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US ship fires on boat off Dubai, 1 dead

US couldn't beat Vietnam, still has had no success in Afghanistan or Iraq, managed to kill a mass murderer after 10 years even though he was in one of their allies' territory and now are having wet dreams of beating a country far stronger than all 3 combined with the possibility of one of their nuclear allies siding against them?

Must be the people in this video
How Stupid Americans Really Are! - YouTube
 
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And then you wake up on the bottom of the Persian gulf with no limbs watching your "soldiers" explode in their ships :lol:

See, you are all talk. :lol:

When US Navy did engage Iranian Navy, it blew it out of the water.

Since 1988, Iran has hurriedly copied North Korean missiles and you think US Navy is sitting idly by and not doing anything?

If China is afraid of launching an amphibious assault on Taiwan due to the presence of one US fleet, are you actually thinking that Iran can take on 3 or even 4 US Fleets? :lol:

Is it any wonder why your comments are considered such a joke.
 
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Name one instance in modern times where Indians were involved in piracy. Actually we are one of the biggest victims of piracy operating out of Somalia.
1) I never heard anyone breathe that Indians are involved in piracy.

2) I don't think the sailor had "Indian" stamped on his hat or jacket;

3) Because Indians are victims of piracy means that it isn't beyond belief that their crews may be impressed into piracy as well.

I expect more of these incidents in the future. Too many small boats play chicken with U.S. Navy vessels, just so their captains or pilots can go back home and tell tall tales. Everyone knows the tactics the Iranians practice are for swarming or secret attacks on U.S. Navy ships with small vessels. The investigation has only begun but I imagine a reasonable conclusion would be that it would have been irresponsible of the security team not to shoot at the other vessel when and how it did.
 
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The investigation has only begun but I imagine a reasonable conclusion would be that it would have been irresponsible of the security team not to shoot at the other vessel when and how it did.
I see you have already drawn your conclusion without all the evidence being produced
 
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Jul 18, 2012

Double probe into US Navy sea shooting

UAE authorities and the US navy are both examining the circumstances under which an armed American naval oil-supply vessel opened fire with a heavy machinegun on a fishing boat returning to port with six Indian crew and two Emiratis.

One fisherman, A Sekar, 29, was shot dead. Three others – Muthu Muniraj, 28, Muthu Kannan, 40, and Pandu Sanadhan, 26 – were injured. The four others were unhurt.

US navy officials said the USNS Rappahannock resorted to lethal force only after issuing repeated warnings to the crew of the Emirati-registered Tharath, and that the fishermen disregarded the warnings and rapidly approached the US ship.

The fishing boat survivors said the American ship opened fire without warning. Muthu Muniraj, 28, who was shot in the right leg, said: “We saw the boat from far.

“When we came close, we slowed down to let them pass to avoid any accidents. Once we crossed them from behind, they started firing at us. Usually, we know alarms and sirens are sounded by ships. But there were no warnings.”

The US Embassy in New Delhi expressed its condolences to the families of the crew.

For the crew on the deck of the fishing vessel Tharath on Monday, it was a chance to enjoy the sea breezes at the end of a long day hauling in their weekly catch.

The 30-metre boat had been at sea since 7am, escaping the suffocating heat of a Dubai summer. Now it cruised 19 kilometres parallel to the port of Jebel Ali. Few of the six-man Indian crew paid much attention to the huge grey ship steaming directly in front of them into the Arabian Gulf.

It took a few seconds to turn a pleasant afternoon cruise into a scene of horror. As the fishing boat turned to pass behind the bigger ship, it was raked with bullets from a powerful .50 calibre heavy machinegun mounted on the deck of the other vessel.

The circumstances behind what the US navy calls the "USNS Rappahannock Incident" are still unclear, with the fishermen offering conflicting accounts from those by American authorities. All that can be said with any certainty is that when the shooting stopped, one fisherman was dead and three others lay injured following a catastrophic breakdown in communication.

According to the fishermen, the bullets began to fly without warning. "There were just lots of bullets coming at us," said one of the men, Murugan, 40, who escaped unhurt. "We are not sure how we survived. If the US navy had given us some warning signals, we would have been more careful."

Muthu Muniraj was less lucky, and was wounded in his right leg. He says the US navy started firing at them after their boat crossed the USNS Rappahannock and was heading towards the shore.

