USA vs Pakistan scenario.

[salimpheku]

Any land invasion by USA on Pakistan would end up as a spectacular disaster for US.

No country in the world can afford a land invasion on another country and sustain it. The modern warfare in last 50 years is a testament to that fact.

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

In a conventional war if your ground forces mass USAF bombers will destroy you. A Single F-15 can destroy multiple tanks or artillery guns.

Pakistan is not Somalia where you can go bombing willy nilly.

it would depend on how the Pakistani populace wants to resist.

The question is how will Pakistan react, at best what it can do is attack US interests in Afghanistan. And the whole world knows attacking US is equivalent to suicide. US will knock down all defences and go ahead and bomb the hell out of you. It won't come down to that thought as Pakistan will do whatever US will ask it to do.

They used to say the same about the USSR.

I think Pakistan has very little chance to win. Even economic santions by US means Pakistan will be crippled.

No one will win.

You won't be able to lift a plane off the ground without the US knowing, say goodbye to majority of your air and naval assets, infrastructure, power grids, turn your radars on and say good bye to them to, you name it, US would dominate there air in the first couple days of the war. Same applies for most countries.

It would take time for them to mobilise an aerial attack against Pakistan. By that time, you can say goodbye to most major US military assets within a 2100 mile radius that will be under the range of Pakistani bombers. Pakistan will shortly after, concentrate its Air Force in Central Pakistan and have a small chunk in the South to slow down US aerial operations.

Any further sustained conflict will an economical collapse in Pakistan. Iran, China, Russia etc wouldn't cross US if they go full mad, not for Pakistan.

Of Course, one of the first thing that happens to a country that is overwhelming being invaded is the collapse of their economy - but they can still carry out the fight for a long time before unconventional forces become norm.

US would definitely be stretched out by the war and could not be able to prevent other countries from giving support to Pakistan, except verbal condemnations and intimidating actions; there is little the US would be able to do. China would militarily support Pakistan covertly by sharing intelligence, supplying logistical aid, providing minor arms, deploying advisors, distracting the US through threatening maneuvers in the South China Sea. Iran would covertly send in fighters and supply logistic aid. Many countries including Russia would provide diplomatic support.

India would take advantage and go for a land grab, likely be under US protection while doing so.

There are two major possibilities of Indian involvement:
1: India will be held back by a possibility of Chinese intervention. India never wants to be seen as an aggresor and will hesitate, especially in the face of friendly countries that will disapprove of any invasion; such as Russia. However, India will still keep the LOC hot. Incursions and skirmishes would also be very common.

2: India goes ahead with the invasion. Majority of Pakistani forces will still be placed defensively along the Indian border, as an enemy (USA) that is nearly 8000 miles away does not require too many personnel in the short-run. India does not have the capability to drag on a war for more than 10 days before hitting a logistic crisis, even with US logistical support; the best they would be able to do after one week is limited actions along the front line. Pakistani forces would be able to hold down this invasion force, with the loss of several thousand sm of territory. It would be similar to the Lahore Front during 1965, in which halved garrisons were able to halt entire Indian offensives through proper defensive procedures.

 

[Imad.Khan]

First of all US will never invade Pakistan directly. Pakistan is too big a country by size and population for US to capture, their losses will be too high and the invasion will quickly become unpopular for them back home. The worst they can do is either use missiles and bombers and if they really want to invade they would prefer to get India or Afghanistan to attack so as to minimize their own losses.

 

[Mrc]

ndia or Afghanistan to attack so as to minimize

Invasion of JavaBeans and bachaybaazs

 

[BHarwana]

when ever people make threads like these what is that actually want to compare Pakistan and USA military well in that case obviously USA is a superior power and in case attacking Pakistan USA would go for cutting economic aid and waiting for like 10 years or more for Pakistani economy to crumble and then take over that's how USA does business but in that case and long term attack plan USA will lose. If Pakistan and USA go to direct war it is not Pakistan that is at disadvantage it USA that is at disadvantage. USA might be a super power but it has it's fingers stuck as USA cannot fight on so many fronts and direct war USA will lose as USA has very little deployment of troops in Afghanistan and much of USA forces are spread and Pakistan has the USA forces under target. Now about hitting USA in the homeland that can be done with Nuclear and non Nuclear means Pakistan has SLCM that can do the job. USA is vulnerable in Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia even US forces can be targeted in Syria with help of turkey so USA will not go to direct war.

