USN cannot defend herself from Brahmoos missile:Indian Expert

[Nilgiri]

surprised to find people even commenting on the thread video made by some fanboy who cant even spell brahmos.

if supersonic missiles are so dangerous then the usa and western powers would have had them instead of their subsonic counterparts.

p.s. they do have supersonic "antiship" missiles, anyone like to guess what it is?

Its an indian "expert" you see.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Its an indian "expert" you see.

the shupa powa expert or just the expert?

 

[Penguin]

if supersonic missiles are so dangerous then the usa and western powers would have had them instead of their subsonic counterparts.

How difficult would it be for the French to mate e.g. MM40 blk 3 warhead and guidance with, say, their mach 3 ASMP missile (in service since 1986, with a range between 80 km and 300 km (ASMP)/ 500 km (ASMPA) depending on flight profile), if they wanted to?

From Flight Global 1980
"ASSM (anti-surface ship missile) is designed to replace the first generation of antiship missiles such as Exocet and Kormoran.The weapon is required to have a longer range but no greater flight time than present missiles, better penetration of defences (achieved by modulating the motor thrust during the attack phase) and to be autonomous after launching. The programme has grown out of preliminary studies conducted by Aerospatiale and MBB in 1974; each was working on a second generation anti-ship missile, designated MM.100 and Hydra (later FK80) respectively.
In December of that year a prefeasibility study group was set up at the request of the Nato national armaments directors, and the results were presented the following July. Nato then established Project Group 16, comprising members from the six countries listed above together with Italy, having been reduced from 12 countries with some 40 potential contractors. The French and German companies formulated a joint proposal in October 1977 and were joined the following month by Hawker Siddeley Dynamics. The outline proposal for ASSM formulated so far is very similar to the parameters established by sub-group eight of Niag (Nato industrial advisory group). The required range of some 180km dictated the use of some type of ramjet, since an afterburning turbojet does not come into its own below about 200km and since a rocket motor is inefficient beyond some 110km. The most likely form of propulsion is a solid-propellant ram-rocket, giving a cruise speed of Mach 2-1-2-3. The initial weight targets of 600kg for air launch at Mach 0-75 and 700kg for operations from helicopters, using small boost motors, could not be met; the early studies showed that realistic weights would be 820kg for air launch and 970kg when fired from the surface or submarines, using strap-on boosters.
A dual-mode seeker is seen as being necessary to confer a high hit-probability in the face of diverse countermeasures. Active radar was the obvious choice as the main homing mode, and TV was originally the preferred backup; this would have allowed the target to be positively identified and the desired impact point to be selected, but it would also have required a midcourse data relay for over-the-horizon engagements and could not have met the requirement for autonomy after launching. Infra-red homing has therefore been selected as the back-up mode. Mid-course guidance is likely to use a strap-down inertial system, and the warhead is expected to weigh between 160kg and 200kg."
http://www.flightglobal.com/PDFArchive/View/1980/1980 - 2059.html

JPRS-WER-88-033
30 June 1988

ANS

Since 1981 the supersonic antiship missile system ANS (anti-navire supersonique) has been a German-French development project in which industry (Aerospatiale and MBB) has a substantial share with funds of its own.
The government division of costs was 60 percent for France and 40 percent for Germany. In mid-1987 the definition phase was concluded with successful flight tests, now the start of the development is pending. MBB subsidiary Bayern-Chemie in competition with Aerospatiale developed for ANS a controllable solid-propellant ram-jet engine, but it is still awaiting final qualification, so that government as well as industry side decided, to start with, to go with the French liquid ram-jet engine in the development phase, so that ANS can be operational in the mid-nineties. The thrust-controlled engine provides the missile with a preprogrammed flying speed dependent on the flight profile. Thus ANS—depending on flight altitude and approach profile—achieves a range of over 200 km. The fire-and-forget system has an active target-selecting radar homing head; the ability to penetrate the enemy defense is said to be assured by the high flying speed (up to 2.3 Mach), by evasive maneuvers with high lateral acceleration and high jamming resistance.
ANS is designed as a ship-to-ship, surface-to-ship, and air-to-ship version and the Navy—it hesitated for a long time to continue supporting ANS—has primarily a need for the ship-to-ship version to replace the Exocet. Later on the Harpoons and Kormorans will probably be replaced by it.
In the ship-to-ship version the start takes place from the pod with two booster motors jettisonable after the burn, in the air-to-ship version the booster engine can be omitted for fast aircraft; with slower carrier aircraft two small booster engines are required.
Also possible appears to be a smaller helicopter-based version, ANL, for which possibly the solid-propellant ramjet engine could be chosen.

