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sigatoka said:
Powell was humiliated and had no choice but to resign. He was ignored and had become irrelavant.

Again, Gen Powell did not resign. He finished his term as SECSTATE.

sigatoka said:
Saying that something is task oriented doesnt make it so.

Do you even understand the term?

Orders orientation means that you're giving a set of instructions on how to do your job and no deviation allowed, ie you will lead your company to take this position at this time via this road with the following support that preceed you for so many hours.

Task orientation means that you're giving a job. How you do it is up to you, ie you must take this hill by this time. What do you need?

The orientation of an army has nothing to do with its challenges.

Also, get off the schtick about an insurgency. The shortest insurgency in history lasted 10 years and it did not end with a bang. It ended with a whimper as the opposition gradually died down and the insurgents found jobs instead of targets.
 
Officer of Engineers said:
Also, get off the schtick about an insurgency. The shortest insurgency in history lasted 10 years and it did not end with a bang. It ended with a whimper as the opposition gradually died down and the insurgents found jobs instead of targets.

Insurgency is the name given by strong powers to wars they can not win. Insurgies are fought with the same weapons of war. In some areas it is not even an "insurgency" but medium intensity combat fought with the full spectrum of weaponry in the Anbar province.

I brought up this conflict because it refuses to get the shtick off the tv. Every day it is about some task oriented troop who gets blown apart or several dozen order orienteds get hit with smart bombs which also happen to blow apart few dozen more civilians.
 
sigatoka said:
Insurgency is the name given by strong powers to wars they can not win. Insurgies are fought with the same weapons of war. In some areas it is not even an "insurgency" but medium intensity combat fought with the full spectrum of weaponry in the Anbar province.

Of course insurgencies ain't the same as war. It has gone back to way even before Alexander the Great came into India. Look back through history and look for the term "bandit."

Don't confuse wars with combat. They're too different things. Combat is the tactical application, Wars are fought with strategic intents. Insurgencies by their very nature lacked any strategic intent other than a very generic and really unachievable objective by direct means and only by indirect means. The Iraqi insurgency got a very general objective of ejecting the Americans from Iraq. They're not going to do so by a force of arms; only by outbleeding the Americans and hope the Americans get tired of bleeding.

sigatoka said:
I brought up this conflict because it refuses to get the shtick off the tv. Every day it is about some task oriented troop who gets blown apart or several dozen order orienteds get hit with smart bombs which also happen to blow apart few dozen more civilians.

Has it occurred to you that maybe because TV has only been around for less than 60 years?
 
sigatoka said:
Insurgency is the name given by strong powers to wars they can not win. Insurgies are fought with the same weapons of war. In some areas it is not even an "insurgency" but medium intensity combat fought with the full spectrum of weaponry in the Anbar province.

I brought up this conflict because it refuses to get the shtick off the tv. Every day it is about some task oriented troop who gets blown apart or several dozen order orienteds get hit with smart bombs which also happen to blow apart few dozen more civilians.

was the war between Iran and iraq an insurgency?
Is th LTTE led war an insurgency?
 
Bull, I would call that a proxy war! which started by Saudi Arabia! and for the record Neo Iran isnt weak, after 8 years fighting with "Armed to the teeth" army of the Iraq and full support of East, West and Arabs, it should be completely obvious?!

We're also having advanced arsenal, Ready to react against any hostile actions by foreign invadors.

Please read the below article.

Typically at least one of the parties involved may be referred to as partisans. One theory says "partisan" comes from the Tuscan word "partigiano", meaning a member of a party of light or irregular troops engaged in harassing an enemy, especially a member of a guerrilla band engaged in fighting or sabotage against an occupying army. The other theory says the word comes from the Persian word Parti-san; in Persian, san means similar and Part is a name of an Aryan tribe living in the northeast of Iran who are said to have invented and developed the first partisan war tactics.

The first known wide usage of asymmetric war was by Parthians, who freed Persia from Seleucid rule (remaining from Alexander's invasion) and continued the same techniques against Romans and other invaders from the north of the empire.

Bockstette defines "Asymetric conflicts as conflicts between parties that show essential quantitative and/or qualitative dissimilarities in the battle space dimensions: an imbalance in forces, a different determination/ motivation, a different legitimization, a different application of methods and a difference in the quality or character of methods themselves. Asymmetrical conflicts are usually waged in a changing, asynchronous and unpredictable manner. The purpose is to hit the opponent at his center of gravity or several conflict-determining centers and decide the conflict in one’s own favor or to reach one’s own purposes. A new dimension of asymmetrical conflicts stems from the use of the mass media, especially the Word Wide Web, to spread information, the worldwide consequences of such conflicts and the increased threat of the use of weapons of mass destruction by terrorists."

Despite our modern aresenal, I dont think if U.S can compare with the father of unconventional warfare.

Regards
 
Bull, I would call that a proxy war! which started by Saudi Arabia! and for the record Neo Iran isnt weak, after 8 years fighting with "Armed to the teeth" army of the Iraq and full support of East, West and Arabs, it should be completely obvious?!

We're also having advanced arsenal, Ready to react against any hostile actions by foreign invadors.

Please read the below article.

Typically at least one of the parties involved may be referred to as partisans. One theory says "partisan" comes from the Tuscan word "partigiano", meaning a member of a party of light or irregular troops engaged in harassing an enemy, especially a member of a guerrilla band engaged in fighting or sabotage against an occupying army. The other theory says the word comes from the Persian word Parti-san; in Persian, san means similar and Part is a name of an Aryan tribe living in the northeast of Iran who are said to have invented and developed the first partisan war tactics.

The first known wide usage of asymmetric war was by Parthians, who freed Persia from Seleucid rule (remaining from Alexander's invasion) and continued the same techniques against Romans and other invaders from the north of the empire.

Bockstette defines "Asymetric conflicts as conflicts between parties that show essential quantitative and/or qualitative dissimilarities in the battle space dimensions: an imbalance in forces, a different determination/ motivation, a different legitimization, a different application of methods and a difference in the quality or character of methods themselves. Asymmetrical conflicts are usually waged in a changing, asynchronous and unpredictable manner. The purpose is to hit the opponent at his center of gravity or several conflict-determining centers and decide the conflict in one’s own favor or to reach one’s own purposes. A new dimension of asymmetrical conflicts stems from the use of the mass media, especially the Word Wide Web, to spread information, the worldwide consequences of such conflicts and the increased threat of the use of weapons of mass destruction by terrorists."

Despite our modern arsenal, I dont think if U.S does stand a chance against father of unconventional warfare.

Regards
 

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