US Stinger missile possibly brought down Malaysian aircraft: Rodney Martin

[nangyale]

Still doesn't state conditions. some people say that WW2 propeller driven fighters could achieve MACH 1 in a dive.

I don't think he says anything about dive. The words he uses is "once you punch everything off it, It will go over Mach 1".

 

[Chak Bamu]

I don't think so as stingers have a range of about 3 miles, haven't they? I have absolutely no doubt that Washington and Kiev were behind this, but how it was brought down, we don't know.

You really need to doubt your opinion which seems to be propped by your political views.

By posting such a BS thread, you just expose your lack of foresight and knowledge. Stinger can not bring down an airliner that is flying at cruise altitude. Just not possible.

In order to bust propaganda from Israelis, you need to be credible yourself. Posting threads like these does not help you.

 

[Oldman1]

How the hell did a Stinger get up to that height in the first place ??

The question is why use an American made Stinger in the first place. But like I've said before its Presstv.

 

[Hack-Hook]

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The question is why use an American made Stinger in the first place. But like I've said before its Presstv.

Stinger have proven history from Afghan war.
why abandon a proven platform in favor of something nobody heard of ? you just need to strap 2 or 3 booster around it and increase the length by 50% then I'm certain it will reach the 33000 feet magical altitude .

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I don't think he says anything about dive. The words he uses is "once you punch everything off it, It will go over Mach 1".

No, but then he didn't say that it was not in a dive either.
On top of that, he might be wrong.
Don't You think Sukhoi knows the performance of its planes?
No reason for them to downgrade the perceived performance for a fighter-bomber.

 

[nangyale]

No, but then he didn't say that it was not in a dive either.
On top of that, he might be wrong.
Don't You think Sukhoi knows the performance of its planes?
No reason for them to downgrade the perceived performance for a fighter-bomber.

Dude, you asked for evidence, I provided you with such. The rest is upto you to accept or not.
The question was, can the Su be fast enough to down a passenger airliner flying at cruising speed. The answer is yes.
Is it definite that the MH17 was downed by an Su25? The answer to that is maybe. There was an Su present when the plane brought down, as proven by the Russian ATC and eyewitness statements. But no one can be 100% certain at this point in time.
Now as far your assertions that in the documentary the commentator doesn't say that the plane is not diving when it's doing Mach 1 is illogical, no one makes statements based on diving speed. Also there is no need for an American channel/ reporter to biggen up the Su25. They are not part of the sales team, are they?

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Dude, you asked for evidence, I provided you with such. The rest is upto you to accept or not.
The question was, can the Su be fast enough to down a passenger airliner flying at cruising speed. The answer is yes.
Is it definite that the MH17 was downed by an Su25? The answer to that is maybe. There was an Su present when the plane brought down, as proven by the Russian ATC and eyewitness statements. But no one can be 100% certain at this point in time.
Now as far your assertions that in the documentary the commentator doesn't say that the plane is not diving when it's doing Mach 1 is illogical, no one makes statements based on diving speed. Also there is no need for an American channel/ reporter to biggen up the Su25. They are not part of the sales team, are they?

If you trust everything reporters state, then you are gullible. I don't call reporters statements evidence.
Maybe he listened to someone bragging or maybe he confused it with another Sukhoi type.

What is the likelyhood that someone can see a tiny plane at 33,000 feet.
Why did a Russian change the Wiki, THE SAME DAY AS THE RUSSIAN REPORT WAS ISSUED.

That makes the Su-25 lead lose most, if not all its credibility.

 

[nangyale]

If you trust everything reporters state, then you are gullible. I don't call reporters statements evidence.
Maybe he listened to someone bragging or maybe he confused it with another Sukhoi type.

Did you even watch the video that I provided. It's about the Su25 and no he didn't confuse it with another jet. Man you are holding on to straws now. You don't trust the documentary or is it that you don't want to listen to view that is contrary to yours?

What is the likelyhood that someone can see a tiny plane at 33,000 feet.

Plenty of people do. Maybe this time you can provide us with evidence that planes can not be seen at that altitude.

Why did a Russian change the Wiki, THE SAME DAY AS THE RUSSIAN REPORT WAS ISSUED.

Go and ask that Russian. Maybe he uploaded this documentary on the same day too. See brother Jesus is testing your faith.

That makes the Su-25 lead lose most, if not all its credibility.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Did you even watch the video that I provided. It's about the Su25 and no he didn't confuse it with another jet. Man you are holding on to straws now. You don't trust the documentary or is it that you don't want to listen to view that is contrary to yours?

Plenty of people do. Maybe this time you can provide us with evidence that planes can not be seen at that altitude.

Go and ask that Russian. Maybe he uploaded this documentary on the same day too. See brother Jesus is testing your faith.

I don't consider the documentary as more evidence than hearsay.

It is not impossible to detect at that altitude, since it has been claimed that Giora Epstein could
detect planes at 44 km, which is supposed to be 3 x the distance of the normal pilot = 15 km.

To identify it as a Su-25 at that distance seems to be difficult.

I only watched part of the documentary. The issue here was not speed, but ceiling.

 

[Oldman1]

Stinger have proven history from Afghan war.
why abandon a proven platform in favor of something nobody heard of ? you just need to strap 2 or 3 booster around it and increase the length by 50% then I'm certain it will reach the 33000 feet magical altitude .

Are you saying Russian MANPADS dont have a history as well as a proven system?

 

[nangyale]

I don't consider the documentary as more evidence than hearsay.

It is not impossible to detect at that altitude, since it has been claimed that Giora Epstein could
detect planes at 44 km, which is supposed to be 3 x the distance of the normal pilot = 15 km.

To identify it as a Su-25 at that distance seems to be difficult.

I only watched part of the documentary. The issue here was not speed, but ceiling.

No body on the ground is saying what type of aircraft it was that was spotted chasing the Boeing, all they are saying is that there was another jet giving chase. The aircraft type giving the chase is being identified by the Russian ATC.

 

[surya kiran]

How the hell did a Stinger get up to that height in the first place ??

Note the paratrooper carrying a gun? Same concept

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

I am just sad some rebels have better SAM then us

 

[Hack-Hook]

Are you saying Russian MANPADS dont have a history as well as a proven system?

Stinger is an outdated legend for itself , go out and ask people to name two man-pad then 90% say Stinger and Stinger and it's news for them that a dozen more countries also make man-pads .

I am just sad some rebels have better SAM then us

If you want better SAM just build it yourselves , we learned that nobody give you them unless it's in their interest .

 

[Oldman1]

Stinger is an outdated legend for itself , go out and ask people to name two man-pad then 90% say Stinger and Stinger and it's news for them that a dozen more countries also make man-pads .


If you want better SAM just build it yourselves , we learned that nobody give you them unless it's in their interest .

I can name a couple of instances of Russian made MANPADS that have successfully shot down fast moving planes and helos during Gulf War 1 and 2. As was the famous shot down of the biggest helicopter by the Chechens.