US should leave Manbij in Syria, Turkey will return it ‘to true owners,’ Erdogan warns

[Oublious]

The blood of the innocent will be on the hands of guys like you.
People who sit behind a keyboard hate-mongering.



What Turkey does is bullying. What the US is doing is trying to save the world economy and world stability from total collapse by morons like you, TurkeyForever. Sorry to have to put it so bluntly in public. I really am.

yeah yeah...

http://video.haber7.com/video-galeri/113003-ypgli-terorist-masum-cocugu-boyle-taradi


hewal is innocent but when they killing they are angels...

 

[PeaceGen]

Turkey is on wrong side. Turkey should be ally of Russia .

at least ,Russians dont back stab .

The Russians do back-stab on occasion. Chechnya, Afghanistan, Vietnam (even though their allies the Vietnamese did win in the end). Using other people as proxy forces *is* backstabbing. And if the one being backstabbed looks over their shoulder, it's nothing but that Russian confident smile that is a lie *at such times*.

The Americans have abandoned allies in the past, and in Vietnam that didn't result (much) in seeing those abandoned allies backstabbed, but i think they've learned their lesson after their first round of support for the Afghan Taliban, and the result of a Taliban very angry with US presences on their lands, and Muslims now insisting on getting the Patton treatment : leave the lands to their own people after a military problem has been solved.
If the Americans forget, i'll remind them.
As i did to get the Iran nuclear deal program going by the way, and no i did *not* do that entirely by myself either. and i really can't say anything more about that.

yeah yeah...

http://video.haber7.com/video-galeri/113003-ypgli-terorist-masum-cocugu-boyle-taradi


hewal is innocent but when they killing they are angels...

i saw nothing but a clean execution during a war.
i saw it all over the executioner's face : don't worry, this guy is a traitor (or spy), and really deserves to die.
and then an M60 heavy machine gun pumping about 100 bullets into the guy within a few seconds.

please understand, as a spy or traitor that's an honorable quick death (at least i think so, and note that i'm neither, to anyone or for anyone - i'm a combat-diplomat and a combat-psychologist who prefers to heal rather than to kill, but i can kill when i need to, to protect myself, my loved ones, or innocent bystanders or cops on duty),
and if you see the about-to-be-executed able to *walk* to the spot of their execution is a sign that the executed hasn't been tortured too badly for the information he or she doesn't want to give up.

But..

Prove in terms of statistics that i can verify from a NGO Western source (like wikipedia.org) that the Kurds have been killing Turkish innocents brutally. Prove how long it's been since they did this.

then i'll re-consider my currently unlimited support for the Kurds, but only after verifying it, can i say objectively that the evidence is truthful and accurate. And i *need* to be able to do that to be *able* to support Turkish interests in this conflict between the PKK and Erdogan and his supporters (when it comes to the issue of the PKK desiring Turkish land).

i'll accept links to aftermath pictures this time, but to comply with forum rules let's post them as HTTP or HTTPS full website links and add a \ after HTTP or HTTPS in the address bar, to make sure nobody ends up with blood filled pictures on their screen too easily (and per forum rules that shouldn't happen at all, i know)..

Dear moderators of defence.pk, i need to know if the PKK are or have been actual terrorists.
Please let the links provided (by anyone in any thread in at least World Affairs relating to the Kurdish+International Support vs the more nationalistic Turks),
be used so that the regular viewers of this forum get a clear sense on how much if at all to support the Kurdish (long-standing and long-advertised) desire for (fully-)autonomous control of their neighborhoods.

And yes, i *could* blindly say : well, no Turkish land for the Kurds.
but i'm not the kind of guy that lets himself be guided by people i don't know well with a blindfold over my eyes, if you know what i mean.

 

[Oublious]

bla bla bla bla bla and againg bla bla

They are angels of the middle east.

 

[TurkeyForever]

We walk the walk while this pkk fan boy keep talking blablabla

 

[IblinI]

We aren't ready, when we at least have 50% the power of USA or Russia, then we can stand alone.

How you gonna achieve that, just curious.

 

[TurkeyForever]

How you gonna achieve that, just curious.

It will take time but it's not impossible.

Wee need better economy, education, military, science/research. Many things.

Most important of all we need a change in mentality that as a nation and people we can achieve great things.

We need to become less religious to achieve great things in this age, let people pray but let them do it privately, should have NOTHING to do with education or work life.

If you want to pray go pray on your free time.

I see religions effect on society as the biggest roadblock to Turkeys success.

To give you a daily example, if someone has a car accident in Turkey there is a large chance they will say "it was fate" or "it was Gods will". When in reality it was their own stupidity or lack of driving skills.