 

[Blue Marlin]

How difficult would it be for the French to mate e.g. MM40 blk 3 warhead and guidance with, say, their mach 3 ASMP missile (in service since 1986, with a range between 80 km and 300 km (ASMP)/ 500 km (ASMPA) depending on flight profile), if they wanted to?

why do that when they can use the convention asmpa instead?

the mm40blk3 being a small missile and presumable small warhead would mean in theory it would be fairly easy i guess to mate the two together.

americain made sm-2/6 also serve as an anti ship missiles and can take down decent sized frigates <4000 tonnes

the brahmos and other missiles of the same/similar calibre are made to sink ships whilst the rest of the world just needs to disable them (adversary ships) instead

 

[Penguin]

why do that when they can use the convention asmpa instead?

the mm40blk3 being a small missile and presumable small warhead would mean in theory it would be fairly easy i guess to mate the two together.

americain made sm-2/6 also serve as an anti ship missiles and can take down decent sized frigates <4000 tonnes

the brahmos and other missiles of the same/similar calibre are made to sink ships whilst the rest of the world just needs to disable them (adversary ships) instead

Exocet
Weight 670 kilograms (1,480 lb)
Length 4.7 metres (15 ft 5 in)
Diameter 34.8 centimetres (1 ft 1.7 in)
Warhead 165 kilograms (364 lb)

ASMP
Weight 860 kg
Length 5.38 m
Diameter 380 mm
Warhead TN 81 nuclear warhead, 100 kt to 300 kt of TNT (variable yield) for ASMP or Airborne Nuclear Warhead (TNA) for ASMPA.

There is no conventional ASMP variant.


Brahmos has a 200-300 kg (440-660 lb) conventional semi-armour-piercing HE warhead
Yakhont has a 250 kg (551 lb) semi-armour piercing HE warhead
Club-S

• 3M-54E Club-S is the submarine launched anti-shipping variant, Its basic length is 8.2 m (27 ft), with a 200 kg (440 lb) warhead. Its range is 220 km; (note that its range is less than the 3M-54). It is a sea-skimmer with a supersonic terminal speed and a flight altitude of 4.6 metres (15 ft) at its final stage is 2.9 mach.[21]
• 3M-54E1 is a submarine-launched anti-shipping variant, Its basic length is 6.2 m (20 ft), with a 400 kg (880 lb) warhead. Its range is 300 km (190 mi). It is a sea-skimmer with a subsonic terminal speed of 0.8 mach. It is allegedly capable of disabling or even sinking an aircraft carrier.

Club-N

• 3M-54TE Club-N - A surface vessel with VLS launched anti-shipping variant; with a thrust vectoring booster. Its basic length is 8.9 m, its warhead weight and other performance is the same as the 3M-54E. Its range is less than the 3M-54. It is a sea-skimmer with supersonic terminal speed and a flight altitude of 15 feet (4.6 m) at its final stage, when it has a speed of 2.9 mach, with a range of 220 km (140 mi) at supersonic speed.
• 3M-54TE1 - A surface ship with VLS anti-shipping variant, with thrust vectoring booster. Its basic length is 8.9 m (29 ft), its warhead weight and other performance is the same as the 3M-54E1. A sea-skimmer with a subsonic terminal speed of 0.8 mach. It is also allegedly capable of disabling or even sinking an aircraft carrier, with a range of 300 km (190 mi) at supersonic speed.

Harpoon has a 221kg (488 lbs) warhead
HFIII has a 225 kg warhead with self-forging fragments
Otomat has a 210 kg (463 lb) warhead
RBS-15 has a 200 kg HE blast and pre-fragmented warhead.

Not a lot of difference there in terms of warheads.

ESSM, Sea Sparow, Aspide etc can also be used against ships. Like SM1/2, these are all semi-active radar homing. It works a little different with the active homing SM6 and ESSM blk 2, but still antiship capable.

 

[xyxmt]

It gave zitters to china spine when we deployed bramos to china border.


