US Stinger missile possibly brought down Malaysian aircraft: Rodney Martin

[gau8av]

According to Aviation Week, it does not have a pressurized cabin.
I am sure pilots on PDF can comment on the viability of flying at 10,000 m without a pressurized cabin.

Normal loaded altitude 5000 m, and without arnament 7000 m, so on top of the separating distance
the missile must climb 3-5000 m.
The warhead (again according to Aviation Week) is 3kg, which they deem is unlikely to bring down a 777.

yeah, most likely a buk.. the su 25 theory is kinda weak, but those comments I quoted are from a Russian air force general so I'm willing to believe that it can fly that high for short periods of time.

but even so... who fired the buk ? that's not so clear at all

 

[nangyale]

According to Aviation Week, someone from Russia changed the "maximum ceiling" of the Su-25 Wiki entry to 33000 feet, the same day as Russia provided "evidence".

Sukhoi's own web page limit the ceiling to 7000 m (23000 feet) clean, and 5000 m with max payload.
How An Su-25 Can Shoot Down A Faster, Higher-Flying Aircraft | Ares

If it wasn't so serious, Russia would be a laughing stock.

The link that you provided earlier says otherwise.
Were you banking on confusing everyone with feets and meters?
Also this will explain why the Ukies ATC asked the plane to change altitude from 35000 to 33000.
By the way in clean configuration an Su-25 can go supersonic, I don't know of any passenger plane (which is operational today) that can do the same. So there goes your faster plane theory.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

The link that you provided earlier says otherwise.
Were you banking on confusing everyone with feets and meters?
Also this will explain why the Ukies ATC asked the plane to change altitude from 35000 to 33000.
By the way in clean configuration an Su-25 can go supersonic, I don't know of any passenger plane (which is operational today) that can do the same. So there goes your faster plane theory.

The Wiki was changed, and then the change was rejected to show Sukhois official numbers.
So with ordnance, max 5000 m, and without 7000 m.
Sukhoi claims Mach 0,82 in clean configuration, so you better show some sources.
What it can do in a dive is hardly relevant, since this would increase separation.

 

[boomslang]

This is a PRIME example of how bad PressTV BLOWS !! And cudos' to our OP for not reading the 'story' before posting. Clown.

P.S. Miss me ?

 

[SQ8]

How the hell did a Stinger get up to that height in the first place ??

 

[Desert Fox]

US stinger was fired from mig25- the pilot ejected and fired it- highly probable- -

i wonder how did he manage to fit that stinger in the tiny cockpit??

 

[JonAsad]

i wonder how did he manage to fit that stinger in the tiny cockpit??

Under his seat bro- under his seat- -

 

[boomslang]

How the hell did a Stinger get up to that height in the first place ??

The Ukrainians flew it up there in an SU-25 and dropped it on the plane. Right from the cockpit.

 

[Desert Fox]

Under his seat bro- under his seat- -

That makes a lot of sense.

 

[JonAsad]

That makes a lot of sense.

I dont know whats there to disbelieve-
carrying the stinger under his seat was the easy part-
aiming and firing it after ejection is the difficult one-
you should ask questions on that-

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Stinger Missiles cant hit targets at high altitude, if it was possible IAF would have lost much more number of planes in Kargil. Stinger is a MANPAD a point defense system for low to medium altitude threats.

FIM-92 Stinger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Anza I was used in kargil not stingers..

 

[Indischer]

lol . If separatists can bring down fighters then passenger plane should not be big deal .

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/world/europe/Malaysia-Airlines-jet-ukraine.html?_r=0

Rebels shoot down two Ukrainian fighter jets days after downing of MH17 | World news | theguardian.com

The planes in question are Su-25s. They typically do bombing/strafing missions at low altitudes and within the range of MANPADs. Bringing down a passenger plane at cruising altitude using shoulder-fired stingers is well nigh impossible.

 

[Desert Fox]

I dont know whats there to disbelieve-
carrying the stinger under his seat was the easy part-
aiming and firing it after ejection is the difficult one-
you should ask questions on that-

Yeah, that's something to ponder about.

 

[nangyale]

The Wiki was changed, and then the change was rejected to show Sukhois official numbers.
So with ordnance, max 5000 m, and without 7000 m.
Sukhoi claims Mach 0,82 in clean configuration, so you better show some sources.
What it can do in a dive is hardly relevant, since this would increase separation.

I will do better I will give a full documentary about the Su 25. Watch at 10:45. The guy says the same thing that I said the 25 will do Mach 1 with a clean configuration. Hopefully that will put at ease.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

I will do better I will give a full documentary about the Su 25. Watch at 10:45. The guy says the same thing that I said the 25 will do Mach 1 with a clean configuration. Hopefully that will put at ease.

Still doesn't state conditions. some people say that WW2 propeller driven fighters could achieve MACH 1 in a dive.