We need to stop blaming everything on fate and God, we need to take our own destiny in our own hands.

We should also learn to work hard to achieve things, many are lazy in Turkey.

Too many young people watch tv series about mafia and other time wasters too much, while in the west they read books!

Talking of books, you have many books with conspiracy theories in bookstores in Turkey, need to ban them all. No need to confuse peoples minds.

Even in a tiny book shop in Turkey you will find books about "end of times prophecies", people go crazy and become even more stupid reading these things. In the west you would only find these in the fantasy/religion sections.

Tech and research wise we need to become like South Korea/Japan.
Financially we need to become like Germany.
Militarily we need to become like USA.
Human rights and living standards and health care we need to become like Norway.
And so on, take the best of everything.

 

[PeaceGen]

They are angels of the middle east.

We walk the walk while this pkk fan boy keep talking blablabla

So you guys are not going to provide evidence?

That means the Kurds have a valid claim to Turkish lands as well.

A "great people" should be great enough to hand over some useful land to a people without lands.

It will take time but it's not impossible.

We need better economy, education, military, science/research. Many things.

Most important of all we need a change in mentality that as a nation and people we can achieve great things.

We need to become less religious to achieve great things in this age, let people pray but let them do it privately, should have NOTHING to do with education or work life.

If you want to pray go pray on your free time.

I see religions effect on society as the biggest roadblock to Turkeys success.

To give you a daily example, if someone has a car accident in Turkey there is a large chance they will say "it was fate" or "it was Gods will". When in reality it was their own stupidity or lack of driving skills.

We need to stop blaming everything on fate and God, we need to take our own destiny in our own hands.

We should also learn to work hard to achieve things, many are lazy in Turkey.

Too many young people watch tv series about mafia and other time wasters too much, while in the west they read books!

Talking of books, you have many books with conspiracy theories in bookstores in Turkey, need to ban them all. No need to confuse peoples minds.

Even in a tiny book shop in Turkey you will find books about "end of times prophecies", people go crazy and become even more stupid reading these things. In the west you would only find these in the fantasy/religion sections.

Tech and research wise we need to become like South Korea/Japan.
Financially we need to become like Germany.
Militarily we need to become like USA.
Human rights and living standards and health care we need to become like Norway.
And so on, take the best of everything.

Stop that. Turkey with it's overly-aggresive political attitude can't have a military industry that's going to compete with the West's military industry. You'd expose yourselves to risk, you'd go down the path of the Saudis + Iranians; exporting weapons to be used by your (new) (fellow-Muslim) proxy forces, is practicing proxy war policies at least, or state-sponsored terrorism once everyone is convinced that that is not going to achieve anything useful at all (for anyone).

Other than that, you might be a smarter dude than i thought at first, TurkeyForever.

 

[TurkeyForever]

So you guys are not going to provide evidence?

That means the Kurds have a valid claim to Turkish lands as well.

A "great people" should be great enough to hand over some useful land to a people without lands.



Stop that. Turkey with it's overly-aggresive political attitude can't have a military industry that's going to compete with the West's military industry. You'd expose yourselves to risk, you'd go down the path of the Saudis + Iranians; exporting weapons to be used by your (new) (fellow-Muslim) proxy forces, is practicing proxy war policies at least, or state-sponsored terrorism once everyone is convinced that that is not going to achieve anything useful at all (for anyone).

Other than that, you might be a smarter dude than i thought at first, TurkeyForever.

Get lost terrorist lover, we will smash those kurd terrorists like bugs and there is NOTHING you can do about it!

 

[LegionnairE]

A "great people" should be great enough to hand over some useful land to a people without lands.

Dumbest line of reasoning I've heard in a while.

> you don't give me your home so you're not so great

goddamn I hate beggars

 

[PeaceGen]

pretty soon we'll able to leave you in the "tender care" of the Russians. You Muslims want us out of your lands, we've finally been able to build up enough green energy and domestic oil production energy production capacity to not need oil from Muslim lands anymore. Yes, it took us a few decades, and might take us a decade or 2 more, but then we can leave you on your own as you want.
Unless of course you continue your meglanomaniac plans for (near-)world domination of Islam, or your completely theologically and spiritually ridiculous plans to wipe Israel off the map (which directly led to this war of terror, and not by our choices at any point along the line to today), or if you just continue terror strikes against the west for counter-productive revenge purposes or because you think there are enough Muslim(a)s in Europe to just try to take over Europe (again)..
There's a bunch of reasons we "meddle" in the Middle East. Not just oil.
Your aggression that builds up when you're left alone, is a large and valid reason to be guiding ("meddling with") you, and that has to happen by force. You Muslim "warriors" understand and respect nothing but strength and superior force.

but even if we leave you to the Russians, you'll just blame them for all problems caused by your inter-Muslim hatred and drive-to-compete as well.
you always blame the outsider who is trying to help.

and no, moderate good Muslim(a)s, that wasn't said to you, the reason i'm here on this forum is to support your valid interests.
it was said to your stupid, like @LegionnairE and @TurkeyForever.
guys who *think* they're smart and strong.
guys who get hated and laughed at all the way to the afterlife, and possibly all of their time in the afterlife.

but this Turkish vs PKK issue has been solved in my view. The Turks are highly unreasonable and stupid at the moment, everyone who supports Erdogan's views when it comes to the PKK i mean.

