US vows to defend Japan against China

[Wholegrain]

China is colonized by Mongolian and Manchurian, don't forget it.

Vietnam was colonized by Chinese Tran and Ho dynasty, don't forget it.

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

Secondary Cities and Urban Networking in the Indian Ocean Realm, C. 1400-1800 - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

Secondary Cities and Urban Networking in the Indian Ocean Realm, C. 1400-1800 - Google Books

 

[Rechoice]

And we got bigger territories (inner mongolia + manchuria +Xinjiang) thanks to them, how about your turn to colonize China

But you can not deny that you are ruled by Mongol and Man chus.

We lost Guangxi and Guangdong to China, very sad. when china is going to split we will take back.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

But you can not deny that you are ruled by Mongol and Man chus.

We lost Guangxi and Guangdong to China, very sad. when china is going to split we will take back.

Our Annamese friends here have too much dream.

 

[Rechoice]

Vietnam was colonized by Chinese Tran and Ho dynasty, don't forget it.

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

Secondary Cities and Urban Networking in the Indian Ocean Realm, C. 1400-1800 - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

Secondary Cities and Urban Networking in the Indian Ocean Realm, C. 1400-1800 - Google Books

after too many generation, Tran ; Ho were Yue and assimiled and became Vietnamese, both of them have been fought against Chinese invaders

Who defend Independence of Vietnam from China, he is Vietnamese.

 

[Wholegrain]

But you can not deny that you are ruled by Mongol and Man chus.

We lost Guangxi and Guangdong to China, very sad. when china is going to split we will take back.

You didn't lose crap, since you never had them in the first place.

Guangxi and Guangdong were the native lands of the Tai peoples like the Zhuang, not Kinh Vietnamese.

Even today, Guangxi and Northern Vietnamese provinces are inhabited by Tai speaking Zhuang people (Nung people and Tay people in Vietnam)

Nanyue was a Chinese King ruling over a majority Tai population. Vietnamese in the Red River Delta didn't play any role other than being conquered by Chinese/Tai Nanyue.

The Red River delta is the true homeland of Kinh people, northern Vietnamese provinces belong to Tai peoples.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

You didn't lose crap, since you never had them in the first place.

Guangxi and Guangdong were the native lands of the Tai peoples like the Zhuang, not Kinh Vietnamese.

Even today, Guangxi and Northern Vietnamese provinces are inhabited by Tai speaking Zhuang people (Nung people and Tay people in Vietnam)

Nanyue was a Chinese King ruling over a majority Tai population. Vietnamese in the Red River Delta didn't play any role other than being conquered by Chinese/Tai Nanyue.

The Red River delta is the true homeland of Kinh people, northern Vietnamese provinces belong to Tai peoples.

They always dream this future version of Vietnam.

But i think too much unrealistic ambition will simply crush themselves.

 

[Rechoice]

You didn't lose crap, since you never had them in the first place.

Guangxi and Guangdong were the native lands of the Tai peoples like the Zhuang, not Kinh Vietnamese.

Even today, Guangxi and Northern Vietnamese provinces are inhabited by Tai speaking Zhuang people (Nung people and Tay people in Vietnam)

Nanyue was a Chinese King ruling over a majority Tai population. Vietnamese in the Red River Delta didn't play any role other than being conquered by Chinese/Tai Nanyue.

The Red River delta is the true homeland of Kinh people, northern Vietnamese provinces belong to Tai peoples.

Ancestors of Kinh People were Luo Yue and Ou Yue, they were Austria - Asiatic and Tai/Katay. Our native land is in Soth China. We should claim back our ancient land was robbed by Chinese.

 

[Wholegrain]

after too many generation, Tran ; Ho were Yue and assimiled and became Vietnamese, both of them have been fought against Chinese invaders

Who defend Independence of Vietnam from China, he is Vietnamese.

Tran dynasty fought against Mongols. When the Ming came to power, the Tran dynasty sent Vietnamese slaves as tribute to the Ming. The Ho then brutally murdered and overthrew the Tran and the Ming decided to punish the Ho.

Most of the Vietnamese Kinh ancestors in the Red River Delta and Hanoi supported the Ming rule. The Kinh were "people of the capital".

It was Le Loi, who lived in the Vietnamese borderlands in Thanh Hoa where the "barbarian" Trai people (people of the camps) lived, where he started his rebellion. Le Loi himself was NOT a Kinh, but a Trai, and his army was made out of Trai people. The Kinh viewed Trai as barbarians.

Many of the Kinh Vietnamese in the Red River plain supported the Ming. Le Loi's anti Ming rebellion, was actually a Trai vs Kinh war, with the Kinh fighting for Ming against the Le dynasty Trai.

