USA---India---Israel---Iran---Kashmir---:---

[Battle of Waterloo]

You do realize that China is the largest buyer of Iranian oil? Why would they f their own ally.

And what is this Iran-Israel mashup? Every other nation surrounding Israel has good relation with Israel except Iran. They are the ones who flame Israel harder than us, 'zionists this, zionists that'.

Imagine if tomorrow Iranians started making shit up that Indians and Pakistanis are collaborating to destroy Iran, how comical would it sound?

Thanks for bringing some logic and facts into this strange thread...

 

[KeyBORED Warrior]

You know Sir, when i first starting reading your post i thought you were outrageous and a bit of a lunatic. I still think you're and thats what makes you so fucking special. They say hindsight is a wonderful thing and when i look back and connect the dots it all starts to make sense. They plan 20y ahead and we seem to be caught between two minds all the time. The hong kong uprising, 370, IK visit, Afg peace process, Iranian standoff, 27feb(now it seems like they wanted to gauge our abilities and yeah we should have blown that clown coaf of india's head off into a million splinters) ALL were just part of a bigger plan to out smart us and China alike and so far it seems they have been brilliant with their execution. The indians have not irked the Chinese in naivety, they surely seem to have a plan but im not sure at this point. As for us, well, they have caught us by the ballsack. We cant go all out and we cant hold back either, damned if you do, damned if we dont. I dont envy being the PM or COAF of Pak at this stage, at all.
I would like to know, what do you think the future holds? Both the immediate and the later.

 

[Dual Wielder]

I dont envy being the PM or COAF of Pak at this stage

Definitely, this is the defining moment of our Nation.

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

Iran and Israel (and US) have nothing to do with the Kashmir situation.

Your deranged conspiracy theories have no grounding in reality.

The major powers don't care about Kashmir so this will be up to Pakistan to try to help Kashmiris from Indian aggression.

 

[MastanKhan]

This is your assumption, how well did we get paid for american war in Afghanistan?

And then you want to create another havoc on our south western border vs Iran? Why?



You do realize that China is the largest buyer of Iranian oil? Why would they f their own ally.

And what is this Iran-Israel mashup? Every other nation surrounding Israel has good relation with Israel except Iran. They are the ones who flame Israel harder than us, 'zionists this, zionists that'.

Imagine if tomorrow Iranians started making shit up that Indians and Pakistanis are collaborating to destroy Iran, how comical would it sound?

Hi,

Regarding payment about afg war---it shows you how stupid you people are in making a deal with america---.

Why would you let america pay you on credit---. Why did you not get paid up front---.

Why did you not make a better deal---. Why did you let america claim it as an aid---which it was not---.

It was usage of our resources fee that the americans owed us---. But still you claimed it as an aid---.

Don't blame america for your own stupid decisions---.

And when yemen war comes and you are using the saem excuse---so my question is---are you kids that stupid that you could not learn from the mistake and repeat it again---rather than asking the GCC for funds upfront---???

 

[Indus Pakistan]

And then you want to create another havoc on our south western border vs Iran? Why?

If the situation went hostile like some armchair generals want on the Iran/Pak border it would easily consume over 10 divisions oe 200,000 men minimum. This would either require entire forces on the Afghan border and then some being sent to Iran/Pak border leaving Af/Pak border empty. Or drain the forces along Indian border leaving that front open to Indian attack. These clowns want a three front war for Pakistan.

We can only puja on the Ganga that we don't have such geniuses at GHQ, Pindi.

 

[YeBeWarned]

lol @MastanKhan has so much marketed his words i do actually believe we should have stronger response not calculated but all out response... we thought india would attack after downed jets it did not.... but after this ugly move by terrorist india i think we should have killed some extremist Hindus in process... abhinonedone should have been left for kashmiri local to decide his fate for a while

Mastan lives in US, he is not coming back to Pakistan to protect it or fight , neither he is sending his son or grandson to fight , so his opinion on Pakistani issues is as much relevant as Tarek Fateh on Pakistan . His kind will never be satisfied because he is crazy, if PAF downed 3 jets and will still be criticizing them for not downing 6 jets, if they shot down 6 jets he would say the missile they used to shoot enemy was wrong, he will always find a way to create something out of his *** to criticize PAF , He becomes a Joke on PDF and most of the Senior members ridiculed him on this very forum over things he thought were negligence or incompetence of PAF but they were not. Wait until he bring something crazy to blame it on PAF .

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Right, everything in Kashmir is somehow connected to Pakistan.

Its funny how you are able to dump all those countries and Kashmir together, we sure rank high on everybodys radar these days.

My personal opinion is Pakistan and India are working together and Kashmir is a false flag operation to defeat USA/China so both can rule the world.

My personal opinion is Pakistan and India are working together and Kashmir is a false flag operation to defeat USA/China so both can rule the world.

This is from high up contacts. But those who know will know and those who don't won't know. All will become apparent in the next few weeks. Patience is a virtue.

 

[skyshadow]

Where is your evidence for this? Sounds like quite a strange claim...

Perhaps some Iranians can vouch for whether this is true or not: @skyshadow @mohsen @raptor22 etc

Well we do consider PK ppl muslim if that is what you are asking

 

[omegalamba7XL9]

Hi,

It is more like india and iran are together on this on one side---and india/usa/uk/israel on the other side but for the same team---.

And one major power and and its major supporter china / pak in the squeeze hold---.