"We saw the boat from far," said Mr Muniraj. "When we came close, we slowed down to let them pass to avoid any accidents. Once we crossed them from behind, they started firing at us.

"Usually, we know alarms and sirens are sounded by ships. But there were no warnings."

The US account of what happened on Monday afternoon in UAE territorial waters is more clinical, but also runs counter to the fishermen's claims. The Rappahannock is a 31,000-tonne refuelling ship attached to the navy's Military Sealift Command, which replenishes American ships on active duty. Her crew are civilians, but entering areas of high risk such as the Arabian Gulf - with the constant threat of Iranian fast-attack craft - the US places on board what it calls an Embarked Security Team of service personnel, in this case armed with heavy machineguns.

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Muthu Kannan is one of the fisherman from India getting treatment at the Rashid Hospital after he was shot by the US navy.

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Fellow crew members of the Tharath, Murugan, left, and Kumaresan, visit Pandu Sanadhan at Rashid Hospital in Dubai.

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Provided photo of the fishing boat Tharath.

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Muthu Muniraj fisherman from India getting treatment at the Rashid Hospital in Dubai. Yesterday he was shot by US Navy off the coast of the United Arab Emirates.

Double probe into US Navy sea shooting - The National



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Here's a pic of the USNS Rappahannock, the vessel whose crew fired on an aggressive boat:

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That's right, gang, it isn't a fighting ship but a logistics vessel, a gussied-up tanker, appropriately called an "oiler" in Navy parlance. Did the aggressive boat mistake the ship for an oil tanker and easy prey for pirates? You decide.

Above against this?

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Provided photo of the fishing boat Tharath.

Jul 17, 2012

US navy opens fire on fishing boat off UAE coast

A fisherman was killed and three other men critically injured yesterday after a United States navy oil-supply vessel opened fire on a fishing boat.

The four Indian victims were among eight people on the fishing boat, with two Emiratis and two other Indians. The incident happened at 2.50pm, 16 kilometres off the coast of Jebel Ali.

“The injured men are in intensive care,” a Coastguard official said last night.

Lt Greg Raelson, a spokesman for the US navy’s Fifth Fleet in Bahrain, said the crew of the USNS Rappahannock used lethal force after the fishermen disregarded a series of warnings and rapidly approached the US ship. When those efforts failed to deter the fishing boat, the security team on the ship opened fire with a .50-calibre machinegun, he said.

The incident is under investigation by the US navy. The American vessel provides fuel and supplies to US navy and coalition ships.

“The UAE-concerned authorities are investigating the incident,” Dr Tariq Ahmed Al Hidan, political affairs assistant to the Foreign Minister, told the state news agency Wam.

Dubai’s police chief, Lt Gen Dahi Khalfan Tamim, said the captain of the boat did not receive any warning.

“The primary investigation confirms that the boat was in its right course and did not pose any danger. The shooting was clearly a mistake,” he said.

The Indian ambassador to the UAE, MK Lokesh, said the embassy was waiting for UAE authorities to investigate the incident.

“We have to still ascertain the exact circumstances in which the boat was shot,” Mr Lokesh said. "We are waiting for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs' response. I have asked the consulate to assist the injured and I will also try to visit them."

The ambassador said the Indian missions would contact all four men's relatives in India to keep them informed.

A local fisherman said last night the boat had been returning with its daily catch and claimed it was shot without any warning.

“They were coming back to the marina area and the two Emiratis were inside the cabin driving the boat. The other men were sitting outside,” he said.

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A US Navy spokesperson said the USNS Rappahannock used lethal force after the fishermen disregarded a series of warnings and rapidly approached the ship.

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Emirati police and other officials inspect a fishing boat that was shot at by the crew of a United States navy vessel. One fisherman was killed and three other men critically injured.

US navy opens fire on fishing boat off UAE coast - The National

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Jul 18, 2012

Indian leaders call for inquiry into US navy shooting of fishing boat

India's government has asked the UAE to conduct a thorough investigation into Monday's incident.

"India's ambassador in Abu Dhabi has requested UAE authorities to probe the circumstances of the tragic incident," said Syed Akbaruddin, a spokesman for the Indian ministry of external affairs.

He said the Indian Embassy in Washington had been "in touch with US agencies regarding the incident in the Gulf and assured of a full investigation".