Buddy do you even know what bramos is all about ? US and India are partners however, its correct US does not have a weapon at this moment to stop Bramos, there is only one defense shield that may stop bramos that's Braak 8 developed by India and Israel. For your self orgasm , we are still a poor county.

So Barhamos made for India by Russia become Indian Missile
just as Barak-8 developed by India and Israel

 

[XDescendantX]

Brahmoos or Brahmin?

 

[MULUBJA]

This is not what an Indian says.The content in video is an extract of analysis by an American analyst. There is one thread on PDF itself goes by title named how to defend Brahmos American analysis.

 

[DJ_Viper]

Brahmos is invincible

What dumb crap is being shown in these nonsense videos!! The USN ships don't just hangout alone like a fishing boat! In any high threat areas, we have CBG's. Each CBG usually has 30-35 ships plus Subs!! Each one of them has air-defense systems and the last layer is the CIWS. But before you get to the CIWS, you have SMI, SMII, SMIII and all the way to SM6!

Unlike the stupid video says, the interceptor missiles don't have to "chase" after any Bra-homos , or whatever crap is out there. The interceptor missiles are a representation of a firing solution determined by very complex and most advanced super-computing platforms. These systems determine various "interception points" for an inbound missile no matter what the speed may be (as they are reading the speed in real time calculating the change in speed due to maneuvers per milli-second and thus changing their firing solutions also).

So something can be coming towards an object from a few hundred miles away, doesn't mean a lower frequency or velocity object can't cross paths and create an interception point (referring to the interceptor missile as a lower velocity vehicle per the video author's silly imagination, even though is sheer stupidity to think like this). So, Mr. Bra-homos, before the impact, will have several of those interception points as it would be headed towards an AEGIS system.

The AEGIS system will be using stuff from SM1 to SM6 (referring to the THAAD's various components). One full Aegis system can handle about 100 incoming missiles from well over 100 miles to thousands of miles away. And the US has the entire AEGIS network comprising of various components spread across the globe, so many hundreds of missiles can be handled simultaneously. And finally, then there are land based systems for area defenses.

One also needs to remember the results of firing any Bra-homos towards a USN vessel. Their air-bases and naval basic might not exist within the next hour.

So yea . So for the author, its time to wake up and change the sheets, they are all wet. When will you grow up child?

 

[MULUBJA]

Actually , the extract of video is from this article by an US think tank.

Explained – How The US Navy Can Shoot Down The Deadly BrahMos Missile


This is the third part of the series. We have covered introduction and detection of anti-ship missiles in general in the earlier articles. We strongly suggest you to read those 2 articles before proceeding with this as it will give you a better idea of what is explained here. In this article we will specifically deal with shooting down the famous Indo-Russian Anti Ship missile, the BrahMos. This missile has been chosen as it is currently the fastest and probably the deadliest anti-ship missile in service. The Russian variant of BrahMos is called Onyx and the export variant is called Yakhont. Its NATO reporting name is SS-N-26 Stallion. If you want to know how these missles work, i suggest you read my earlier article here
Do note that no classified information is revealed in this analysis and all the data used are publicly released figures. The analysis uses logic, physics and mathematics with the available data in order to present a general idea of how it will be to face BrahMos and measures to counter it.
The main advantages of BrahMos are

• Mach 3 (2500-3000 km/hr) speed (which makes it very difficult to detect and track)
• 300 kg Semi-Armor piercing warhead (which causes massive damage upon impact)
• Very high kinetic energy on impact (which disintegrates smaller ships and cripples larger ones)
• S-manoeuver just a few seconds before impact (which makes interception very difficult)
• 300 km range in Hi-Lo altitude profile
• 400+ km range in Hi-altitude profile
• No wings (makes it harder to shoot down as winged missiles plunge into water after suffering wing damage)

The main disadvantages of BrahMos are

• Only 120 km range when using Lo-altitude sea-skimming profile
• Not intelligent ( can’t take evasive measures on its own to avoid interceptor missiles and follows predetermined path)

A Salvo of BrahMos © Saurav Chordia
There is a lot of rumor that the BrahMos is impossible to shoot down. This is mainly due to the fact that NATO missile defense systems were prepared to handle Mach 1-1.5 speed Anti-Ship missiles which Russia possessed during the Cold War. But after the Mach 2-3 speed Onyx/BrahMos was developed, it surprised the western world and it is unknown what specific measures have been taken to handle this supersonic threat. But the US Navy is well prepared to protect its fleet from such a threat. The stages involved in shooting down Onyx/BrahMos using modern anti-missile systems will be explained.