 

[t_for_talli]

The US simply does not have the resources to carry out a war with Pakistan, this is not Napoleonic Wars or WW2 anymore. The most they can do is covert and economic warfare. Strikes, incursions and skirmishes would also be common.

Pakistan can reply in the same matter by giving US forces in Afghanistan a very hard time. But overall, Pakistan will be taking more damage.

You are forgetting entire section of snakes like Altaf, Sharifs etc.
Who will be ready to serve their interests by creating internal troubles for $$$$$$$$$

What if US start supplying arms to MQM or PMLN depvelops and armed wing

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

You are forgetting entire section of snakes like Altaf, Sharifs etc.
Who will be ready to serve their interests by creating internal troubles for $$$$$$$$$

What if US start supplying arms to MQM or PMLN depvelops and armed wing

Very unlikely, any group would most likely be decisively stomped out. PMLN and MQM would never do anything like that.

Pakistan has always tended to unite whenever it faced a crisis or a major national threat. During the 2001-02 and 2008 Indo-Pak standoffs; many militant groups fighting the military, pulled away and declared their support for Pakistan. Civilian populace also mobilised. Just some of many examples.

 

[prashantazazel]

I have never seen any world president married with a prostitute who sells nudes , US morality has gone down to garbage. And look at that picture she stands tall with so called leaders.

The elites of every nation prefer to marry models and actresses.
The illiterate and poor masses are conservative in this regard.

 

[wiseone2]

2: India goes ahead with the invasion. Majority of Pakistani forces will still be placed defensively along the Indian border, as an enemy (USA) that is nearly 8000 miles away does not require too many personnel in the short-run. India does not have the capability to drag on a war for more than 10 days before hitting a logistic crisis, even with US logistical support; the best they would be able to do after one week is limited actions along the front line. Pakistani forces would be able to hold down this invasion force, with the loss of several thousand sm of territory. It would be similar to the Lahore Front during 1965, in which halved garrisons were able to halt entire Indian offensives through proper defensive procedures.

Without valid reasons India will not launch an attack against Pakistan in alliance with USA.
Even if there is a valid reason for an attack Pakistan will fold. If USA can destroy the Taliban with few thousand 3rd rate Northern Alliance fighters. The damage to Pakistan from limited American military forces in conjunction with Indian military will be severe. Needless to say it will turn nuclear soon.

Attack by massive concentrations of American forces alone can send Pakistan into a tailspin soon.

The real wild card is the impact of pyschological warfare.

 

[Dr Shaheryar]

Nobody is foolish enough to attack anybody. Neither USA nor India. Pakistan is not Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria or Vietnam. Even the mighty USA has little or no guts to attack North Korea or Iran which have been directly giving threat to USA. India has a problem it thinks that USA will fight its war and USA is never stupid enough. It makes Others fight its war. Even the Elite forces of USA know Pakistani SSG's capabilities. So stupid thread which has no sense.

 

[Fenasi Kerim]

Pakistan is not Somalia where you can go bombing willy nilly.

They used to say the same about the USSR.


No one will win.


It would take time for them to mobilise an aerial attack against Pakistan. By that time, you can say goodbye to most major US military assets within a 2100 mile radius that will be under the range of Pakistani bombers. Pakistan will shortly after, concentrate its Air Force in Central Pakistan and have a small chunk in the South to slow down US aerial operations.


Of Course, one of the first thing that happens to a country that is overwhelming being invaded is the collapse of their economy - but they can still carry out the fight for a long time before unconventional forces become norm.