The external affairs minister, SM Krishna, said India was "in touch with our envoys in Dubai and the US" and that the UAE had filed a case about the shooting.

"It is unfortunate that an Indian fisherman has been killed. On behalf of the government of India, I send my condolences. We have earnestly taken up the matter," said Mr Krishna.

Mr Akbaruddin also said India's acting consul general in Dubai had gone to Jebel Ali port "to provide necessary assistance to Indian nationals involved".

The chief minister of Tamil Nadu, the fishermen's home state, asked the Indian government for an inquiry into the shooting and called for the victims' families to be compensated.

J Jayalalithaa also compared the incident to one in February, when two fishermen from Kerala were killed by Italian naval officers off the south-west coast of India.

"I am pained to inform you that one of the fishermen … died due to shooting by the US naval ship," said Ms Jayalalithaa in a letter to Manmohan Singh, the Indian prime minister.

"I request you to ensure that due compensation is paid to the families of the deceased and injured fishermen."

Leaders of opposition parties in Tamil Nadu, including M Karunanidhi of the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, called for the arrest of those who were responsible for the shooting.

The fishermen involved are from several villages in the district of Ramanathapuram, near the shores of the Bay of Bengal.

In Ramanathapuram, people gathered asking for more news about the injured. One young woman, Rajewari, prayed for her husband, Muthu Muniraj, who left to work in the UAE a month after his wedding.

The fishermen, on contract with a UAE-based shipping company, arrived in Dubai almost a year ago.

Family and friends mourned the passing of the dead fisherman, Sekar, 29, who left for Dubai 10 months ago to work on the ship in order to pay off debts from his sister's marriage, according to a local TV station.

Indian leaders call for inquiry into US navy shooting of fishing boat - The National
 
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Jul 17, 2012

US navy shooting survivors tell of ordeal

Three injured Indian fishermen, Muthu Muniraj, 28, Muthu Kannan, 35, Pandu Sanadhan, 26, were recovering at the Rashid Hospital this morning, a day after the US navy opened fire on their fishing boat 16 kilometres off the Jebel Ali coast.

Mr Muniraj, who was shot on his right leg, said the US navy started firing at them after their boat crossed the USNS Rappahannock and was heading towards the shore.

"We saw the boat from far," said Mr Muniraj, "When we came close, we slowed down to let them pass to avoid any accidents.

Once we crossed them from behind, they started firing at us," he said.

"Usually, we know alarms and sirens are sounded by ships. But there were no warnings," he said.

He was on the boat with five other Indian fishermen and two Emiratis. Sekar, whose full name and exact age is still not known, died immediately. All six Indians belong to the southern Indian state of Tamil Nadu.

"Sekar died as soon as the bullet hit him. The other two men received bullet wounds on their arms and legs."

Mr Muniraj hoped that he would be able to walk again soon.

"They told me that if I can't move my toes, they'll have to amputate. But, thankfully I can lift them a little now." Another bullet had scraped his left leg.

Mr Muniraj, who lives with other fishermen in Jumeirah, came to Dubai eight months ago.

"We usually go to catch fish once every week... My family does not know about this. I came here right after my marriage," said the fisherman. He said all six of them had come to Dubai to work as fishermen around the same time.

Lt Greg Raelson, a spokesman for the US navy's Fifth Fleet in Bahrain, said the crew of the USNS Rappahannock used lethal force after the fishermen disregarded a series of warnings and rapidly approached the US ship.

When those efforts failed to deter the fishing boat, the security team on the ship opened fire with a .50-calibre machine gun, he said.

The US embassy in New Delhi has released a statement today saying: "The Embassy of the United States of America would like to convey its condolences to the families of the crew of a small motor vessel, which came under fire from the USNS Rappahannock on July 16, after the vessel disregarded non-lethal warnings and rapidly approached the US ship. We wish to inform you that the incident is under investigation."

Indian ambassador, MK Lokesh, said his government's main concern was the welfare of the injured men.

"We are in touch with the local authorities. We are monitoring the situation," he said.

Staff from the Indian consulate met with the three victims and promised to assist them.

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Muniraj says the US navy started firing at them after their boat crossed the USNS Rappahannock and was heading towards the shore.

