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US to hit militant safe havens in Pakistan

I usually do not care for chetah's (from tarzan movies fame) writing but I liked that piece :

Speculation is rife in American security circles that the Pentagon and CIA have honed new techniques that enable them to hunt terrorists more effectively -- the principle reason being advanced for the sharp decline of violence in Iraq. The same techniques appear to be applied in Pakistan

Jana

Asia times has a piece about how US intelligence officials had advised against such actions, in fact Mazzetti also refers to this caveat, where he cites the CIA drone missions.

Lets see the substance of the Pakistani response -- General Akhtar, Fateh kabul, Fateh Rus, had said that it is not that things are at a boil in Afghanistan but that they boil at the right temperature - Will Pakistani security established control that or will the DoD and NSA's remaining neocons control the temperature in Pakistan

My bet is on the Fauj, but I hedge it referring to the Pak politician, an oxymoron
 
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Not exactly ringing endorsement bu tthen what does one expect from Pakistani politicians



Army chief remarks reflect govt policy: PM
Updated at: 1320 PST, Thursday, September 11, 2008
Prime Minister Syed Yousuf Raza Gilani has said on Thursday that Army chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kiyani’s remarks on country’s defence are reflection of government policy.

He was talking to media persons after addressing the inaugural ceremony of Zero Point Interchange in Islamabad.

Prime Minister Gilani said nation should not be worried about Mike Mullen’s remarks on Pakistan. “We are a responsible nation, and government and army stance on US actions is very clear and same,” he added.

Earlier, addressing the inaugural ceremony, Gilani said PPP government was implementing the policy devised by its martyred leader Benazir Bhutto. He further said government was not given as gift as many sacrifices were offered in this regard.

The premier said government and opposition should work jointly for the growth and development of country. “We removed a dictator through dialogues instead of confrontation, he said, adding several years were spent in jails only to safeguard the rights of people
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There could be a very possiblity of this fact that the current establisment of Pakistan is a part of this new strategy being brought on by the americans. Remember that before BB came to Pakistan, she clearly announced that she will allow the americans to act on our soil because we are fighting the same war. Though BB is gone but her husband is still there and might reflect the same policy she wanted to initiate in Pakistan. Kyani being the COAS but at the same time has kept army away from any political decision making, so in the end one can assume that if a scenario like this where the US openly attacks FATA region occurs, we might actually see no response from our side expect of course through words.
 
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Ain't democracy grand:cheers:


Ey husn e bey parwa, tuje, shabnam kahaun sholah kahaun
 
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http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/11/pakistan-and-the-next-september-11/

On a warm late-summer summer morning seven years ago today, al Qaeda terrorists killed nearly 3,000 people after hijacking four commercial planes over U.S. skies. Since that terrible day, the United States has gone on the offensive in an effort to hunt down Osama bin Laden and other senior al Qaeda operatives. In Iraq, the overthrow of Saddam Hussein has been followed by five years of fighting between the U.S. military and al Qaeda-linked terrorists; since the troop surge in Iraq began last year, coalition forces have routed the jihadists there, and President Bush announced this week that some U.S. troops will be diverted to Afghanistan - where the September 11 hijackers trained.

Less than a month after September 11, the United States launched a military operation that destroyed the Taliban dictatorship in Afghanistan which had provided the hijackers a sanctuary to train for the attacks on the United States. By 2004, al Qaeda was badly weakened, its forces in decline. That is no longer the case. The organization has created a new safe haven for terrorist training and indoctrination on Pakistani soil - threatening the sovereignty and freedom of both newly democratic Pakistan and the neighboring democracy of Afghanistan, where more than 30,000 U.S. troops (and more than 20,000 others from NATO countries) are fighting to ensure that that nation does not return to what it was seven years ago: a base for launching attacks against the United States.

The security situation in Pakistan is deteriorating, so much so that American officials need to consider the unthinkable - that Pakistan in a worst-case scenario could become a launching pad for another strike against this country. Before September 11, the Pakistani government was undeniably an ally of the Taliban regime in neighboring Afghanistan and al Qaeda as well. After September 11, Washington demanded that Pakistan join the U.S.-led effort against the Taliban and al Qaeda or face the consequences. The strongman at the time, President Pervez Musharraf, acceded to the U.S. demands and became an on-and-off ally of Washington.

Since September 11, Pakistan (which is also a nuclear-weapons state) has received upwards of $10 billion in U.S. aid. But Gen. Musharraf and the democratically elected government that succeeded him have had a decidedly mixed record when it comes to cooperating with U.S. efforts to defeat al Qaeda and the Taliban: On the plus side, many Pakistani soldiers have died fighting the terrorists, and Pakistani security forces have helped with the capture of terrorists like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who masterminded the September 11 attacks.

