US, UK soldiers wear terrorist YPG uniforms in Syria camps

[mike2000 is back]

This is for the sectarian reasons, put that a side and look at the general situation in Iraq and ME, after Saddams fall a number of terrorist groups emerged from the created chaos and power vacuum.

LOL Well, it doesn't matter whether it's for sectarian reasons or not. The fact of the matter is that the Vast majority of Shias and Kurdish Iraqis were cheering U.S/Britain to help them get rid of their Sunni maniac dictator and oppressor Saddam. Many also say the Iranians were also happy to see his downfall for obvious reasons. What came after the toppling of Saddam was the doing of Iraqis themselves, the U.S/Britain were trying everything they could to stabilise the country and make it a stable, wealthy,prosperous western allied country like gulf states for example. It was Iraqis themselves who instead of coming together to build their country like say the Japanese did after the WWII, instead they started fighting against each other and holding past grudges which needed to be 'settled'. The West cant be blamed for the aftermath of something many Iraqis themselves wanted. since U.S/Britain and other western powers involved didn't want the country to fall into sectarian turmoil after the toppling of Saddam.

It was people in the region themselves who started going at each other throats after the fall of their dictator. The U.S/U.K didn't tell them to kill each other and destroy their country just to decide which sect will rule the country. I do agree with you however that it seems the main problem with people in this region is sectarianism /tribalism. Just like I noticed during my journey's in Africa as well. So the people there are the ones to blame themselves instead of always avoiding responsibility for their actions and talking the easy way out to blame the West as always. lol

 

[xenon54 out]

LOL Well, it doesn't matter whether it's for sectarian reasons or not. The fact of the matter is that the Vast majority of Shias and Kurdish Iraqis were cheering U.S/Britain to help them get rid of their Sunni maniac dictator and oppressor Saddam. Many also say the Iranians were also happy to see his downfall for obvious reasons. What came after the toppling of Saddam was the doing of Iraqis themselves, the U.S/Britain were trying everything they could to stabilise the country and make it a stable, wealthy,prosperous western allied country like gulf states for example. It was Iraqis themselves who instead of coming together to build their country like say the Japanese did after the WWII, instead they started fighting against each other and holding past grudges which needed to be 'settled'. The West cant be blamed for the aftermath of something many Iraqis themselves wanted. since U.S/Britain and other western powers involved didn't want the country to fall into sectarian turmoil after the toppling of Saddam.

Ok lets say it was really about bringing democracy and the intentions were really as innocent as you describe then tell me one thing, why is the same mistake being repeated over and over again?
I mean any sane person would say oh well the Iraq plan didnt work as planned so maybe we should not meddle into Syria and Libya.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

This is for the sectarian reasons, put that a side and look at the general situation in Iraq and ME, after Saddams fall a number of terrorist groups emerged from the created chaos and power vacuum.
The same goes for Syria and Libya.
And im not even blaming the west only, even Turkey has its share in it but we must focus on the starting point and who thought it would be a good idea the mess up Iraq like this.

The terrorists in Iraq popped up, and now many had their heads chopped off.
Daesh recruiting outside the region is dramatically dropping.
Politically, the situation in Iraq is much better than under Saddam.
Economics are much better than under Saddam.
Things are improving.

 

[xenon54 out]

The terrorists in Iraq popped up, and now many had their heads chopped off.
Daesh recruiting outside the region is dramatically dropping.
Politically, the situation in Iraq is much better than under Saddam.
Economics are much better than under Saddam.
Things are improving.

What you say is only regional and not general for the country, time will tell how its gonna look in the future but one thing is certain, millions lost their lives since the invasion and if the outcome is gonna be this then i dont know how this can be justified in any way.

 

[Pindi Boy]

LOL Don't worry. let them blame all their ills on the U.S, U.K and Israel as usual, they are never responsible for anything that happen in their countries/region. Anyway, I think we are already used to hearing this, nothing new there to be honest.

yes you are right US/UK are innocent angels Martians are destabilizing ME by bringing phony democracy there
Here i the video of kryptonite bombing Baghdad

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

What you say is only regional and not general for the country, time will tell how its gonna look in the future but one thing is certain, millions lost their lives since the invasion and if the outcome is gonna be this then i dont know how this can be justified in any way.

You can lead a donkey to water, but you cannot force him to drink.
The Sunnis and Shias need to ask themselves if this strife is justified.
Only they can decide for no.

 

[xyxmt]

Why the hell NATO supports Terrorist and After few years they cry for terrorist attacking them. WTF is their problem.

it suits their agenda, there will be no nato and no weapon sales if it wast for these wars.

 

[MMM-E]

The terrorists in Iraq popped up, and now many had their heads chopped off.
Daesh recruiting outside the region is dramatically dropping.
Politically, the situation in Iraq is much better than under Saddam.
Economics are much better than under Saddam.
Things are improving.

over 1 million of Iraqis were killed under the US and UK invasion .... American and British troops raped Iraqi Women and Girls

The US and UK created Terrorist Organizations such as DAESH and started a conflict between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq

The US and UK invasion of Iraq to steal oil reserves under the Mask of bringing them democracy
Where is your so-called democracy in Iraq ?