Then it was better decision to not send troops to GCC. Here are my reasons
1. No peace deal was in sight at the time in Afghanistan so I personally feel like it was a trap.
2. Not sending forces there kept Pakistan focused on main objective Afghanistan.
3. As we saw Arabs only care about intrested over ummah. Slowly Israel will take over as a secondry security state after USA in middle east. Primary objective Iran
What's different now and why Pakistan
Things changed when Pakistan showed some guts on Feb 27 it certainly busted the bubble of Indian army might when Pakistan jabbed em. I agree with you that our response should've been knockout punch and total demorialization of India.
India played too many hands Russia, China, France and USA and now everyone knows that India is like a little slut that want to keep itself happy.
Modi found himself cornered and over played his hand. The whole world media is saying one thing India and Kashmir. There is a article every hour on Kashmir. Now Pakistan needs to maximize the advantage and need to do something militarily.
Many are asking kashmiris to fight but with what weapons and what guarantee that while they are fighting with rocks Pakistan army watches from other side. And incompetent Sob like Shah mehmood qureshi with his fake style is going around saying no military option.

Hi,

It is more like india and iran are together on this on one side---and india/usa/uk/israel on the other side but for the same team---.

And one major power and and its major supporter china / pak in the squeeze hold---.

Pakistan should play the game back
Must is change foreign minister even though Sushma Siraj was adversary but she had more guts and stern voice then of current Pakistan foreign minister.
1. Have US stay focused on peace in Afganistan and help US maximize the pressure in whatever they want from India financially.
2. Get Chinese on board and ask them to back up if any extreme situation occurs .
3. Russians will see more $$ coming from India.
4. Iran to force India to abide by mutual agreements.

The problem is we have Shah mehmood qureshi types in our foreign office. Topi drama is only thing on their mind

 

[Battle of Waterloo]

Well we do consider PK ppl muslim if that is what you are asking

@doorstar seems to incorrectly think otherwise.

 

[Maxpane]

i agree sir. there are people who says that we do not want to see that our soldiers lost their lives for others wars but in biggest picture every one has to sacrifice to get big just like USA . May be we dnt lost many soldiers as compared to war between India and Pakistan

 

[MT Ali]

A point to consider: Maybe usa wants its “presence“ in some way, shape or form, in Kashmir, to monitor and somewhat control chinese economic/military growth as well as keep Pakistan in check.

 

[MastanKhan]

If the situation went hostile like some armchair generals want on the Iran/Pak border it would easily consume over 10 divisions oe 200,000 men minimum. This would either require entire forces on the Afghan border and then some being sent to Iran/Pak border leaving Af/Pak border empty. Or drain the forces along Indian border leaving that front open to Indian attack. These clowns want a three front war for Pakistan.

We can only puja on the Ganga that we don't have such geniuses at GHQ, Pindi.

Hi,

If the situation went hostile on iran pak border and it came down 200 k troops---Then it won't come down to it---.

There will be no three front war---only one front with india---. Iran would face the ' final solution ' before it came down to that---.

There would be no one shedding tears for iran---.

 

[Novice09]

Hi,

Did Obama know what was coming to the region a few years ago---. Possibly yes---.

That was the very reason Pak military was asked to put is feet down in GCC to settle resolve counter yemen crisis.

Kashmir 370 was not obvious at all at that time---. But what was obvious was that if pak military had around 150 K troops just stationed in the region along with a separate air force and naval group that it was in charge of---the power positioning of the region would be totally different---.

Indian aggression would be contained on one side---iranian proxies contained on the other side---. Pakistan will have all its military force intact in pakistan---plus a special quick deployment fully equipped strike force in GCC---.

Technically pakistan had no problem fulfilling this need---. But tactically countries like india and iran were have serious moments of concern---because that would be a life changing foreign policy changing military policy changing even for those two countries---.

Form a nobody---pakistan would be becoming an economic power house and a military power of the region---the effects of that could be far reaching in the middle east power brokers---.

So---both these countries moved into sabotaging this event---the iranians turned to shia population in pakistan and the indians turned to their indian turn coats in pakistan---and Gen Raheel Shareef chose to stay the fool that he was---.

Why would a general say no to such an offer for him to build up a military ( army navy air forc ) of 150 + K troops with all equipment paid for by the GCC---.

Ask yourself---if iran had no intention of attacking the GCC---why would it be bothered by pakistan having a military force in the GCC---and there was never an intent by pakistan to ever attack india---.

So the drama that started with the yemen crisis and saw pak military faltering in between---the powers to be in india and iran saw a coming problem to be resolved by shoving a wedge in Pak GCC relations---.

When the 27th feb strike happened a strange incidence took place---america rushed in to install Thaad anti missile system in israel---. I was not upto date on the what was india doing about kashmir and what statements it was making---but I realized that something was up in the making---.

Then for no reason---hostilities increased between iran and america---UK captures an iranian oil ship close to spain---the US carrier group had already moved into the region---and then iran takes UK ships as hostage in the gulf---.

The american tour of IK to US received a very strange and welcome reception in the white house and parliament---and I could not fathom that either---but I realized that I was missing something somewhere---.

So---what was hazy and foggy---suddenly became clear once the india govt cancelled 370 and I realized---this deceit had much deeper roots than was obvious---.

This was a ploy and the game was played by india---USA---UK---Iran---israel---two birds pakistan and china were being dropped in one stone---.

@Irfan Baloch @Khafee @Dubious @war&peace @Mangus Ortus Novem et all

How can you forget --- HONGKONG ---

My thinking process is different...

India and Israel were working hard to DEMOLISH the PAKISTANI ECONOMY... Things were going on AS PER PLAN... SUDDENLY, IK visits US... and things changed... Time was running out...

USA busy with IRAN...
CHINA busy with HONGKONG...

INDIA scraps 370... Pakistan... Surprised...

As you taught --- Price of success is always high... but price of cowardice is higher...---