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This announcement was recently posted on the website of the graduate school of the University of Massachusetts at Amherst:

The University has determined that recent governmental sanctions pose a significant challenge to its ability to provide a full program of education and research for Iranian students in certain disciplines and programs. Because we must ensure compliance with applicable laws and regulations, the University has determined that it will no longer admit Iranian national students to specific programs in the College of Engineering (i.e., Chemical Engineering, Electrical & Computer Engineering, Mechanical & Industrial Engineering) and in the College of Natural Sciences (i.e., Physics, Chemistry, Microbiology, and Polymer Science & Engineering) effective February 1, 2015.​

The full announcement and reasoning—namely, that the university is trying to act in accordance with all the twists and turns of the US sanctions regime—behind this new policy can be found here.


I’m waiting to hear back from some experts on the US sanctions policy as to whether the University is fairly grappling with constraints imposed by the US government or just going rogue.

But while I wait to hear back, I can’t help being reminded of the shitshow we saw when American Studies Association voted for an academic boycott of Israel.

You’ll recall that many self-proclaimed defenders of academic freedom at the time made a lot of noise about the threat that the boycott posed to academic exchange and international conversation. Even though nothing in the ASA vote precluded the exchange of individual scholars or students between the United States and Israel and the organization took great pains to stress that they were calling for institutional boycotts rather than a boycott of individuals.

Well, we don’t need to reprise that argument here. Because now we very clearly have a public university, claiming to act in accordance with US policy, officially banning Iranian national students from applying to entire graduate schools.

Will those putative defenders of academic freedom from the BDS fight speak out against this policy—and speak out far more forcefully than they did then— since this policy really does threaten academic freedom in the way they imagined the academic boycott did?

Or will they defend the university’s decision on the grounds of national security or the need for universities to act in accordance with US law? If they take that path, they’d be admitting a point many of suspected all along: that academic freedom really is not their highest value at all.

What will those defenders of academic freedom say—and, more important, do—now?

While we wait and see what they do, it’s very important that we get word of this policy out. Someone emailed me about it tonight, and I looked all over the internet and could not find a single mention of it. Do other universities have similar policies? Let’s try and gather information and make sure that people in the media and academia and civil liberties organizations know about this.


Updated (February 13, 12 pm)

So I’ve spoken with a few sanctions experts. More on that in a minute. First, some other updates.

1. Turns out that Kaplan, which is a US-based educational company, is implementing an even more draconian version of the policy over in Britain. For similar reasons as U. Mass. And it’s caused some problems.

Kaplan, a US-owned education provider in the UK, is refusing students who are residents of Iran enrolment in science, technology, engineering and mathematics (Stem) subjects as well as any of its post-graduate courses, citing US sanctions.


Applications for more than a dozen Iranians students have been withdrawn since autumn 2013 because the company felt it had to comply with the US regulations and sanctions policy regarding the country.

Critics say sanctions were put in place to punish Iranian authorities, not ordinary people, and that such interpretations were based on a misreading of the policy.

Iranian students studying in Britain’s public universities can generally take such courses.

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Read link for more on the story: U. Mass. Will No Longer Admit Iranian Students to Graduate Schools of Engineering and Natural Sciences (Updated) — Crooked Timber
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When the US is trying to stop you from even getting education.. You know you are doing something right! Americans are probably scared that these brilliant Iranians will someday become too good for them.But the effect is going to be quite the opposite. Educational sanctions!... Nice step!... This will also reverse the brain drain for Iran in the long run.

@haman10 @SOHEIL @ResurgentIran @Arminkh
 
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Makes sense. Why teach your enemy ? I'd ban Russians and Chinese, too.:usflag:
 
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When the US is trying to stop you from even getting education.. You know you are doing something right! Americans are probably scared that these brilliant Iranians will someday become too good for them.But the effect is going to be quite the opposite. Educational sanctions!... Nice step!... This will also reverse the brain drain for Iran in the long run.

@haman10 @SOHEIL @ResurgentIran @Arminkh

no :what:
it's because of sanctions that's it.
plenty of colleges in the world anyhow.

Makes sense. Why teach your enemy ? I'd ban Russians and Chinese, too.:usflag:


no way Russians and Chinese want out of their countries :D
they get some money and they say bye bye homeland hello America and the West.
it really ticks off the nationals I bet.
 
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When the US is trying to stop you from even getting education.. You know you are doing something right! Americans are probably scared that these brilliant Iranians will someday become too good for them.But the effect is going to be quite the opposite. Educational sanctions!... Nice step!... This will also reverse the brain drain for Iran in the long run.

@haman10 @SOHEIL @ResurgentIran @Arminkh

Iranians aren't going to change the region. I know because of your beliefs you assume that. Muslim students of all backgrounds get tracked depending on classes we take. Whether they take engineering or political science classes. It's part of racial profiling.

