Use Afghan Refugees To Join Neighboring Afghan States With Pakistan:---

[Genghis khan1]

@MastanKhan
Dividing Afghanistan into ethnic parts and merging them with neighbouring countries is not a new idea. When I was in Afghanistan, this same idea was brought up by Afghans themselves during discussions. Many of them thinks, this could possibly be the only permanent solution to their never ending ethnic conflict. I think Pakistan can surely bank on this idea and can increase it's population, land and therefore resources, plus once Afghanistan is merged, Pakistan will have direct link with central Asian states. Considering Pakistan will be a stronger neighbour, and some historical ties. Central Asian states will quickly fall under Pakistan sphere of Influence.

On the other hand Mid-eastern countries are begging for a daddy like figure to give them sense of security. Turkey in Qatar, UK in Bahrain are stepping in and building their permanent bases. Pakistan mid-east policy is a blunder, If Pakistani political and military leader show some spine, kick some ***, and create some permanent bases in ME. Now you are talking about an Empire. Empire like that of Timur the Great (Tamerlane). whose influence spread from central Asia to Mid-East. All Pakistan need is a leader with a vision and a spine.

 

[Manidabest]

Yes but as long as the Northern Alliance will be in power it wont b possible.... also Saudia Arabia, Iran, Russiaand China must be taken in board for such action then it can be possible...

 

[Bouncer]

Everyone will start crying, including some in Pakistan too. Uncle Sam, EU, Japan and numerous others will literally rape our already fragile economy. We'll probably face international sanctions for a decade or so, unless another 9/11 happens. Unless somehow we manage to hold a referendum over there and manage to show the world that that's what the people living there actually want. So... no thank you.

 

[aakash_2410]

Be careful what you wish for because you might just get it.

 

[Bouncer]

Now you are talking about an Empire. Empire like that of Timur the Great (Tamerlane). whose influence spread from central Asia to Mid-East. All Pakistan need is a leader with a vision and a spine.

And good weed, apparently. Empire lol

Dude look at our economy. We are struggling to meet our expenses even with massive loans. Forget PSDP, the Fed Gov would have defaulted without IMF loans. So pray tell, how are we going to find the monies for this empire?

 

[Genghis khan1]

And good weed, apparently. Empire lol

Dude look at our economy. We are struggling to meet our expenses even with massive loans. Forget PSDP, the Fed Gov would have defaulted without IMF loans. So pray tell, how are we going to find the monies for this empire?

Well, no doubt there will be lot of internal fixing required. Pakistan have to hang dozen of people daily for quite sometime, lot of chtirol and effective judicial system . It's a step by step process, and can be done concurrently with the foreign affairs. Read about how Babur build Mughal empire out of nothing or how Timur (Tamerlane) lead the legacy of Genghis Khan , if not the Rise of Germany (1939-1941).

Everyone will start crying, including some in Pakistan too. Uncle Sam, EU, Japan and numerous others will literally rape our already fragile economy. We'll probably face international sanctions for a decade or so, unless another 9/11 happens. Unless somehow we manage to hold a referendum over there and manage to show the world that that's what the people living there actually want. So... no thank you.

 

[Manidabest]

Well, no doubt there will be lot of internal fixing required. Pakistan have to hang dozen of people daily for quite sometime, lot of chtirol and effective judicial system . It's a step by step process, and can be done concurrently with the foreign affairs. Read about how Babur build Mughal empire out of nothing or how Timur (Tamerlane) lead the legacy of Genghis Khan , if not the Rise of Germany (1939-1941).

ohh Yes the rise of Germany was good but other powers couldnt bear it ... but seriously if Afghanistan, Pakistan & Tajikistan oh yes Tajikistan unites then it will be easy to control the situation .. some give & take is required ... but the system needs to be Federal a purely American Presidential system with a little bit of British & European Union ... with equal representations of all the nations in union regardless of population of each nation.... i mean not like now where winning in majority in one province let one party make the federal government ....

 

[Silverblaze]

Half of them would end up in karachi further complicating ethnic tensions there.

and this concept that pakistan and afghanistan have been together for centuries is a bit exaggerated. People who think that disregard the fact that across the indus culture was and is still different due indus valley civilization and the vedic civlization and utimately the mughal empire in which the core was east of the indus.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Half of them would end up in karachi further complicating ethnic tensions there.

and this concept that pakistan and afghanistan have been together for centuries is a bit exaggerated. People who think that disregard the fact that across the indus culture was and is still different due indus valley civilization and the vedic civlization and utimately the mughal empire in which the core was east of the indus.

It is the govt failure to develop other part of Pakistan. People come to Karachi or any other major city to earn living. No one likes to leave their hometown happily. This was the same reason majority of Muhajirs turn to Karachi cuz they saw opportunity. Ethnic tension is politically motivated is being dealt by Rangers quite effectively.