Burkes of the US Navy during a SAM firing exercise
Long Range SAM
The best part of using a long range SAM to defend a ship is that you can shoot the AShM launch platform itself (aircraft) before it can fire missiles at you! Since you eliminate the source of the threat, you ensure safety of the fleet. Long range SAM systems are those which fall in the 80-250 km category like SM-2, SM-6, Aster 30, HQ-9, SA-N-6 Grumble (Naval S300), 9M96E (Naval S400). But let’s consider the SAMs which are most likely to face the BrahMos. The US Navy uses the SM-2 as its standard long range SAM on its destroyers. It has a range of 90+ km and uses a semi-active homing radar seeker which means that the mechanically scanning illuminators on board the warships should provide them with guidance. This proves to be a handicap as a Burke carries 3 centrally mounted SPG-62 illuminators which will find it difficult to deal with a multi directional missile attack. Normally, once the missile is detected at longer ranges if its following a high altitude profile, multiple SM-2 missiles are launched to counter the threat. 2-3 SAMs are fired against subsonic threats, so it is safe to assume that 4-5 SAMs will be fired at a single incoming BrahMos missile. Again, the SM-2 wasn’t designed to handle a missile flying at 3 times the speed of sound but designed to handle Soviet missiles flying at 1-1.5 times the speed of sound. So it’s going to be a very difficult task to shoot down BrahMos, as the attacking party will launch the BrahMos ideally 120 km away from the Burke to ensure a complete sea-skimming flight and to delay detection. The SM-6 is however is a different case and can intercept supersoonic missiles at sea-skimming altitudes and high altitudes as well. This will be a key weapon for the US Navy to defend its fleet against missiles like the BrahMos.

SM-2 being launched from the Mk41 VLS
Medium Range SAM
A Burke with its Octagonal SPY-1 radar visible
Let us consider a scenario in which a Burke class destroyer escorting a carrier battle group (CBG) is faced with a swarm of 8 BrahMos/Yakhont Anti-Ship missiles. Once the missiles are detected by the AWACS at 150+ km from the ship, the usual procedure would be to direct fighter jets from a nearby carrier towards the missile to shoot it down. But in this case, the missile is traveling at 3 times the speed of sound. Fighter jets will have 1/3 the time to react when compared to facing subsonic missiles. Hence the chances of a successful shoot down by fighters is less. But if we consider a solitary destroyer acting on its own, then the BrahMos will be detected at about 25-30 km from the ship. Considering a salvo of 8 BrahMos and that the missile travels at 1km/sec, the Burke has about 25-30 seconds to react. Launching long range missiles would be futile at this point because the missiles are closing in on the ship fast. The Medium range option available on the Burke is the 50 km range Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM) which is quad packed and hence large quantities are available. This is very useful as one cell packs 4 MR-SAM compared to 1 LR-SAM. While intercepting supersonic anti-ship missiles, a large number of SAMs are fired to ensure successful interception. So in this case, we can consider about 16-24 ESSM ripple fired from the Burke towards the incoming missiles. We have 4 SAMs targeting each BrahMos missile and the probability of interception is ‘theoretically’ 100%. Practically, the BrahMos may break through these defenses.

Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile (ESSM)
But there’s a big flaw in this if you haven’t noticed. Firing 24 ESSM takes 24 seconds, 4 ESSM target 1 BrahMos, so 24 of these can target 6 BrahMos and by that time the last few ESSM have been fired, there are still 2 BrahMos missiles left untargeted and speeding towards the Burke. So what’s the flaw? Think ……….If 16 BrahMos missiles (the capacity of new gen Russian frigates and Indian destroyers) were fired instead of 8, the defense of the Burke would be saturated if it’s operating alone. The Phalanx CIWS and Softkill countermeasures would probably manage to counter 2 more BrahMos, but then you have 6 remaining supersonic anti-ship missiles with 300 kg semi-armor piercing warheads ramming at full speed into a 9000 ton destroyer. Hence we can assume the saturation limit for a single Burke stands at 12 BrahMos missiles. So if it goes one on one with a Russian frigate or Indian destroyer carrying 16 BrahMos, it’s not returning home.

