural biases.

20 or so guards and 3 women along with a camera for world to see saw that a sugar daddy was staying with 2 gold diggers and even the gold digger admitted that she has been having meeting him for the past couple of years. If the criteria is to catch someone in the act then might as well remove the law which has more holes then a fking fishing net!


In this case, only the rich family is being targeted while no one bothers questioning the gold diggers.
Which statute in PPC deals with gold digging?
You have to understand that something which you may find culturally reprehensible may not necessarily be illegal.
Cultural bias or preference does not equal the law.
As a nation, if we got our heads round this one principle, our country would be transformed.
 
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The law with more holes than a fking fishing net ( your words) is actually the one prescribed by the hadees.
It has to be four eye witnessest to the act of penetration otherwise there is no crime to answer for.
You can't make the rules up according to your cultural biases.

Its your own interpretation of what I said.

Islamic law in its true meaning is the right way to go. Back in the days where camera did not exist required multiple eyewitnesses where as today a camera would be more then sufficient to bring up a charge.
Again, in this case 20 or so guards 3 women saw with their own eyes that the husband was with Uzma and has been having on and off relationship is enough of evidence in both Islamic and Pakistani law to charge them for illicit act! Here in US in a sting operation people get arrested for merely showing up with an intention to commit an illicit act. Even the US law does not require them to commit an act before they are caught.
Same in Islamic law, if 4 eyewitness observe men are going in and out of a single female house and she is getting richer and richer by the day it is safe to conclude that illicit activity is taking place.

More holes then a fishing net best fit Pakistani law which does not even fallow Islamic nor western law but their own.

Which statute in PPC deals with gold digging?
You have to understand that something which you may find culturally reprehensible may not necessarily be illegal.
Cultural bias or preference does not equal the law.
As a nation, if we got our heads round this one principle, our country would be transformed.
Either you are toooooooo innocent and is not aware of what happens around the world or just ignorant.
Do you know what a gold digger does? She takes money from you and in return fullfill your manly desire. in which law is this not illegal? Even though you have more then 4 eye witness and a video which establish that.
 
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Its your own interpretation of what I said.

Islamic law in its true meaning is the right way to go. Back in the days where camera did not exist required multiple eyewitnesses where as today a camera would be more then sufficient to bring up a charge.
Again, in this case 20 or so guards 3 women saw with their own eyes that the husband was with Uzma and has been having on and off relationship is enough of evidence in both Islamic and Pakistani law to charge them for illicit act! Here in US in a sting operation people get arrested for merely showing up with an intention to commit an illicit act. Even the US law does not require them to commit an act before they are caught.
Same in Islamic law, if 4 eyewitness observe men are going in and out of a single female house and she is getting richer and richer by the day it is safe to conclude that illicit activity is taking place.

More holes then a fishing net best fit Pakistani law which does not even fallow Islamic nor western law but their own.


Either you are toooooooo innocent and is not aware of what happens around the world or just ignorant.
Do you know what a gold digger does? She takes money from you and in return fullfill your manly desire. in which law is this not illegal? Even though you have more then 4 eye witness and a video which establish that.
I would agree that s camera would be sufficient.
However, that camera would have to capture the act of sex taking place to be considered sufficient proof.
It is not sufficient to assume that sex has taken place just because 2 people are found to be alone. A case based on assumption or circumstantial evidence would never satisfy a court.
The law, whether Sharia or secular doesn't work that way.
I'm not a very religious person but I'll quote you a story of Hazrat Umar RA as an illustration.
In this case it was accepted that the man and woman were not married and that they had been together alone.

Umar on Hudud: Strict requirement of four witnesses to adultery
Abu Amina Elias Adultery الزناLegal Punishment الحدودRepentance التوبةUmar ibn Abdul Aziz عمر بن عبد العزيزUmar ibn al-Khattab عمر بن الخطاب


Ibn al-Musayyib reported: Three men testified against Al-Mughirah that he had committed adultery, while an additional witness abstained. Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, punished the three men and he said to them, “Repent and I will accept your testimony.” Two men repented and Abu Bakrah did not repent, so Umar did not accept his testimony.