US would definitely be stretched out by the war and could not be able to prevent other countries from giving support to Pakistan, except verbal condemnations and intimidating actions; there is little the US would be able to do. China would militarily support Pakistan covertly by sharing intelligence, supplying logistical aid, providing minor arms, deploying advisors, distracting the US through threatening maneuvers in the South China Sea. Iran would covertly send in fighters and supply logistic aid. Many countries including Russia would provide diplomatic support.


There are two major possibilities of Indian involvement:
1: India will be held back by a possibility of Chinese intervention. India never wants to be seen as an aggresor and will hesitate, especially in the face of friendly countries that will disapprove of any invasion; such as Russia. However, India will still keep the LOC hot. Incursions and skirmishes would also be very common.

2: India goes ahead with the invasion. Majority of Pakistani forces will still be placed defensively along the Indian border, as an enemy (USA) that is nearly 8000 miles away does not require too many personnel in the short-run. India does not have the capability to drag on a war for more than 10 days before hitting a logistic crisis, even with US logistical support; the best they would be able to do after one week is limited actions along the front line. Pakistani forces would be able to hold down this invasion force, with the loss of several thousand sm of territory. It would be similar to the Lahore Front during 1965, in which halved garrisons were able to halt entire Indian offensives through proper defensive procedures.

The question is IF USA was to go to war with Pakistan, is highly unlikely they agree and work together in many areas. Plus there is no stategic resources in PAK that US can not get elsewhere from weaker Arab countries. And unstable Pakistan is more dangerous then a stable Pakistan.

However the cat looks in the mirror and thinks his a lion. Similar situation. No offence we love Pakistan but to think it can fight the US is out of this world. Saying you will fight for your country and actually doing it is different, otherwise Afghans and Georgians would have defeated the Americans and Russians. The best PAK can do is organise an insurgancy campaign, which yes would work if US did decide to invade would be extremely costly. You also forget US is very good at finding political and ethnic differences in any country there are always sellouts, PAK is no different.

Covert help yes, Russia and China, would not go further then that. Iran, India and Afghanistan would welcome a weakened Pakistan. Saudi, Turkey, UAE would not be able to do much other then provide non state financial and military aid.

US assets would be secured well in advanced of the war, do you really think any PAK missiles will reach Israel, Iraq, Saudi without being knocked out. Do you think Saudi, UAE, Iran, Qatar etc would welcome PAK missiles over its airspace? Iraq had 100s of scuds they most got knocked out and were ineffective soon as the war started.

Further PAK has no air assets that can match the US, no radar tech that is immune which the US can not knock out or jam. Navy, would get destroyed pretty quickly. They would simply overwhelme PAK airforce with a couple of aircraft carriers and local bases.

Further they have proven assets against Chinese and Russian counter parts.

My point is majority of countries do not have the tech to counter the US in the air, navy or in the field of information.

I would happily support PAK against US or India, Iran and Afghanistan for the matter however it is unrealistic they would set PAK back 50 years without landing a single troop on PAK soil.

If they do the stupid thing of invading PAK then the insurgency would damage PAK people more then the US. But yes they can not successfully invade Pakistan, Iran, Turkey etc both the terrain and people would make it impossible. However they could set them back decades.

It's nice to love your country, but reality is outside a few large nations and the European tech gurus not many countries have the technology to counter the US.

As for the nuclear option, it would be a total disaster for Pakistan firstly then its neighbours. Not many countries can get away with using a nuke these days.

The problem with Pakistanis is they are too in love with China, Russia and Saudi which leads them to think they with help. This is politics, not friendship and countries do not just do each other favours especially when the big guns are involved.

 

[LeGenD]

Lets suppose USA becomes mad and ignores all relation with Pakistan and decides to attacks us from sea and from Indian and afghan border.

In all honesty, if the US comes after Pakistan in full-force, Pakistan is DOOMED. No ifs and buts.

1- Have we prepared for the worst?

We have our preparations but they are not enough for the US.

2- How hard can we hit enemy which is thousands of miles ways?

If you are assuming American mainland, then attacking it is out-of-question for us.