That means, we can deal with them harshly.
Discussions are *over*.
Actions will do the talking from here on. i'll see to that.

 

[TurkeyForever]

pretty soon we'll able to leave you in the "tender care" of the Russians. You Muslims want us out of your lands, we've finally been able to build up enough green energy and domestic oil production energy production capacity to not need oil from Muslim lands anymore. Yes, it took us a few decades, and might take us a decade or 2 more, but then we can leave you on your own as you want.
Unless of course you continue your meglanomaniac plans for (near-)world domination of Islam, or your completely theologically and spiritually ridiculous plans to wipe Israel off the map (which directly led to this war of terror, and not by our choices at any point along the line to today), or if you just continue terror strikes against the west for counter-productive revenge purposes or because you think there are enough Muslim(a)s in Europe to just try to take over Europe (again)..
There's a bunch of reasons we "meddle" in the Middle East. Not just oil.
Your aggression that builds up when you're left alone, is a large and valid reason to be guiding ("meddling with") you, and that has to happen by force. You Muslim "warriors" understand and respect nothing but strength and superior force.

but even if we leave you to the Russians, you'll just blame them for all problems caused by your inter-Muslim hatred and drive-to-compete as well.
you always blame the outsider who is trying to help.

and no, moderate good Muslim(a)s, that wasn't said to you, the reason i'm here on this forum is to support your valid interests.
it was said to your stupid, like @LegionnairE and @TurkeyForever.
guys who *think* they're smart and strong.
guys who get hated and laughed at all the way to the afterlife, and possibly all of their time in the afterlife.

but this Turkish vs PKK issue has been solved in my view. The Turks are highly unreasonable and stupid at the moment, everyone who supports Erdogan's views when it comes to the PKK i mean.

That means, we can deal with them harshly.
Discussions are *over*.
Actions will do the talking from here on. i'll see to that.

Who are you to call Turks stupid?

I'd love to meet you in real life and teach you a good lesson.

It's easy calling us stupid behind a keyboard coward.

 

[-SINAN-]

Bros, i advise to not engage conversation with this guy.

He is a leftist fool living in his universe, best to leave him alone.

 

[mike2000 is back]

To give you a daily example, if someone has a car accident in Turkey there is a large chance they will say "it was fate" or "it was Gods will". When in reality it was their own stupidity or lack of driving skills.

ahhahahah...... Very true. I have witnessed this myself in almost all the African(both North and subsharan Africa) countries i have been to. Always got me laughing.
Funny enough those in authority encourage this, since it serves their interests(they can carry on pillaging their countries wealth and resources with impunity ).

 

[-SINAN-]

ahhahahah...... Very true. I have witnessed this myself in almost all the African(both North and subsharan Africa) countries i have been to. Always got me laughing.
Funny enough those in authority encourage this, since it serves their interests(they can carry on pillaging their countries wealth and resources with impunity ).

The best example is the "martyr" concept.

When a soldier dies, he is a "martyr". He achieved a holy thing, sleeping with our prophet in the heaven, etc....

Nobody ask questions like;
- If he got a adequate training.
- If he got adequate equipment.
- If there had been a mistake in the decision making.
- If it was the fault of higher-ups.

He is a "martyr"....case closed.

 

[TurkeyForever]

The best example is the "martyr" concept.

When a soldier dies, he is a "martyr". He achieved a holy thing, sleeping with our prophet in the heaven, etc....

Nobody ask questions like;
- If he got a adequate training.
- If he got adequate equipment.
- If there had been a mistake in the decision making.
- If it was the fault of higher-ups.

He is a "martyr"....case closed.

Yeah and the messed up thing is if you'd question if he really was a martyr and mention the things you mentioned here, you'll probably get beat up or worse, because the feelings associated with it are so strong.

I did long term military service I didn't even get to shoot once!!!

I'm not joking, yet on patrols and guard duty I had automatic weapons that were loaded, but I don't know how to shoot the damn thing haha

I even had the keys to the weapons room

So if something happens or I get called in to some war zone and I die am I really a martyr?

I don't think so!