US Navy Carrier Battle Group
So what did we learn from this? We learnt that if a ship possesses purely medium range SAM systems, its chances of survival are very low in a modern conflict. If it faces a missile like BrahMos, its chances reduced threefold. Hence many navies are opting for a layered defense system with AEW systems to protect their expensive warships. But there will be another doubt in your mind once you’ve read this. You’ll wonder how the AEGIS, which is the best in the world can’t deal with 20-30 missiles like BrahMos, and is the US Navy leaving its ships vulnerable to threats like these. The answer is yes and no. YES, The AEGIS is the best in the world because it can combine data from every ship and aircraft radar in the fleet ad draw a big picture of the surrounding airspace. It gets early data from E-2 aircraft which enables it to intercept missiles 100+ km from the fleet. And NO because even the worlds most advanced anti-missile system has a saturation limit. The exact value is not disclosed for obvious reasons, but considering a CBG will have 3 AEGIS equipped escorts in wartime, 48 fighters with 8 on Combat Air Patrol (CAP)and 2 E-2s will be airborne for providing Over The Horizon (OTH) radar coverage, the saturation limit for this CBG will be around 64 BrahMos missiles. The 300 km range of the BrahMos in mixed altitude flight and 120 km range in low altitude flight means that it cannot be fired from beyond the radar coverage of the CBG. Hence the deadliest delivery platform will be Russian Yasen subs which carry 32 Yakhont/BrahMos and can fire them while submerged. Now that we dealt with BrahMos against the famous AEGIS equipped Burke, let us see how other anti-missile systems fare against it.