US navy shooting survivors tell of ordeal - The National


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All the above conclude to what Asim said earlier, the men on the Navy ship were trigger happy or maybe the summer heat and moisture of the sea had it's toll on them mentally.
 
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US couldn't beat Vietnam, still has had no success in Afghanistan or Iraq, managed to kill a mass murderer after 10 years even though he was in one of their allies' territory and now are having wet dreams of beating a country far stronger than all 3 combined with the possibility of one of their nuclear allies siding against them?

few things only the experienced people may understand. that is, even if US/EU's economies may fall soon, they won't let the Arabs, then become a power :disagree:. and with our experience, I may may say that US's strategic people know well that invading Iran is next to impossible, this much strength they have. their 12th ranked in Global Fire Power is not because they have too many high tech arms, but because they have developed a credible resistance to any type of aggression. but if we again have a look on this same ranking, its very easy to put troops on the soil of SA/UAE. and also the news we are getting like this, US is attacking on the UAE's boat????? i guess, US/NATO may provoke Iran+Syria+Lebnan to respond and when Iran will have done a level of mess with Arabs, then US will have got enough reason to put troops on the soil of Saudi Arabia/UAE etc, which they will never withdraw........

Global Firepower - 2012 World Military Strength Ranking

US knows that Irani people are ready to defend their countries but the same spirit to die and defend the nation is absent in oil rich Gulf. any opportunity created by military respond by Iran, will then give a license to US/West to take over SA/UAE etc to give them 'security guarantee'. and the time they will have taken over SA+Qatar+UAE etc, no way that they will ever leave this region again :no:, then there will be no fund for Taliban also then onward....... and also the way we are getting news that even Saudi King has been bribed for over $1bil for all these mess in Gulf region, supporting terrorism in Syria, ..... Im very sure that this much gathering of military in Gulf is to take over SA+UAE+Qatar type oil rich nations only, not for Iran. before US's economy may fall and then they will have to decomission their aircraft carriers/naval arms etc similar to how Russia did after fall of SU in early 90s, US would use these ships properly and they are on right track for future benefits in that region......

US sending aircraft carrier to Mideast early
 
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July 19, 2012

The US Navy vessel gave no warning before firing — Dubai Police Commander

Investigation will continue in the incident

Dubai Dubai police are treating as murder the US naval ship shooting of a fishing boat near Jebel Ali port.

Lt Gen Dahi Khalfan Tamim, Commander in chief of Dubai Police, said he believes witness accounts that the US Navy vessel gave no warning before opening fire on the boat in the Gulf on Monday.

Pentagon Press Secretary George Little Wednesday insisted the ship issued several warnings before it fired shots that killed an Indian fisherman, A. Sekar, 29, and injured three others.

Speaking at a press conference in Dubai yesterday, the Dubai Police Chief contradicted these claims. He said: “The fishermen were near Jebel Ali Port when their small vessel was shot by the US navy.

“According to the testimonies of witnesses and those injured, which we believe, the US vessel did not give any warnings for them to turn away.

“When the men saw the large vessel, they immediately turned to the left and tried to get away from the US ship.


“Their boat was not facing the US vessel at the time the rounds were shot,” he explained.

Lt Gen Dahi also confirmed Dubai Police are treating the incident as murder and that the case has been transferred to the Public Prosecution.

He added: “The US ship has moved out and is now in international waters, and the US and other countries are continuing to carry out the investigation.”

Last night Sekar’s family spoke of their grief.

“Sekar talked to us just a few days ago. He said he was fine and that the work conditions were good but stressful in Dubai. We never expected this kind of tragic end to such a vivacious person,” Bhaskar, the brother-in-law of Sekar, told Gulf News from Chennai.

Ten months ago, Sekar had gone to Dubai on a contract in order to be able to repay the family debt. Sekar’s father works in Brunei.

Tamil Nadu Chief Minister J. Jayalalithaa has sought an inquiry into the incident. She announced a relief of Rs500,000 (Dh33,438) for Sekar’s family and Rs50,000 (Dh3,343) each to the families of the injured fishermen.

US defence officials have said the fishing boat, which had four Indians and two Emiratis non board, ignored warnings not to approach the refuelling ship USNS Rappahannock, and that sailors on board the American vessel feared it could pose a threat.