 

[Silverblaze]

It is the govt failure to develop other part of Pakistan. People come to Karachi or any other major city to earn living. No one likes to leave their hometown happily. This was the same reason majority of Muhajirs turn to Karachi cuz they saw opportunity. Ethnic tension is politically motivated is being dealt by Rangers quite effectively.

Afghan refugees are not exactly pakistani citizens so their unchecked migration to karachi does cause problems. No country ever allows such a phenomenon to take place.

Sadly, ethnic problems are a fact and have been there since the 50s. Solution is a long term process. And to say that muslims from india just came to karachi for jobs isn't true, karachi was not the karachi of today in 47.

 

[Genghis khan1]

ohh Yes the rise of Germany was good but other powers couldnt bear it ... but seriously if Afghanistan, Pakistan & Tajikistan oh yes Tajikistan unites then it will be easy to control the situation .. some give & take is required ... but the system needs to be Federal a purely American Presidential system with a little bit of British & European Union ... with equal representations of all the nations in union regardless of population of each nation.... i mean not like now where winning in majority in one province let one party make the federal government ....

There are lot of historical strings that Pakistan can pull from Central Asia to Turkey. After all, all this land was ruled by Timur and he was from Central Asia just like ottomans Turks and Mughals. System should be Islamic based on historical Timurid dynasty, that will keep all people united.

Afghan refugees are not exactly pakistani citizens so their unchecked migration to karachi does cause problems. No country ever allows such a phenomenon to take place.

Sadly, ethnic problems are a fact and have been there since the 50s. Solution is a long term process. And to say that muslims from india just came to karachi for jobs isn't true, karachi was not the karachi of today in 47.

Unfortunately, Karachi of 47 was lot better than Karachi of today. Same could have been said about about migrants of India, uncheck migration into Karachi, but fact is repeated failure of govt to develop other part of Pakistan is causing over crowding of Karachi. Nonetheless, once they are part of Pakistan, they will be citizen ultimately and if proper resources were provided to their area, no one is coming to Karachi.

 

[Silverblaze]

Same could have been said about about migrants of India, uncheck migration into Karachi, but fact is repeated failure of govt to develop other part of Pakistan is causing over crowding of Karachi.

Well, no. It was partition of British India and they voted and opted for the new state of pakistan. Afghan refugees did not vote nor were they part of british india or its partition and hence their claim on the state of pakistan is none.

Iran does not give citizenship to afghan refugees. No country allows such a massive movement of migrants to their cities unchecked.

 

[Manidabest]

There are lot of historical strings that Pakistan can pull from Central Asia to Turkey. After all, all this land was ruled by Timur and he was from Central Asia just like ottomans Turks and Mughals. System should be Islamic based on historical Timurid dynasty, that will keep all people united.


I dont think that is possible today ... but one thing is possible uniting Pakistan Tajikistan & afghanistan but there will be some give and take... Tajiks wants to come out of being an isolated landlocked country, afghans need stability, and pakistan can provide both... but i repeat we need a true federation with a Presidential system in place & every nation( includes Punjabis, Pashtuns, Balochs, Sindhis, gilgit baltistaniss) in a union needs to have equal representation in senate

 

[Genghis khan1]

Well, no. It was partition of British India and they voted and opted for the new state of pakistan. Afghan refugees did not vote nor were they part of british india or its partition and hence their claim on the state of pakistan is none.

Iran does not give citizenship to afghan refugees. No country allows such a massive movement of migrants to their cities unchecked.

Did you even read the thread or it's replies. We are talking about merging Afghan land into Pakistan. Stop worrying about your Karachi. People of current Pakistan voted and opted for new state, minority from India came to majority muslim Pakistan. They didn't brought any land with them. So just like they were given space in Pakistan so will any other migrant in future Worst come to worst, if new Pakistanis did decided to come to Karachi and disturb your comfort, we will get your out of Karachi and let you live in Cholistan.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Hi,

As the issues with Afghanistan and india are never ending----Pakistan must look at things thru a different lens.

My suggestion would be to use the 3 1/2 million afghan refugees to Pakistan's advantage. We know very well that these refugees don't want to go back to Afghanistan and want to stay in Pakistan.

So---if Pakistan can give them an incentive----that they go back to Afghanistan---move into the neighboring states across the border and start a movement to join Pakistan and break away those states from Afghanistan.

So---the problem with Afghanistan can be resolved that way---the Pashtun states join Pakistan---and the remaining non Pashtun states keep their Afghanistan---.

So---by default---the afghan refugees can now claim to be living in Pakistan and Pakistan would be happy to accommodate them as its own citizen.

Dude what shit are you smoking? And @Neutron man you gave him one positive rating for that?