Iraq was destroyed , Iraqis are so poor , Iraq refugees ( over 400.000 Iraqi refugees in Turkey )
only conflict , blood , tears , American-British made Terrorist Organizations , traitor Puppets Barzani and Ibadi in Iraq

and The US wants to divide Iraq for 3 pieces ( Kurds-Sunnis-Shiites )

same secario in Libya ... because of SADDAM and QADDAFI were Anti-American Leaders

Libya was a better place to stay under Gaddafi and is now worse off
--Education and medical treatment were free
--Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project
--Libya had no external debt and had reserves of $150 billion most of which were frozen globally
--The price of petrol was $0,14 per litre in Libya
--Women in Libya were free to work and dress as they liked

and many more but France-The US and UK destroyed Libya and future of Libyan People .......now Humans being sold as slaves in Libya

after QADDAFI .. only civil war , conflict , blood , tears and American-British made Terrorist Organizations in Libya


The US,,UK,,France dont give a fck about democrasy in the Middle East
on the other hand pro-American Dictators SISI in Egypt , ROYAL FAMILIES in S Arabia and Uae are not problem for The US ,UK and France

 

[xenon54 out]

You can lead a donkey to water, but you cannot force him to drink.
The Sunnis and Shias need to ask themselves if this strife is justified.
Only they can decide for no.

It isnt only about sunni and shia, the last quote in video is on spot ''the worst thing the Americans have done is to make an Dictator to look like an Angel''.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

over 1 million of Iraqis were killed under the US and UK invasion .... American and British troops raped Iraqi Women and Girls

The US and UK created Terrorist Organizations such as DAESH and started a conflict between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq

The US and UK invasion of Iraq to steal oil reserves under the Mask of bringing them democracy
Where is your so-called democracy in Iraq ?

Iraq was destroyed , Iraqis are so poor , Iraq refugees ( over 400.000 Iraqi refugees in Turkey )
only conflict , blood , tears , American-British made Terrorists Organizations , traitor Puppets Barzani and Ibadi in Iraq

and The US wants to divide Iraq for 3 pieces ( Kurds-Sunnis-Shiites )

same secario in Libya ... because of SADDAM and QADDAFI were Anti-American Leaders

Libya was a better place to stay under Gaddafi and is now worse off
--Education and medical treatment were free
--Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project
--Libya had no external debt and had reserves of $150 billion most of which were frozen globally
--The price of petrol was $0,14 per litre in Libya
--Women in Libya were free to work and dress as they liked

and many more but France-The US and UK destroyed Libya and future of Libyan People .......now Humans being sold as slaves in Libya

after QADDAFI .. only civil war , conflict , blood , tears and American-British made Terrorists Organizations in Libya


The US,,UK,,France dont give a fck about democrasy in the Middle East
on the other hand pro-American Dictators SISI in Egypt , ROYAL FAMILIES in S Arabia and Uae are not problem for The US ,UK and France

1 million Muslims killed by other Muslims, and then some tens of thousands (mostly soldiers) killed by the coalition. That is a good description of Iraq.
Libyan Civil War without Western participation, each civilian killed counts as someone killed, not by the killer, but by the West.

If rape annoys you, why don’t you mention all the Libyan Women raped by Ghaddafi?
You support that since you want to keep a rapist in power.

TL;DW;

 

[xenon54 out]

TL;DW;

Maybe you should before posting self righteous comments about the situation in post invasion Iraq.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Maybe you should before posting self righteous comments about the situation in post invasion Iraq.

If You want to argue by linking to half hour videos, without any comments,
You are on your own.

 

[xenon54 out]

If You wat to argue using by linking to half hour videos, without any comments,
You are on your own.

Fine by me.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Ok lets say it was really about bringing democracy and the intentions were really as innocent as you describe then tell me one thing, why is the same mistake being repeated over and over again?
I mean any sane person would say oh well the Iraq plan didnt work as planned so maybe we should not meddle into Syria and Libya.

Since when did the U. S and U. K get involved in Syria? So you are also blaming Syrians revolting against their tyrant Assad as a western plot to brainwashed Syrians to rise up against their leader? Lol
Using that logic even your leader Erdogan is even more guilty as well. Since he had been one of the fiercest critics of the Assad and has been demanding we get involved from the very beginning to topple him. Fortunately for us we voted not to intervene to topple Assad, reason the U. S backed out as well. That's how Assad managed to start in power and the civil war raged on to this day. Many people have been blaming the very same West they always criticise for not intervening early to topple him like we did in Iraq and Libya. The funny thing is that even of we intervened in the beginning of the civil war to remove Assad the country will probably still be in a civil war or conflict as they will still have turned against each other like they did in Iraq and Libya. Tribes against tribes, sects against sects vying for power as always. Lol After that everyone will blame the west for removing Assad.
Now that we didn't intervene directly to remove Assad(we could have done that in less than a month if we really wanted to) the civil war still rages on with no Victor on sight. They are still blaming the West. Lol.

The truth of the matter is that. You people should try and sort your internal issues out yourselves before blaming all your ills on foreign powers.

 

[MMM-E]

1 million Muslims killed by other Muslims, and then some tens of thousands (mostly soldiers) killed by the coalition. That is a good description of Iraq.
Libyan Civil War without Western participation, each civilian killed counts as someone killed, not by the killer, but by the West.

If rape annoys you, why don’t you mention all the Libyan Women raped by Ghaddafi?
You support that since you want to keep a rapist in power

The US and UK killed 1 million Muslims in Iraq
American and British troops raped Iraqi Women and Girls
The US and UK destroyed Iraq and Future of Iraqi People and created Terrorist Organizations such as DAESH to start a conflict between Sunnis and Shiites in Iraq

who gave right to The US,UK and France attack on Iraq and Libya ? nobody

SADDAM and GADDAFI 100 times better ruled Iraq and Libya
there was no Civil War ,,, there was no Terrorist Organization

and GADDAFI and SADDAM were not rapist .... stop lying

what about Nuclear Weapons in Iraq ? liar criminal rapist scums