INS Kolkata carries 16 BrahMos and 32 Barak-8
There is one specific missile which has been designed from scratch to shoot down BrahMos. It’s the Indo-Israeli Barak-8 SAM. This missile was primarily developed by Israel to equip its warships to protect them from the Yakhont missiles which its neighbor was procuring. Israeli ships carried only short range SAMs and didn’t have modern radars capable of handling a dedicated attack by its enemies using Yakhont missiles. The answer to this problem was the extremely agile and accurate Barak-8 which packed the best available technology into a medium sized missile. Since it was developed with Indian assistance, I assume that India would have provided classified data about BrahMos so that Barak-8 can be made into the ultimate missile killer for the Indian and Israeli Navy. With a max range of 70 km, it operates in conjunction with the MF-STAR radar which can detect sea skimming missiles at 30-35 km range. It combined a medium range and short range missile into one missile, having a minimum engagement range of just 300 m and max of 70 km. There are claims that a single Barak-8 can stop a BrahMos as close as 500 m from a ship. One of the reasons behind the claims is that the Barak-8 is very accurate and has an active homing radar seeker, 8which enables the ship to technically forget about the missile after its launch and the missile finds the target on its own although the ship does provide guidance and mid-course updates. Since the Barak-8 can have a continuous lock on the incoming missile with its own radar and the MF-STAR can guide 24 Barak-8 missiles to 12 targets simultaneously, the saturation limit for a Kolkata class destroyer against the BrahMos stands at 12 missiles. This however is a contradiction in itself as the Kolkata class carries the BrahMos as well as the Barak-8. This means that the Indian Navy deploys the poison and the antidote on the same platform.
From the above analysis, don’t jump to the conclusion that the Kolkata class is equal to the Burke in missile defense role. Since the Kolkata carries just 32 Barak-8 and Burke carries 96 SAMs which can be increased to 192+ by quadpacking ESSM, the Burke equals Kolkata in the saturation missile defense role against BrahMos only. The superior load of the Burke allows it to withstand sustained missile attacks with its massive missile load. The Burke has advantages and can shoot down missiles at 200 km range when paired with AEW assets, but the Kolkata cant. In this analysis, both are considered equal as we are dealing solely with the BrahMos missile against solitary warships.
Short Range (Point Defense) SAM
If you are in a situation where you have to use a short range SAM to shoot down an anti-ship missile, then you’re already in deep trouble. It means that the hostile incoming missile has managed to evade the umbrella of defense provided by longer range SAMs. Hence they form the last line of defense. The target ship has around 5-10 seconds to react if it’s a supersonic AShM and around 20-30 seconds to react if it’s a subsonic AShM because the range of these SAMs is in the 10-15 km category. A volley of 8-12 point defense SAMs are usually fired in order to shoot down 2-3 incoming AShMs. Since the AShMs are very close to the ship, there’s no second chance available to defend itself and so the target ship fires as many missiles as possible to defend itself in this do or die situation. The popular SR-SAM systems are RAM, Barak-1, Crotale, Gauntlet (Naval Tor) etc.
Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM)
So how does a ship defend itself against BrahMos using short range SAM systems? If these systems are part of a layered defense system, then they have to deal with only 1 or 2 missiles as the remaining BrahMos would have been neutralized by the longer ranged systems. This is a relatively simple task for systems like the Rolling Airframe Missile (RAM) or Barak-1 which are designed to kill sea skimming supersonic missiles. But even these can’t handle more then 2-3 BrahMos on their own as they have a range of 10 km which gives them just a few seconds to react ad only a few missiles can be fired in that time.
So if you’re on a warship which has only a short range SAM system for defense, and more than 2 BrahMos missiles are fired at you, your future is bleak. Your only hope is to close your eyes and accept the inevitable.
Anti-Missile Guns
Guns are extremely popular in modern day air defense systems due to their quick reaction times and the ability to shoot down targets at very short ranges. Most modern navies use Close in Weapon Systems (CIWS) which consists of a high rate of fire gun acting on its own or combined with short range SAM systems. Currently, the US Navy deploys Phalanx CIWS on all its destroyers. It is a closed loop system, with the search-tracking radar and the 20 mm Gatling gun and ammunition combined into a self-sustained system. It has a max range of 3 km and an effective range of 1.5 km when dealing with low flying cruise missiles. If it faces a single BrahMos which has bypassed other missile defense layers, the radar of the Phalanx locks on to the BrahMos and unleashes a torrent of 20 mm depleted uranium projectiles which should shred the BrahMos easily. But, that’s not going to happen. The Phalanx fires at 3000 rounds per minute which translates into 50 rounds per second. Since the BrahMos flies at 1 km per sec and the effective range of Phalanx is 1.5 km, it has just 1.5 seconds to shoot down the BrahMos when the BrahMos is 1.5 km away from the ship. And since BrahMos is travelling so fast, if you shoot it less than 500 km away from you ship, its fragments will still strike your ship at high speeds and cause damage. So BrahMos has to be engaged between 500 m and 1.5 km by the Phalanx. This gives it a total firing time of 1 second. And since it needs half a second to reach full rate of fire, only around 40 rounds can be fired in that time.
Phalanx CIWS
It doesn’t end here, BrahMos performs an S-manoeuver in its final few km of flight. This makes it extremely difficult for Phalanx to get a lock on BrahMos. It will have less than 2 seconds to lock on to a maneuvering target flying at 3 times the speed of sound. It is practically impossible for the Phalanx to shoot down BrahMos. Hence the US navy is replacing it with RAM on its bigger warships as it triples the range and gives a better chance of survival for a warship. But there is no RAM on Burkes and they have a single Phalanx only. The older variants have 2, but it’s not like it makes much of a difference. Phalanx is useful against subsonic targets and supersonic ones travelling at Mach 1-1.5. Against BrahMos, it’s useless.
The US Navy is working on a solution to this already. The answer is in their Laser CIWS system which has been operationally deployed recently. It is currently capable of shooting down slow aerial and surface targets, but with improvements, by the next decade, a laser CIWS would be widely deployed and would be capable of swatting multiple BrahMos missiles like flies. But then again, a hypersonic version of BrahMos is under development which will enter service in the next decade. Flying at Mach 5-7, it could prove to be a headache for lasers as well. But we’ll know that 10 years from now.

US Navy Ship board Laser Weapon
CONCLUSION
The BrahMos is not an invincible missile. It is just a bigger headache for the ones at the receiving end of it.
The BrahMos is not an invincible missile. It is just a bigger headache for the ones at the receiving end of it. With a decent SAM system, you may be able to defend your ship against attacks by subsonic missiles. But to defend yourself from the BrahMos, you need an expensive, high-end, layered missile defense system. If you have powerful and networked Air Defense systems like the US Navy and the Royal Navy, you have a chance of survival. But smaller navies using basic air defense systems don’t stand a chance. Their only hope is prayer. So if you’re a warship captain, it’s always safer to be on the side which has BrahMos/Yakhont than to be on the side which has to face the BrahMos. By your bad luck if you end up facing the BrahMos, prayer is another option.