When I landed in my home state after coming back from overseas they asked me where and what I was studying and where I plan to transfer and so on.
 
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For once I thought it was MIT and I was shocked. Nevertheless bad idea to reduce "brain gain".
 
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For once I thought it was MIT and I was shocked. Nevertheless bad idea to reduce "brain gain".


It won't kill us to toss a few countries nationals out. Plenty of others waiting to come here.:usflag:
 
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1. Turns out that Kaplan, which is a US-based educational company, is implementing an even more draconian version of the policy over in Britain. For similar reasons as U. Mass. And it’s caused some problems.

Kaplan, a US-owned education provider in the UK, is refusing students who are residents of Iran enrolment in science, technology, engineering and mathematics (Stem) subjects as well as any of its post-graduate courses, citing US sanctions.

Kaplan is a non-issue as it is one of those for-profit test prep companies and their online degree is not taken seriously.
 
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When the US is trying to stop you from even getting education.. You know you are doing something right! Americans are probably scared that these brilliant Iranians will someday become too good for them.But the effect is going to be quite the opposite. Educational sanctions!... Nice step!... This will also reverse the brain drain for Iran in the long run.

@haman10 @SOHEIL @ResurgentIran @Arminkh

Having completed all of my degrees in Iran and now working among people who have completed their education in North America, I don't see any meaningful difference between the quality of the two educational systems.

I don't think Iranians in Iran would miss much as most of the people who attend North American universities would not return to Iran any way. On the other hand it might help keep the talent in Iran and reduce the brain drain.

But I think the engineering schools in US that adopt this policy would suffer a loss in the overall quality of the students that they take in. Reason is, here bright people usually end up in Law or Business schools while in Iran top students usually are attracted by engineering and medical schools.

Here is an article from Newsweek explaining how Iranian graduates from Sharif University surprised Stanford electrical engineering school administration by gaining highest scores ever in notoriously difficult PHD entrance exam. I had heard about a similar impression when Iranian students from Sharif Business School got their foot at Harvard Business school.

http://www.newsweek.com/surprising-success-irans-universities-87853
 
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But taking the best talents from those countries and making them American is a gain for America and loss for those countries.

No one really cares about Amherst (maybe with the exception of the people who are already studying there), but this would be a problem if it started a trend. I would stay away from U.S. public universities anyway, there several good public ivies, but Amherst is neither ivy, nor "good". Nonetheless, the decision makers must understand that they're just shooting themselves in the foot, Iranian community is one of the most successful communities in the U.S. and our contribution to the science, technology and economy is recognized.
 
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Good.

Inshallah all institutions follow this trend and ban iranian nationals from studying in US completely. That would help a lot.

Iran possesses enough high Quality Universities to support its young population.

For me, this act clearly shows we are doing it right. Long live iran

no :what:
it's because of sanctions that's it.
plenty of colleges in the world anyhow.

no way Russians and Chinese want out of their countries :D
they get some money and they say bye bye homeland hello America and the West.
it really ticks off the nationals I bet.
Its because of sanctions?
What kind of a fvcked up logic is that?

Which part of sanction targets iranian people directly?

Or maybe it's the whole point? :lol:

My bad you're right
 
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@haman10 @Militant Atheist

They're not banning American citizens of Iranian heritage (that's my understanding anyway). They're banning Iranian nationals. Which makes sense, because American public funds are being used to educate people that will go back to Iran and possibly work for the Iranian government. That of course can't happen.

If they are banning Americans of Iranian heritage, then that's a completely different story.
 
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Good.

Inshallah all institutions follow this trend and ban iranian nationals from studying in US completely. That would help a lot.

Iran possesses enough high Quality Universities to support its young population.

For me, this act clearly shows we are doing it right. Long live iran


Its because of sanctions?
What kind of a fvcked up logic is that?

Which part of sanction targets iranian people directly?

Or maybe it's the whole point? :lol:

My bad you're right


can Americans come to Iran and go to your top colleges?? without prejudice?
 
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That of course can't happen.
it can happen for other nationals , can't it ?

can Americans come to Iran and go to your top colleges?? without prejudice?
1- This is not a top college

2- US nationals CAN indeed come to iran and study in our top universities .

3- this is pure racism due to the fact that all non-american nationals can study whatever they want except iranians .

also , funny how u guys are racist , whereas the ones who are allowed to be racist (iranians - due to our history) are the most humble of all .

remember : we are white too :lol:

EDIT : NO ONE is allowed to be racist , i take that back

EDIT 2 : so you are agreeing that this has nothing to do with sanctions (cause that would be extremely racist too , and there is no UN sanction saying such) .
 
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