USA vs Pakistan scenario.

[fitpOsitive]

First of all, comments like the ones from Trump are just a failed attempt to distract our attention from growth of Pakistani economy.
Secondly, whosoever written Trumps script, surely don't want to see trump in white house in coming few days.

 

[EpiiC]

it will be the biggest jihad of the century. millions of Pakistanis will take up arms to fight enemies.

Thank you Zia. you gave us one gift and it had made us hell for any invading force.

Ever heard of death from above? B-1B and B-2 stealth bombers along with F-22 and F-15 would bomb the living crap out of us..... Pakistan population on a majority level lacks good secular education, America knows about the primitive nature of Pakistan and how weak it would be to defend its strategic assets like reactors, and nuclear weapons, they found OBL under our very noses and operations like that will increase more than x10 fold.... They would first weaken our fragile navy and air force and then bomb the living hell out of us..... Really Pakistan should clear all terrorists from its soil, no terrorists or terrorist safe havens, all designated terror groups out or eliminated in quick time..... we can't deny the terrorist problem.

First of all, comments like the ones from Trump are just a failed attempt to distract our attention from growth of Pakistani economy.
Secondly, whosoever written Trumps script, surely don't want to see trump in white house in coming few days.

It was a good speech from Trump as Pakistan really does have Terrorist problems.... I was in Lahore a few months back and few terror bombings took place near my hotel.... theirs so many extremists in our country.... truly a dark period of 70 years+ is likely to continue.

 

[neem456]

If that happens rest assured, Indian Kashmir will get complete this time

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

If USA can destroy the Taliban with few thousand 3rd rate Northern Alliance fighters.

when did America destroyed Taliban? as long as I remember Taliban control 60% of Afghanistan, right under America's nose. so this makes your entire argument irrelevant.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Ever heard of death from above? B-1B and B-2 stealth bombers along with F-22 and F-15 would bomb the living crap out of us..... Pakistan population on a majority level lacks good secular education, America knows about the primitive nature of Pakistan and how weak it would be to defend its strategic assets like reactors, and nuclear weapons, they found OBL under our very noses and operations like that will increase more than x10 fold.... They would first weaken our fragile navy and air force and then bomb the living hell out of us..... Really Pakistan should clear all terrorists from its soil, no terrorists or terrorist safe havens, all designated terror groups out or eliminated in quick time..... we can't deny the terrorist problem.


It was a good speech from Trump as Pakistan really does have Terrorist problems.... I was in Lahore a few months back and few terror bombings took place near my hotel.... theirs so many extremists in our country.... truly a dark period of 70 years+ is likely to continue.

they ant defeat Taliban and they will defeat us.
in Vietnam their military was even more superior at that time but they lost.
its not easy to invade a country of more than 200 million people with big professional army and a nuclear bomb.
they can't attack any enemy which is united against them. examples are north Korea and Iran. they attacked Afghanistan with support of northern alliance. they attacked Iraq with support of anti saddam forces.
they attacked Libya with support of opposition.

but they know that if they fight a big country like Pakistan, their country will become a soviet union.

 

[EpiiC]

they ant defeat Taliban and they will defeat us.
in Vietnam their military was even more superior at that time but they lost.
its not easy to invade a country of more than 200 million people with big professional army and a nuclear bomb.
they can't attack any enemy which is united against them. examples are north Korea and Iran. they attacked Afghanistan with support of northern alliance. they attacked Iraq with support of anti saddam forces.
they attacked Libya with support of opposition.

but they know that if they fight a big country like Pakistan, their country will become a soviet union.

With Pakistan they many send way more firepower, am talking 5 carrier battle groups...

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

No offence we love Pakistan but to think it can fight the US is out of this world

brother we're not saying that we can defeat US, no one can, what we are saying is that America cannot win a war in our house. we can defend ourselves much better than Vietnam they will eventually have to leave after getting a bloody nose (if this war ever happens).

 

[wiseone2]

when did America destroyed Taliban? as long as I remember Taliban control 60% of Afghanistan, right under America's nose. so this makes your entire argument irrelevant.

in 2002 where was the Taliban ?

 

[Mr.Cringeworth]

in 2002 where was the Taliban ?

first you tell me where was Taliban in 2008-2009 and look where it is now, btw the way the things are going we'll be way past 2002 Taliban, they are getting very strong in Afghanistan.

 

[wiseone2]

There is no point targeting Iran, Saudi, UAE..... They aren't the invading force or they enemy... Pakistan doesn't have Shaheen III operationally deployed yet so we can't reach Israel, plus Israel has multi layered BMD..... Its really densely bmd protected and we can barely reach them.... Pakistan can't afford to waste its low yield nukes....Such a shame that we don't have global strike capability the way US does with SLBM we could target any country on the planet if it came to them invading us but we can't. Lack of strategic thinkers have brought us to a very weak position in this scenario.