But in other ways, Pakistan aids and abets terror. U.S. officials say that Pakistan's spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (which played a large role in backing the Taliban dictatorship in Afghanistan prior to September 11), was behind the recent bombing of India's embassy in Kabul. And the Pakistani government's refusal to confront al Qaeda has helped create a de facto safe haven for the group and its allies in locations like the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) region of Pakistan. Last month, Ted Gistaro, the U.S. national intelligence officer for transnational threats, compared al Qaeda's operational and organizational advantages in the FATA to those it enjoyed in Afghanistan prior to September 11. Mr. Gistaro also said that al Qaeda was training and positioning its operatives to carry out attacks in the West, probably including the United States. He said the attacks might occur using operatives who were legal residents of United States or European countries with passports that would allow them to travel here without a visa.

Unfortunately, Islamabad seems less concerned about its territory being used for an attack on the United States than about placating radical domestic Islamist groups. As the U.S. military steps up its operations against these terrorist networks inside Pakistan, that country's politicians try to out-demagogue one another in denouncing the United States for killing terrorists. Seven years after September 11, Pakistan's internal decline could have catastrophic consequences for the United States.
 
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Gen. Kiyani has done well to disassociate the Army from any perceptions of offering sanction to illegal US invasions into Pakistan - also remember the statement of the ACM, that the PAF will only shoot down US drones if the GoP issues the order.

The buck is clearly being passed to the PPP government, as it should be. I would have liked Gen. Kiyani to have clearly stated that the Army will not act unless the GoP issues orders, but that might have been seen as baiting the GoP and invoke the idea of tension between the two institutions, and cause more instability.

We know the PPP leadership has tacitly approved these illegal invasions, given the ridiculous attempts to justify them, the question is whether they can stand upto justified public outrage and pressure if 'stupid' actions like teh commando raid keep occurring.

Of course the Fundamentalist Christian in the White House had some awesome advice for Zardari, "don't care for public opinion" - That's what happens when you give the likes of Osama Bin Laden a 'civilized' sheen and a lot of power.
 
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Seems people don't remember that Benazir Bhutto was in favour of Foreign COIN ops on Pakistani soil which was the apparant justification for the Karachi Suicide bombing when she came back from exile.

The PPP is remaining loyal to the doctrine outlined by its dead leader.
 
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When General Kayani took over as chief of the army in November, American officials spoke highly of him and were counting on him to be their ally in much the same way, perhaps even to a greater degree, as President Pervez Musharraf had been. Mr. Musharraf was president and army chief for almost all of his nearly nine-year rule.

General Kayani’s statement on Wednesday seemed to call into question the extent of his cooperation and that of Pakistan’s army.

What bloody arrogant pricks some of these yanks are - 'cooperating' with the US does not mean we let them play cowboys on Pakistani soil.
Describing the anger in the Pakistani Army over the American raid, a senior Pakistani official with responsibility for national security said in an interview on Wednesday that the raid was particularly “stupid” because it lacked a serious target.

Four “foot soldiers” in the nexus of Taliban and Qaeda forces and an estimated 16 civilians, including women and children were killed, said the official, who declined to be named because of the delicate relationship between Pakistan and the United States.

Spot on!

In fact, some of the very objections we raised, of the risk of destabilizing Pakistan far outweighing any conceivable gains (unless destabilization is the goal).
 
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Seems people don't remember that Benazir Bhutto was in favour of Foreign COIN ops on Pakistani soil which was the apparant justification for the Karachi Suicide bombing when she came back from exile.

The PPP is remaining loyal to the doctrine outlined by its dead leader.

That is indeed what I meant when I referred to PPP leadership. However, I think a lot of people assumed it was her usual political rhetoric to curry favor with the West and get back into power, and lacking in sincerity.

Regardless, there was little support for her outlined policy then, and there is little support for her policy now.
 
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the Fundamentalist Christian in the White House had some awesome advice for Zardari, "don't care for public opinion" - That's what happens when you give the likes of Osama Bin Laden a 'civilized' sheen and a lot of power


Hallelujah!
 
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Looking at events from a broader perspective. Pakistan, and specifically COAS Gen. Kiyani objects strongly, and guess what - more articles quoting anonymous US officials come out, once again raising the bogey of 'ISI sponsoring terrorism' and now in fact going after Gen. Kiyani specifically by suggesting 'he had to have known'.

This is so blatant a propaganda effort it would be funny were it not for the nature of the allegations and the repercussions.

The US media continues to act as the mouthpiece for the US administration, propagating these lies, just as it did during the run up to Iraq.

Some more issues to tie this into - the end of Bush's term, and his attempt to possibly get some 'big fish' to put a sheen on his legacy?
 