Explained – How The US Navy Can Shoot Down The Deadly BrahMos Missile | Defencyclopedia

 

[Penguin]

In any high threat areas, we have CBG's. Each CBG usually has 30-35 ships plus Subs!!

The AEGIS system will be using stuff from SM1 to SM6 (referring to the THAAD's various components). One full Aegis system can handle about 100 incoming missiles from well over 100 miles to thousands of miles away.

No, a CSG does not typically consist of 30-35 ships. The entire USN has 62 Arleigh Burkes DDG and 22 Ticonderoga CG, while the USN has a aircraft carrier fleet of 10 CVN in service: you do the math. A CSG or CVBG normally consist of an aircraft carrier, at least one cruiser, a destroyer squadron of at least two destroyers and/or frigates, and a carrier air wing of 65 to 70 aircraft. A carrier strike group also, on occasion, includes submarines, attached logistics ships and a supply ship.

The Standard SM1 missile was retired from USN service in 2003.

The AN/SPY-1. Known as "the Shield of the Fleet", the SPY high-powered (6 mW) radar is able to perform search, tracking, and missile guidance functions simultaneously with a track capacity of well over 100 targets at more than 100 nautical miles (190 km). However, the AN/SPY-1 Radar is mounted lower than the AN/SPS-49 radar system and so has a reduced radar horizon. At "thousands of miles away", it can in principle track only (very) high altitude targets, due to the earth's curvature. That is why a CSG relies on the carrier's AEWC aircraft for long range detection.

 

[Penguin]

Actually , the extract of video is from this article by an US think tank.

Explained – How The US Navy Can Shoot Down The Deadly BrahMos Missile

Flaws here:

• Assumption that 16 VLS cells on a Kolkata class that are capable of Brahmos means that all are loaded with antiship version. This is like assuming all 96 VLS cells on Arleigh Burke are loaded with anti-air/missile weapons (which we know they are not, since they load VL Asroc, Tomahawk, and a mix of ESSM, SM2, SM3 and SM6). In future likely also LRASM.
  
• Brahmos flying lo-hi-lo can effectively be intercepted by SM2 even if that missile was not specifically designed to handle low altitude/skimming missiles (as if aircraft cannot fly extremely low).
• Brahmos flying a lo-lo-lo (p;ossibly making SM2 interception more difficult) means a starkly reduced range, placing firing platform at risk of strike early on.

"The answer to this problem was the extremely agile and accurate Barak-8 which packed the best available technology into a medium sized missile. Since it was developed with Indian assistance, I assume that India would have provided classified data about BrahMos so that Barak-8 can be made into the ultimate missile killer for the Indian and Israeli Navy. With a max range of 70 km, it operates in conjunction with the MF-STAR radar which can detect sea skimming missiles at 30-35 km range. It combined a medium range and short range missile into one missile, having a minimum engagement range of just 300 m and max of 70 km. There are claims that a single Barak-8 can stop a BrahMos as close as 500 m from a ship. One of the reasons behind the claims is that the Barak-8 is very accurate and has an active homing radar seeker, 8which enables the ship to technically forget about the missile after its launch and the missile finds the target on its own although the ship does provide guidance and mid-course updates. Since the Barak-8 can have a continuous lock on the incoming missile with its own radar and the MF-STAR can guide 24 Barak-8 missiles to 12 targets simultaneously, the saturation limit for a Kolkata class destroyer against the BrahMos stands at 12 missiles. This however is a contradiction in itself as the Kolkata class carries the BrahMos as well as the Barak-8. This means that the Indian Navy deploys the poison and the antidote on the same platform."

• US has missiles of greater range
• SM6 is also active radar homing, as is ESSM block 2 (like Barak-8).
• Radar horizon for ships is comparable, but:
  • US has better long range detection via AEWCs
  • US has Cooperative Engagement Capability on its ships (allowing one ship to shoot/guide missiles from another) and likewise between ships and air platforms (E2C but also e.g. F-35)

"Barak-8 is very accurate and has an active homing radar seeker, 8which enables the ship to technically forget about the missile after its launch and the missile finds the target on its own although the ship does provide guidance and mid-course updates. Since the Barak-8 can have a continuous lock on the incoming missile with its own radar and the MF-STAR can guide 24 Barak-8 missiles to 12 targets simultaneously, the saturation limit for a Kolkata class destroyer against the BrahMos stands at 12 missiles"
Read this closely.
Then consider:
IF an active radar homing missile is truely 'fire and forget' THEN how come MF-STAR needs to guide anything?
IF MF-STAR can guide 24 Barak-8 to 12 targets simultaneously, THEN Barak-8 is NOT fully fire-and-forget and also is NOT one-missile-one-hit.