Source: Muṣannaf ‘Abd al-Razzāq 13564

Al-Bukhari said, “Umar flogged Abu Bakrah, Shibl ibn Ma’bad, and Nafi’ because of their accusation against Al-Mughirah, then he demanded their repentance. He said that whoever repents, his testimony would be accepted. It was permitted by Abdullah ibn ‘Utaybah, Umar ibn Abdul Aziz, Sa’id ibn Jubayr, Tawus, Mujahid, Al-Sha’bi, ‘Ikramah, Al-Zuhri, Muharib ibn Ditar, Shurayh, and Mu’awiyyah ibn Qurrah.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 3/170

عَنِ ابْنِ الْمُسَيِّبِ قَالَ شَهِدَ عَلَى الْمُغِيرَةِ بْنِ شُعْبَةَ ثَلَاثَةٌ بِالزِّنَا وَنُكِّلَ زِيَادٌ فَحَدَّ عُمَرُ رضي الله عنه الثَّلَاثَةَ وَقَالَ لَهُمْ تُوبُوا تُقْبَلْ شَهَادَتُكُمْ فَتَابَ رَجُلَانِ وَلَمْ يَتُبْ أَبُو بَكْرَةَ فَكَانَ لَا يَقْبَلُ شَهَادَتَهُ

13564 مصنف عبد الرزاق الصنعاني

قال البخاري وَجَلَدَ عُمَرُ أَبَا بَكْرَةَ وَشِبْلَ بْنَ مَعْبَدٍ وَنَافِعًا بِقَذْفِ المُغِيرَةِ ثُمَّ اسْتَتَابَهُمْ وَقَالَ مَنْ تَابَ قَبِلْتُ شَهَادَتَهُ وَأَجَازَهُ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عُتْبَةَ وَعُمَرُ بْنُ عَبْدِ العَزِيزِ وَسَعِيدُ بْنُ جُبَيْرٍ وَطَاوُسٌ وَمُجَاهِدٌ وَالشَّعْبِيُّ وَعِكْرِمَةُ وَالزُّهْرِيُّ وَمُحَارِبُ بْنُ دِثَارٍ وَشُرَيْحٌ وَمُعَاوِيَةُ بْنُ

Do unless those people have incontrovertible proof, beyond their suspicion, that sex took place, they have no right to accuse those girls and neither do you have the right to accuse them of bring whores unless you too have proof.
We will all be answerable to God for making false allegations and slander unless you have that proof.
 
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I would agree that s camera would be sufficient.
However, that camera would have to capture the act of sex taking place to be considered sufficient proof.
It is not sufficient to assume that sex has taken place just because 2 people are found to be alone. A case based on assumption or circumstantial evidence would never satisfy a court.
The law, whether Sharia or secular doesn't work that way.
I'm not a very religious person but I'll quote you a story of Hazrat Umar RA as an illustration.
In this case it was accepted that the man and woman were not married and that they had been together alone.

Umar on Hudud: Strict requirement of four witnesses to adultery
Abu Amina Elias Adultery الزناLegal Punishment الحدودRepentance التوبةUmar ibn Abdul Aziz عمر بن عبد العزيزUmar ibn al-Khattab عمر بن الخطاب


Ibn al-Musayyib reported: Three men testified against Al-Mughirah that he had committed adultery, while an additional witness abstained. Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, punished the three men and he said to them, “Repent and I will accept your testimony.” Two men repented and Abu Bakrah did not repent, so Umar did not accept his testimony.

Source: Muṣannaf ‘Abd al-Razzāq 13564

Al-Bukhari said, “Umar flogged Abu Bakrah, Shibl ibn Ma’bad, and Nafi’ because of their accusation against Al-Mughirah, then he demanded their repentance. He said that whoever repents, his testimony would be accepted. It was permitted by Abdullah ibn ‘Utaybah, Umar ibn Abdul Aziz, Sa’id ibn Jubayr, Tawus, Mujahid, Al-Sha’bi, ‘Ikramah, Al-Zuhri, Muharib ibn Ditar, Shurayh, and Mu’awiyyah ibn Qurrah.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 3/170

عَنِ ابْنِ الْمُسَيِّبِ قَالَ شَهِدَ عَلَى الْمُغِيرَةِ بْنِ شُعْبَةَ ثَلَاثَةٌ بِالزِّنَا وَنُكِّلَ زِيَادٌ فَحَدَّ عُمَرُ رضي الله عنه الثَّلَاثَةَ وَقَالَ لَهُمْ تُوبُوا تُقْبَلْ شَهَادَتُكُمْ فَتَابَ رَجُلَانِ وَلَمْ يَتُبْ أَبُو بَكْرَةَ فَكَانَ لَا يَقْبَلُ شَهَادَتَهُ

13564 مصنف عبد الرزاق الصنعاني

قال البخاري وَجَلَدَ عُمَرُ أَبَا بَكْرَةَ وَشِبْلَ بْنَ مَعْبَدٍ وَنَافِعًا بِقَذْفِ المُغِيرَةِ ثُمَّ اسْتَتَابَهُمْ وَقَالَ مَنْ تَابَ قَبِلْتُ شَهَادَتَهُ وَأَجَازَهُ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عُتْبَةَ وَعُمَرُ بْنُ عَبْدِ العَزِيزِ وَسَعِيدُ بْنُ جُبَيْرٍ وَطَاوُسٌ وَمُجَاهِدٌ وَالشَّعْبِيُّ وَعِكْرِمَةُ وَالزُّهْرِيُّ وَمُحَارِبُ بْنُ دِثَارٍ وَشُرَيْحٌ وَمُعَاوِيَةُ بْنُ