Meanwhile, a Dubai fishing firm manager has told Gulf News he was warned to move on by a US vessel along the same shipping channel earlier this year.

Jon Viney, Manager at Ocean Active that specialises in fishing charters, trips and products in Dubai, said: “It happened about three times.

“When we approached a US vessel along the shipping channel in the Jebel Ali Port, we were given warning horns.

“One of the officials came to the front of the vessel and gave us another warning through hand signals.

“According to guidelines, we aren’t allowed to go near the shipping channel so we turned around straight away.”

Now fishing industry insiders have called for clear guidelines on using the waters.


Jameel Abedin, Managing Director of Dubai-based Go Fishing Tours, said: “While there are guidelines in place in line with coastguard regulations, there has to be better communication regarding any new safety rules. This is especially important for private boat owners who may venture out to sea without updated guidelines.”

gulfnews : The US Navy vessel gave no warning before firing
 
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This has nothing to do with traffic. Here it is again...

US military ship fires on boat in Persian Gulf, killing 1 | GlobalPost

Explain to me how common sense and experience on the seas failed in understanding these gestures.

The victims have said there was no warning and the attack happened really close to the mouth of the Jebel Ali port (one of the busiest in the world).

They should have informed the UAE authorities and they would have dealt with them their own way.

No explosives, nothing were found on them. At the end of the day Americans were wrong to fire on them for the reasons they cite. There has not been a single terrorist incident in the UAE - it would appear that common sense had alluded the American crew here not anyone else.

The US boat didn't even use a siren.

I can barely understand a loud speaker, the voice is so muffled, imagine what would be the case for poor uneducated fishermen seeing a giant boat pass them by.

Note the boat had passed them by without incident, it wasn't like it was approaching and they fired. The boat passed them by the fishing boat was directed towards the shore when it was fired upon from the back.
 
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Interestingly, Lt Gen Dahi also confirmed Dubai Police are treating the incident as murder and that the case has been transferred to the Public Prosecution.

And when Lt Greg Raelson, a spokesman for the US navy’s Fifth Fleet in Bahrain, confirmed the USNS Rappahannock was in UAE waters. He was asked if the UAE police and courts had jurisdiction to try the incident as a crime, Lt Raelson said: “It is UAE waters and that is how we will say it.”

But in the UAE’s case, a defence pact signed with the US on July 25, 1994 could complicate matters. The text of the agreement is classified, but a UAE Congress Report from 2008 suggests the agreement included a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA).

In 1994 after about three years of negotiations the UAE announced it had signed a formal defense cooperation agreement with the U.S. which reportedly provides for joint training and exercises.

But SOFA has been a sensitive issue since early 1996, when the UAE refused a U.S. request to turn over a U.S. sailor involved in a traffic accident in the UAE in which an Emirati national was killed. U.S. military personnel in the Gulf take shore leave during the port calls at Jabal Ali . The dispute over the traffic accident caused the UAE to reopen for negotiation the portion of the defense cooperation agreement dealing with status of forces. After a year of further negotiations, the SOFA issue was reportedly resolved in mid-1997, with an agreement that U.S. personnel who commit minor crimes in the UAE will not be placed under UAE legal jurisdiction. The compromise on SOFA has not yet been tested so far and may be subject to further reinterpretation or renegotiation after this accident.

So let us see how things turn up.
 
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What do you expect the fisherman to say..."yeah, they warned us...but we thought it would be a cool story to tell our friends...so we ignored it"

(still, must have been some sort of mis-communication..)
 
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The victims have said there was no warning and the attack happened really close to the mouth of the Jebel Ali port (one of the busiest in the world).

They should have informed the UAE authorities and they would have dealt with them their own way.

No explosives, nothing were found on them. At the end of the day Americans were wrong to fire on them for the reasons they cite. There has not been a single terrorist incident in the UAE - it would appear that common sense had alluded the American crew here not anyone else.

The US boat didn't even use a siren.

I can barely understand a loud speaker, the voice is so muffled, imagine what would be the case for poor uneducated fishermen seeing a giant boat pass them by.

Note the boat had passed them by without incident, it wasn't like it was approaching and they fired. The boat passed them by the fishing boat was directed towards the shore when it was fired upon from the back.
There were none in Yemen's port either before the USS Cole. There none in NYC against the WTC Towers either before the underground parking lot bomb truck.
 
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