In reality, with an active radar homing missile, there is a need to guide the missile in 'lock on after launch' situations (typically the longer range intercepts, where you need target data refreshing via datalink, whereas shorter range you can preload waypoints), for the first part of the missile's flight when its onboard active radar has not yet gone active AND acquired the target. Once that has happened, the missile doesn't need ship-radar-based input anymore and becaome autononous. At which point the ship can guide another missile in flight (so that's a 'rolling' number).
What MF-STAR does for LOAL launches of active Barak-8 is no different then what Thales APAR does with semi-active radar homing missiles (16 missiles terminal, while another 16 in the air). The difference is that with a SARH missile, you can only add another (beyond 32 missiles) once a target is hit. Whereas for MF STAR you can add another missile as soon as a preceeding missile in the air locks its own radar on to a target.
Note that this applies for ANY active radar homing missile, including SM6 and ESSM blk 2. This is why USN ships can make do with 3-4 AN/SPG-62 for active missile initial guidance, and why SM-6 increases the number of targets they can handle.
The AN/SY-6 radar (a.k.a. AMDR for Air and Missile Defense Radar) that flight 3 Burkes will receive is 30 times more sensitive and can simultaneously handle over 30 times the targets of the existing AN/SPY-1D(V) in order to counter large and complex raids.

 

[Mrc]

Nothing can intercept brahmos... in a test they whispered brahmos in captain'ear... and ship sank

 

[ashok321]

BrahMos can't be intercepted in next 20 years, says Pillai - YouTube
BrahMos Aerospace Chief A Sivathanu Pillai: BrahMos Missile ...

Pillai is the father of BrahMos.

 

[Penguin]

IF The main advantages of BrahMos are

• Mach 3 (2500-3000 km/hr) speed (which makes it very difficult to detect and track)
• 300 kg Semi-Armor piercing warhead (which causes massive damage upon impact)
• Very high kinetic energy on impact (which disintegrates smaller ships and cripples larger ones)
• S-manoeuver just a few seconds before impact (which makes interception very difficult)
• 300 km range in Hi-Lo altitude profile
• 400+ km range in Hi-altitude profile
• No wings (makes it harder to shoot down as winged missiles plunge into water after suffering wing damage)

THEN, lets see:

• Supersonic missiles, while fast, are not a new phenomenon and have not rendered the USN obsolete (nor will the 2006 Brahmos): the Soviet Union already had Kh-22 (AS-4 Kitchen) in 1962, to which were added Moskit (SS-N-22 SUNBURN) in 1970, P-500 Bazalt (SS-N-12 SANDBOX) in 1975, P-700 Granit in 1980, P-800 Oniks (SS-N-26) in 1983, P-1000 in 1985, and Kh-15 (AS-16 Kickback).
  
• Many antiship missiles employ semi-armored piercing warheads, many of which weigh over 200kg. Yakhont/Onyx has a 250 kg (551 lb) semi-armour piercing warhead. Harpoon 221kg and LRASM 450 kg.
  
• Why an S-manoeuvre just before impact would be more difficult to deal with for a missile or gun based CIWS than is designed to deal with e.g. the continuous changes in flight alititude of an antiship missile really is beyond me.
• Long range at higher altitude profiles is off set by earlier radar detection (= less time to hide 'below the radar'), which translates to more time for countermeasures.
• Not many modern anti-ship missiles do have actual wings, and Brahmos has fins much like many other antiship missiles (e.g. Exocet, C802), it has a relatively large(r) diameter, poorly shaped frontal area (> rcs) and a much bigger thermal signature relative to a typical subsonic missile with a small air breathing aero-engine.

Imho that leaves only the very high kinetic energy release on impact, even of missile debris. Plus the need to detect earlier and engage farther out, for staying withing a given response time.