Do unless those people have incontrovertible proof, beyond their suspicion, that sex took place, they have no right to accuse those girls and neither do you have the right to accuse them of bring whores unless you too have proof.
We will all be answerable to God for making false allegations and slander unless you have that proof.
@Myth_buster_1 I thought we were done with this discussion.
Until and unless Uzma & Usman were were caught performing the sexual act in the presence of witness, Ms.Amna has no case.
She can file for civil case against husband seeking Khula, based on the fact that he had illicit relationship with a Model, and if Usman refuses, then Amna will still have to establish that both had extra marital affair.

If you want criminal charges against Uzma, it is not possible at this moment, because in presence of a camera & number of guards it is clear that they were NOT caught while performing the sexual act.

And for heaven sake stop calling anyone a prostitute, it was a consensual relationship, a case of Fornication.
 
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@Myth_buster_1 I thought we were done with this discussion.
Until and unless Uzma & Usman were were caught performing the sexual act in the presence of witness, Ms.Amna has no case.
She can file for civil case against husband seeking Khula, based on the fact that he had illicit relationship with a Model, and if Usman refuses, then Amna will still have to establish that both had extra marital affair.

If you want criminal charges against Uzma, it is not possible at this moment, because in presence of a camera & number of guards it is clear that they were NOT caught while performing the sexual act.

And for heaven sake stop calling anyone a prostitute, it was a consensual relationship, a case of Fornication.
These nuances are very difficult for the average Pakistani to process and understand.
For him/her, cultural biases and assumptions equate not only to the law but to Islam as well. End result is a society that is unjust and socially stunted.
 
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Same shit happens when a girl is caught with boy. Instead of beating the girl, the relatives of Girl beat up Boy

That's basically a QRF SOP :dance3: by the relatives of a girl,
Once they are done by beating the shit out of the guy then comes the turn of that girl !!

Aj kal har koi chaudhary ban jata hai :guns:
 
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I would agree that s camera would be sufficient.
However, that camera would have to capture the act of sex taking place to be considered sufficient proof.
It is not sufficient to assume that sex has taken place just because 2 people are found to be alone.

Its kind of cute that you conveniently dodged my answer that has already answered your concern.
Let me rephrase my point.
Now this is "what if" scenario and dont take it personally.
What if you (lets make it a imaginary wife not a real one "and may allah protect us from all evil") is caught by you having a relationship ( i am not gonna go into details but understand where this conversations is going) but you did not catch them in the act. Would you not have sufficient suspicion that an evil act has taken place between the two and based on that wouldnt you leave her if she has not changed after repeated warnings? If you would leave her then why would you do so since you did not catch them in the act and if you dont what kind of man are you?

A case based on assumption or circumstantial evidence would never satisfy a court.
This is the loop hole in the system I am talking about. "innocent until proven guilty" its like everybody knows a crime took place but the law can not persecute because lack of "evidence". Prime example, corrupt politicians, business tycoons, industrial mafias, etc are accused of corruption but keep getting away because again "lack of evidence".
And No illicit act takes place in todays world with open doors or in public where such an activity can be caught by "eyewitnesses" only. Alot of punishments that Islam has prescribed was more applicable in the past then it is today. As long as an evil act can be stopped in the society by any means like in form of imprisonment then you are fullfilling islamic duties. And since punishment is very harsh in Islam thats why it makes it a very tough criteria to persecute the accused.

Btw Pakistani police also raids on brothels and catches anyone who is inside even if they are in waiting line and has not committed the crime yet.

The law, whether Sharia or secular doesn't work that way.
Does sting operations ring any bell to you? People get arrested for merely showing up to the place without action taking place. It happens all over US! And their are many other ways to get arrested for illicit act without even any action!

I'm not a very religious person but I'll quote you a story of Hazrat Umar RA as an illustration.
In this case it was accepted that the man and woman were not married and that they had been together alone.

Umar on Hudud: Strict requirement of four witnesses to adultery
Abu Amina Elias Adultery الزناLegal Punishment الحدودRepentance التوبةUmar ibn Abdul Aziz عمر بن عبد العزيزUmar ibn al-Khattab عمر بن الخطاب


Ibn al-Musayyib reported: Three men testified against Al-Mughirah that he had committed adultery, while an additional witness abstained. Umar, may Allah be pleased with him, punished the three men and he said to them, “Repent and I will accept your testimony.” Two men repented and Abu Bakrah did not repent, so Umar did not accept his testimony.