They will [exterminate] our navy before it comes to that.

3- Can we hit Enemy (supposedly US) in its heart i.e Washington DC , new york , instead of nuking/attacking its proxies like israel / india.

No.

3- Do we have defense pacts with Russia and china or other countries ?

Russia: No.
China: Not formal.

They won't fight a nuclear war for us in any case.

4- How our country should be reformed to face every threat even America.

1. Becoming a hub of global investment.
2. Becoming a terror-free society.
3. Minimization of intervention in the affairs of other states with the exception of Kashmir.

We cannot afford a direct arms-race with the US; economic, scientific and military disparity is too vast in this case to ignore. They now have the capability to intercept even ICBM-class targets and their capability [in this regard] will only grow in coming years. Just take a look at defense budgets of the two countries.

I understand the motivation to transform Pakistan into an impenetrable fortress of sorts to deter all kinds of existential threats but we need to achieve a combination of massive economy, Industrial base, scientific base and political stability first - an objective that we are unlikely to achieve anytime soon. Geographical constraints are also a factor. Can we build thousands of nukes? How are we going to safeguard them since our geography is short? How will Pakistan cope with the emerging threats of GLOBAL WARMING?

Just keep one thing in mind: civilizations [come and go] but a human being is answerable to ALLAH ALMIGHTY in the end. Worry about your fate during the Day of Judgement because the fate of this world is beyond our control, let alone Pakistan. Fear ALLAH ALMIGHTY and strive for the best.

5- What would be British and EU strategy if racist or mad white man of US starts war.

Depends upon the 'causes' of this hypothetical war.

If US has a convincing narrative to strike at Pakistan, they are expected to support US in this endeavor.

If not, then they are expected to condemn American hegemony but are unlikely to intervene.

 

[EpiiC]

Simple....

If US attacks and sends an occupying force, and the Armed Forces of Pakistan don't do anything really really crazy.... there will be no country named Pakistan in days - not months as it has ethnic fault-lines that will be capitalized upon by our own leaders to the highest bidder......

Therefore just one option left to the policy makers...... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

Target all your neighbors and make every inch of your borders nuclear fallout zones...

1. Go for India.
2. Go for Iran.
3. Go for Israel.
4. Go for Saudia.
5. Go for all of UAE.
6. As a bonus target London / Paris as a hail marry.
7. Push anyone who is alive from the Armed Forces into Afghanistan as insurgents.

Basically don't let it become a zero sum game for the great US of A. That's it. Lay down the strategy and make sure that these actions are taken no matter what at exactly the first moment US fires the first bullet. DON'T THINK.

No problem, we will all be dead, however, there will be no peace on the planet for the next 300 years.

There is no point targeting Iran, Saudi, UAE..... They aren't the invading force or they enemy... Pakistan doesn't have Shaheen III operationally deployed yet so we can't reach Israel, plus Israel has multi layered BMD..... Its really densely bmd protected and we can barely reach them.... Pakistan can't afford to waste its low yield nukes....Such a shame that we don't have global strike capability the way US does with SLBM we could target any country on the planet if it came to them invading us but we can't. Lack of strategic thinkers have brought us to a very weak position in this scenario.

u.s can easily destroy some of our nuclear sites any time by bombing them with tomohawk cruise missiles or by using stealth bomber planes.only way to prevent this is to test icbm so u.s will think many times before attack otherwise it is easy for them to boomb our nuclear weapons or airbases without using any ground troops

True submarine launched ICBM is the best deterrent, this can reach any country from miles away.... For countries like USA we need a lot of fire power i.e So many missiles and hydrogen warheads not tiny atomic bombs.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

it will be the biggest jihad of the century. millions of Pakistanis will take up arms to fight enemies.

Thank you Zia. you gave us one gift and it had made us hell for any invading force.

 

[StandForInsaf]

it will be the biggest jihad of the century. millions of Pakistanis will take up arms to fight enemies.

Thank you Zia. you gave us one gift and it had made us hell for any invading force.

well on zia part we disagree.