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

Strange Parallels: Southeast Asia in Global Context, C. 800 - 1830 - Victor B. Lieberman - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

The Trai people are ancestors of the Muong people. The Trai/Muong and Kinh were both of the same origin originally, speaking the same language. The difference between the Trai/Muong and Kinh, is that Kinh Vietnamese were influenced by Chinese culture, religion, and language, with Kinh adopting thousands of Chinese loanwords in their language, using Chu Nom characters, adopting Chinese Daoism, Confucianism, government, and alot of Chinese culture. The Trai/Muong refused to adopt it and maintained the original "barbarian" culture from before Chinese influenced Vietnam.

Muong people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Le Loi was a Trai/Muong, with a Trai/Muong army fighting against the Ming-Kinh Vietnamese forces. After Le Loi overthrew Ming rule, he and Le dynasty historians like Ngo Si Lien engaged in rewriting Vietnamese history to justify their own rule over Vietnam.

The Le dynasty then created the Kinh as a new ethnicity to seperate Vietnamese from minorities and other peoples. Before that, there was no seperate Kinh ethnic group, thats why the "Kinh" of the Red River region supported the Ming.

Goddess on the Rise: Pilgrimage and Popular Religion in Vietnam - Philip Taylor - Google Books

Human Rights in Asia: A Comparative Legal Study of Twelve Asian ... - Google Books

Historical Dictionary of the Peoples of the Southeast Asian Massif - Jean Michaud - Google Books

Postwar Vietnam: Dynamics of a Transforming Society - Google Books

The Art of Not Being Governed: An Anarchist History of Upland Southeast Asia - James C. Scott - Google Books

Culture and Customs of Vietnam - Mark W. McLeod, Thi Dieu Nguyen - Google Books

Le dynasty historian Ngo Si Lien started inventing tales about Vietnamese being descended from Shennong and making stories up about the Hung Kings, to extend the Kinh's ethnic history back to antiquity. Before that, the Kinh didn't have a seperate distinct history.

A History of the Vietnamese - K. W. Taylor - Google Books

Blood and Soil: A World History of Genocide and Extermination from Sparta to ... - Ben Kiernan - Google Books

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Ancestors of Kinh People were Luo Yue and Ou Yue, they were Austria - Asiatic and Tai/Katay. Our native land is in Soth China. We should claim back our ancient land was robbed by Chinese.

You should love your current/own homeland, while South China is not your homeland, it is ridiculous to show so much obsession over there.

 

[Wholegrain]

Ancestors of Kinh People were Luo Yue and Ou Yue, they were Austria - Asiatic and Tai/Katay. Our native land is in Soth China. We should claim back our ancient land was robbed by Chinese.

Kinh people are Austro Asiatic Mon-Khmers, as you and your troll EastSea have repeatedly said, LOL. Vietnamese are not Tai-Kadai and have nothing to do with them, except being ruled by them during in the Luo-yue and Ou-yue states. Vietnam robbed its northern provinces from Tai peoples, and its southern provinces from Chams, Montagnards, and Khmer.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Kinh people are Austro Asiatic Mon-Khmers, as you and your troll EastSea have repeatedly said, LOL. Vietnamese are not Tai-Kadai and have nothing to do with them, except being ruled by them during in the Luo-yue and Ou-yue states. Vietnam robbed its northern provinces from Tai peoples, and its southern provinces from Chams, Montagnards, and Khmer.

It is useless to convince these brainwashed Vietcongs, because in their mind they will keep repeating that South China was their ancestral territory.

 

[Nike]

Why in almost all of thread in China and Far East section must be filled with feuds between Vietnamese and Chinese members regardless the contain of the thread? You must be loving each other so much

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Why in almost all of thread in China and Far East section must be filled with feuds between Vietnamese and Chinese members regardless the contain of the thread? You must be loving each other so much

Those poor Vietcongs are jealous of China's success, so insulting China in cyberspace will make them feel a bit better.

 

[faithfulguy]

Kinh people are Austro Asiatic Mon-Khmers, as you and your troll EastSea have repeatedly said, LOL. Vietnamese are not Tai-Kadai and have nothing to do with them, except being ruled by them during in the Luo-yue and Ou-yue states. Vietnam robbed its northern provinces from Tai peoples, and its southern provinces from Chams, Montagnards, and Khmer.

EastSea like to post pictures of Vietnamese mail order brides on here. I think he is an agent.

It is useless to convince these brainwashed Vietcongs, because in their mind they will keep repeating that South China was their ancestral territory.

I think Vietnamese want to join China. They are giving hints.

Those poor Vietcongs are jealous of China's success, so insulting China in cyberspace will make them feel a bit better.

Some of them are mad because their girlfriend is about to marrying a poor Chinese farmer. Who make multiple times more than a wealthy Vietcong.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

EastSea like to post pictures of Vietnamese mail order brides on here. I think he is an agent.



I think Vietnamese want to join China. They are giving hints.

They will live better as Chinese.