Source: Muṣannaf ‘Abd al-Razzāq 13564

Al-Bukhari said, “Umar flogged Abu Bakrah, Shibl ibn Ma’bad, and Nafi’ because of their accusation against Al-Mughirah, then he demanded their repentance. He said that whoever repents, his testimony would be accepted. It was permitted by Abdullah ibn ‘Utaybah, Umar ibn Abdul Aziz, Sa’id ibn Jubayr, Tawus, Mujahid, Al-Sha’bi, ‘Ikramah, Al-Zuhri, Muharib ibn Ditar, Shurayh, and Mu’awiyyah ibn Qurrah.”

Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 3/170

عَنِ ابْنِ الْمُسَيِّبِ قَالَ شَهِدَ عَلَى الْمُغِيرَةِ بْنِ شُعْبَةَ ثَلَاثَةٌ بِالزِّنَا وَنُكِّلَ زِيَادٌ فَحَدَّ عُمَرُ رضي الله عنه الثَّلَاثَةَ وَقَالَ لَهُمْ تُوبُوا تُقْبَلْ شَهَادَتُكُمْ فَتَابَ رَجُلَانِ وَلَمْ يَتُبْ أَبُو بَكْرَةَ فَكَانَ لَا يَقْبَلُ شَهَادَتَهُ

13564 مصنف عبد الرزاق الصنعاني

قال البخاري وَجَلَدَ عُمَرُ أَبَا بَكْرَةَ وَشِبْلَ بْنَ مَعْبَدٍ وَنَافِعًا بِقَذْفِ المُغِيرَةِ ثُمَّ اسْتَتَابَهُمْ وَقَالَ مَنْ تَابَ قَبِلْتُ شَهَادَتَهُ وَأَجَازَهُ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عُتْبَةَ وَعُمَرُ بْنُ عَبْدِ العَزِيزِ وَسَعِيدُ بْنُ جُبَيْرٍ وَطَاوُسٌ وَمُجَاهِدٌ وَالشَّعْبِيُّ وَعِكْرِمَةُ وَالزُّهْرِيُّ وَمُحَارِبُ بْنُ دِثَارٍ وَشُرَيْحٌ وَمُعَاوِيَةُ بْنُ

Islam = Quran and Prophet Mohammed PBUH words and actions. His companions and relatives have their own importance and we should respect that but not to the point where we fallow them.
Islam does require witness only if they are to be severally punished "i.e flogged or stoned to death" other wise without witness it should be up to us to have laws either western or our own that safeguards society from such actions. be it drugs, corruption what not.
With the way how technology has advanced "not a bad thing" it will become almost impossible to catch any criminal by solely relying on Islamic laws which again were perfect for that time and should be today but we need to have perfect Muslim society in order for it to be interpreted and implemented.

As for uzma case, even in western law she could get in alot of trouble. where as the wife could be just punished for just simple assault if she could prove that she was informed the house belonged to her husband.


Do unless those people have incontrovertible proof, beyond their suspicion, that sex took place, they have no right to accuse those girls and neither do you have the right to accuse them of bring whores unless you too have proof.
We will all be answerable to God for making false allegations and slander unless you have that proof.

Uzma has admitted she had on and off relationship with a married man. The wife caught them before multiple times. The wife raided the house "to be the witness" of illicit act but at that time they must have been done and were just chilling with romantic music which you can hear in the background.
Btw i am not accusing a random person but these women are known for growing up in heera mendhi type community.

@Myth_buster_1 I thought we were done with this discussion.
Until and unless Uzma & Usman were were caught performing the sexual act in the presence of witness, Ms.Amna has no case.
She can file for civil case against husband seeking Khula, based on the fact that he had illicit relationship with a Model, and if Usman refuses, then Amna will still have to establish that both had extra marital affair.

If you want criminal charges against Uzma, it is not possible at this moment, because in presence of a camera & number of guards it is clear that they were NOT caught while performing the sexual act.

And for heaven sake stop calling anyone a prostitute, it was a consensual relationship, a case of Fornication.


Trust me, i dont know what I have got myself into. But I am just after principles.
Just because Wife is from rich corrupt background does not mean only she is in the wrong. The entire awam is after them while the two "girls" are becoming national hero for standing up. This is what I hate about this case.
Is malik corrupt? YES but he should be caught for a bigger problem like land grabbing money laundering etc... he can easily become a hero by either making his relatives or whoever was involved in this and have them do a light sentence to set them for an example for rich people to fallow and become hero while the girls get hefty amount of money to satisfy them.

These nuances are very difficult for the average Pakistani to process and understand.
For him/her, cultural biases and assumptions equate not only to the law but to Islam as well. End result is a society that is unjust and socially stunted.

thats just your self portrayal.
 
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