I am glad you see no point in hitting saudi, uae, iran. that would be the easiest way of becoming a nutcase in the eyes of the world

pakistan nukes were aimed at India. that was the message and intent of pakistani army. it was never meant to challenge America. your involvement in afghanistan is your vietnam.

first you tell me where was Taliban in 2008-2009 and look where it is now, btw the way the things are going we'll be way past 2002 Taliban, they are getting very strong in Afghanistan.

in 2002 the taliban was wiped out. i do not know the status in 2008. i assume they regrouped in pakistan for a fight and were stronger

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

With Pakistan they many send way more firepower, am talking 5 carrier battle groups...

and this will result in huge cost and huge strategic set backs in other parts of the world.

they know they can't leave south China sea.
they can't leave north Korea.
they won't allow
anyone to threaten their trade routes.

And not to forget that defence is easy than attacking.

important part of the whole scenario is Russia will not miss the chance to revenge collapse of soviet union.
Iran will not hesitate to help us for the fear of being the next victim.
China won't allow it like it is not leaving north Korea alone and the reason is that china won't allow itself to be encircled by US. a small war in south china sea or any hostility and US on Pakistan soil will ruin china dream of becoming the super power.

 

[TacOps]

Lets suppose USA becomes mad and ignores all relation with Pakistan and decides to attacks us from sea and from Indian and afghan border.
(just ignore political solutions)
My question is that.

1- Have we prepared for the worst?
2- How hard can we hit enemy which is thousands of miles ways?
3- Can we hit Enemy (supposedly US) in its heart i.e Washington DC , new york , instead of nuking/attacking its proxies like israel / india.
3- Do we have defense pacts with Russia and china or other countries ?
4- How our country should be reformed to face every threat even America.
5- What would be British and EU strategy if racist or mad white man of US starts war.

Defense experts/analysts shed some light.

The only realistic US vs PK scenario is economic sanctions. Similar to what they did to Iran. Iran scraped through because of oil. For Pakistan the pain will be immense in the short term.

 

[danger007]

The basic assumptions were that we will not be attacking proxies.
US is certainly tilting towards India , and we can easily nuke India/Israel (us proxies). Yes this is also possible but the original idea in thread was not about it.
India might be able to take few nukes but israel is not.

Lol you guys out of mind? Proxies to US because of Pak? Are you out of mind. Prob between you and US. Deal with it.. we can nuke too... So is Israel ..

 

[YeBeWarned]

its not fair to compare Pakistan with USA, and USA will not directly go to war with Pakistan, as we seen in Syria , America is still hesitant to attack SAA or put any troops on ground, Attack on Pakistan but wait, based on What? helping Haqqani , so if it comes to that Pakistan can drag US in UN saying how ISIS manage to hold tora bora under the US nose ? why TTP leaders are still alive and breathing in Afghanistan ? how on earth TTP leaders were spotted meeting Indians and also escorting by NDS ?
US will and can surely defeat Pakistan but that will put this planet earth into a never ending war, and US will be so weaken that China and Russia will soon grab the lands they want and world become a bi-polar world.. no one will be dominant power to rule and bully others , on the other hand, US invasion forces will be massacred in the streets of Pakistan not just by the 2 Million Armed Tribals but Punjabi, Hurs ( Sindh ) , Baluch and Pashtoons .. all of them are sophisticated armed to the teeth. . In short US will achieve nothing but create 100X more chaos in the this already chaotic world .

 

[danger007]

Without valid reasons India will not launch an attack against Pakistan in alliance with USA.
Even if there is a valid reason for an attack Pakistan will fold. If USA can destroy the Taliban with few thousand 3rd rate Northern Alliance fighters. The damage to Pakistan from limited American military forces in conjunction with Indian military will be severe. Needless to say it will turn nuclear soon.

Attack by massive concentrations of American forces alone can send Pakistan into a tailspin soon.

The real wild card is the impact of pyschological warfare.

Some of these guys assuming like that.. If US wants to attack Pak, they will target your strategic assets primarily nukes.. US equipment will be did, such as F-16... India and rest of the world stay alert and while India mobilize it's troops into border along with SAM network etc.. we just watch, won't get involved.. initially we might not agree with US, collapsed Pak will be next to us not USA.. some guys advocating nuking India and Israel... Why the hell you guys bringing Israel?? Lol.. If Indian logistics ended up in 10 days, can you guys hold for such long period.. If the USA is the invader ??