US spy drone 'tricked' into Iran landing by GPS spoofing

[Leviza]

This kind of GPS error is nothing new and sometimes it happens without external interference. These yay-hoos just simply do not understand how GPS works so might as well attribute the most fantastic story to Iran, that of 'hacking'.


Yup...We never violated Soviet airspace with the U-2 and SR-71 at all. No pictures were taken. Absolutely not.

Some people love to argue even if they do not have anything to put as a source...
shows me why US is such shape these days.... more than 10 years of WAR in Afghanistan and thinking about IRAN? what a joke,

 

[gambit]

Some people love to argue even if they do not have anything to put as a source...

You mean like how Iran 'hacked' the drone? I would love to see the source on that. Make that non-press.tv please.

 

[Leviza]

They are. In a way, they are terribly naive about it. They did not stopped and think that IF it was truly from Iranian efforts, wiser heads inside the Iranian military would have argue for silence. Let the Americans think that it was an internal failure.

you guys keep thinking of what ever you like, but the facts are different in Afghanistan,

You mean like how Iran 'hacked' the drone?

you are not different from others , have you given any sources for claims so far in this thread...?

 

[gambit]

you guys keep thinking of what ever you like, but the facts are different in Afghanistan,

Afghanistan got nothing to do with this. Try to think logically and like a tactician. If you can do X and if you can keep quiet about it, why would you give your enemy the clue that you can do X?

you are not different from others , have you given any sources for claims so far in this thread...?

GPS spoofing is not new, but it is localized and usually not very long range, including altitude. Further, the antennas for communication are located topside where the aircraft's fuselage and wings would shield them from most ground interference signals, the same way a hill or mountain could block radio signals.

Think.

 

[SOHEIL]

Cry gambit ! Cry

 

[Oldman1]

This is nothing. Pakistan had tricked a dozen Predator drones into crashing in their territory. Having one crashing into Iran is nothing. Iran has to catch up.

 

[SOHEIL]

This is nothing. Pakistan had tricked a dozen Predator drones into crashing in their territory. Having one crashing into Iran is nothing. Iran has to catch up.

 

[Oldman1]

I know right, Iran has to catch up.

 

[SOHEIL]

I know right, Iran has to catch up.

you ran very nice !

 

[gambit]

Cry gambit ! Cry

Yeah...Am laughing so hard at the Iranians and their gullibility that tears are running.

To 'spoof' is not the same as to deny or to confuse. Bet I just confused you right now.

To 'deny' is to remove contact or access, in other words to 'jam'.

To 'confuse' is to present a false set of ideas as true or valid.

So to 'spoof' is to confuse and mislead. The problem here is how to present to the receiver those false set of ideas as true or valid. Even civilian GPS receivers have some measure of 'anti-spoofing' ability but only to the extent that if the 'spoofing' signals have timing and strength that are out of certain bounds, the receiver will ignore those signals. The electronic ether is filled with stray signals and many of them can momentarily appeared to be similar to a GPS signal from one satellite. Signal strength is one criteria where the receiver can ignore a signal as a potential false. So if three satellites are required and one of them is out of bounds, it can be discarded and the system will look for a valid third signal. However, if the spoofing signal is not out of those bounds, then the receiver will process it as valid.

The problem for the Iranian argument is that military GPS hardware in weapons have a very low out of bounds criteria while civilian hardware is much higher. In other words, it is easier to spoof or mislead a civilian receiver than a military one. Iran would have to know exactly which satellite will be in which position and know their signals intimately in order to produce a spoofing signal that an mislead the drone in discussion. If the spoofing signal is too strong, it will be discarded. If it is too weak, it will be discarded.

Get it?

 

[Esc8781]

Oh look we hacked into your computers and took your secrets, that was the flame virus it took you too long to get rid of it, so now we have your secrets

 

[graphican]

Electronic warfare experts used GPS spoofing techniques to snag drone, according to a report

By Jaikumar Vijayan | Computerworld US | Published: 17:54, 16 December 2011


An unconfirmed report in the Christian Science Monitor yesterday quoted an unnamed Iranian engineer as saying that experts in the country were able to electronically ambush the drone, cuting off its communications links and reconfigure its GPS coordinates to trick it into landing in Iran.

how would they cut communicaiton links between satellite and drone without any comparable technology??? If this is the case, USA is admitting that its best tech is "cut-able" by Iranians which is a very good news for Israel. So when Iranian Officials say they can change directions of Israeli Missiles fired at them - you have a reason to believe they could do that.

 

[SOHEIL]

First they said there is not such an aircraft.
Then they said Iran doesn't have radars capable of detecting a hi-tech stealth aircraft flying in high altitude (50,000ft or15.2km) i.e invisible to & out of range of Iranian radars.
Then they said it was flying inside Afghan airspace and was not violating the Iranian airspace.
Then they said, it crashed. About 250km inside Iranian central dessert due to wind (wind usually blows west-east wards and not the other way around) and Iranians ,who had no radars to see (and know about the plane flying over Iran) in first place, found it immediately in the desert; like a needle in the hey stack!
Then they said Iranians neither have radars to detect the "invisible" aircraft in high altitudes, nor they have the technology and expertise to cut off it's link with it's command & control base and take over it's controls and land it in one piece!
Then they said the recovered plane, if ever, is of no value since it's smashed into small pieces due to crash from high altitudes.
Then they said, Iran cannot crack the codes.
Then they said, Iran cannot do anything with the drone.
Now they say, that Iran cannot copy the high-tech equipment.

 

[Esc8781]

Even if I am that generous, it took that long and only one drone?

Gambit he drone dosen't use GPS lolz!

 

[Secur]

First they said there is not such an aircraft.
Then they said Iran doesn't have radars capable of detecting a hi-tech stealth aircraft flying in high altitude (50,000ft or15.2km) i.e invisible to & out of range of Iranian radars.
Then they said it was flying inside Afghan airspace and was not violating the Iranian airspace.
Then they said, it crashed. About 250km inside Iranian central dessert due to wind (wind usually blows west-east wards and not the other way around) and Iranians ,who had no radars to see (and know about the plane flying over Iran) in first place, found it immediately in the desert; like a needle in the hey stack!
Then they said Iranians neither have radars to detect the "invisible" aircraft in high altitudes, nor they have the technology and expertise to cut off it's link with it's command & control base and take over it's controls and land it in one piece!
Then they said the recovered plane, if ever, is of no value since it's smashed into small pieces due to crash from high altitudes.
Then they said, Iran cannot crack the codes.
Then they said, Iran cannot do anything with the drone.
Now they say, that Iran cannot copy the high-tech equipment.

And then they continued being in denial mode by inventing strange new logics Not even thinking that whatever they say , wont change the fact that Iran has the drone now and the US president's request to return it back was rejected