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the Fundamentalist Christian in the White House had some awesome advice for Zardari, "don't care for public opinion" - That's what happens when you give the likes of Osama Bin Laden a 'civilized' sheen and a lot of power


Hallelujah!

Just wait - if McCain/Palin get elected, the creation teaching, book banning, 'Iraq is God's Plan' blabbering pitbull with lipstick is even worse.
 
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Palin and company are toast - the web warrior are frothing at the mouth against that closet muzlum, but the people are sick of these wars because they are hanging on for dear life - it's doo doo land, economic meltdown is not just a Pak phenomenon
 
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http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/sep/11/pakistan-and-the-next-september-11/

On a warm late-summer summer morning seven years ago today, al Qaeda terrorists killed nearly 3,000 people after hijacking four commercial planes over U.S. skies. Since that terrible day, the United States has gone on the offensive in an effort to hunt down Osama bin Laden and other senior al Qaeda operatives. In Iraq, the overthrow of Saddam Hussein has been followed by five years of fighting between the U.S. military and al Qaeda-linked terrorists; since the troop surge in Iraq began last year, coalition forces have routed the jihadists there, and President Bush announced this week that some U.S. troops will be diverted to Afghanistan - where the September 11 hijackers trained.

Less than a month after September 11, the United States launched a military operation that destroyed the Taliban dictatorship in Afghanistan which had provided the hijackers a sanctuary to train for the attacks on the United States. By 2004, al Qaeda was badly weakened, its forces in decline. That is no longer the case. The organization has created a new safe haven for terrorist training and indoctrination on Pakistani soil - threatening the sovereignty and freedom of both newly democratic Pakistan and the neighboring democracy of Afghanistan, where more than 30,000 U.S. troops (and more than 20,000 others from NATO countries) are fighting to ensure that that nation does not return to what it was seven years ago: a base for launching attacks against the United States.

The security situation in Pakistan is deteriorating, so much so that American officials need to consider the unthinkable - that Pakistan in a worst-case scenario could become a launching pad for another strike against this country. Before September 11, the Pakistani government was undeniably an ally of the Taliban regime in neighboring Afghanistan and al Qaeda as well. After September 11, Washington demanded that Pakistan join the U.S.-led effort against the Taliban and al Qaeda or face the consequences. The strongman at the time, President Pervez Musharraf, acceded to the U.S. demands and became an on-and-off ally of Washington.

Since September 11, Pakistan (which is also a nuclear-weapons state) has received upwards of $10 billion in U.S. aid. But Gen. Musharraf and the democratically elected government that succeeded him have had a decidedly mixed record when it comes to cooperating with U.S. efforts to defeat al Qaeda and the Taliban: On the plus side, many Pakistani soldiers have died fighting the terrorists, and Pakistani security forces have helped with the capture of terrorists like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who masterminded the September 11 attacks.

But in other ways, Pakistan aids and abets terror. U.S. officials say that Pakistan's spy agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence (which played a large role in backing the Taliban dictatorship in Afghanistan prior to September 11), was behind the recent bombing of India's embassy in Kabul. And the Pakistani government's refusal to confront al Qaeda has helped create a de facto safe haven for the group and its allies in locations like the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) region of Pakistan. Last month, Ted Gistaro, the U.S. national intelligence officer for transnational threats, compared al Qaeda's operational and organizational advantages in the FATA to those it enjoyed in Afghanistan prior to September 11. Mr. Gistaro also said that al Qaeda was training and positioning its operatives to carry out attacks in the West, probably including the United States. He said the attacks might occur using operatives who were legal residents of United States or European countries with passports that would allow them to travel here without a visa.

Unfortunately, Islamabad seems less concerned about its territory being used for an attack on the United States than about placating radical domestic Islamist groups. As the U.S. military steps up its operations against these terrorist networks inside Pakistan, that country's politicians try to out-demagogue one another in denouncing the United States for killing terrorists. Seven years after September 11, Pakistan's internal decline could have catastrophic consequences for the United States.

hey mr niteshkjain what are you doing on this forum?:pdf:
friends i want to show what really mr nitesh tinks of all about this

his 1st post on i.d.f. on this same topic: The time for joint India US operation is coming close. De nuke pakistan that's all is needed rest everything will happen automatically

2nd post:sir somehow I feel the time is coming close. I am getting excited to see IN and USN ponding hell out of karanchi and gwadar and B 52 in escort of MKI pounding hell out of all facilities there and US and Indian commandos taking the nukes out of that country. this is on i.d.f you can go and chek.


if i have permission i can put the link.
i cheked his age and his avatr and they r same on both forums so i can,t be wrong.

SORRY IF I SAID SOMETHING WRONG
 
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