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A wise Indian shouldn't support this bill, because being a neighboring country, that would bring more animosity between two. India should go for direct dialogue with Pakistan and Afghanistan. Just like India doesn't want US intervention in Kashmir problem and want to go for direct dialogue (which is already halted by giving excuses)

If Pakistan is sincere for peace in the region, it should accept the terms of the agreement.

What is wrong in agreeing not to sponsor terrorism ?

If Pakistan refuses it will be an admission of guilt, not if it accepts.
 
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If Pakistan is sincere for peace in the region, it should accept the terms of the agreement.

What is wrong in agreeing not to sponsor terrorism ?

If Pakistan refuses it will be an admission of guilt, not if it accepts.
Cut both ways. Pakistan is democratic country need will and consensus. Majority cases imposing policies backfire . Specially in muslim world, where people love to point fingers at others for their economic failures. Where certain parts of society judge the statement on the basis of religion and motives, it always backfire. Its good gesture from Obama to reach out Muslim world, but its better to reach out with respect, instead with dominating policies.
 
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and how do u see this helpin pakistan??? will it bring any gud name to pakistan??
There are two issues here. My question to AA is if he believes in Pakistan enough to do something for the good of the country despite the fact he may despise its current leader and his acts may resound to that leader's benefit. Is he loyal to the "nation" or merely a man?

The second issue is political, how the act in question - acknowledging Pakistan's role in terrorism - would help Pakistan. On the international stage acknowledging responsibility generally gains one respect, and the assurance to allies that they have some idea what to expect. On the domestic level it elevates the moral level - a subtle, powerful effect that is generally under-rated by those who only transact politics via raw power. Am I being clear?
 
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Hahah... If you think at this time and moment that Pak needs the US more then friend you are surely mistaken. At this point in time, frankly the US need Pakistan much more then Pakistan needs the US.
The Trilateral Confrence will be a dead duck without Pakistan and US plans to come to some sort of agreement with the so called "moderate" Taliban will go down the plug hole. As for those indian's dreaming their lobbying is getting stroger please read this and enlighten yourself:

ISLAMABAD: Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said US has accepted Pakistan’s position on foreign troops as Pakistan won’t allow foreign troops on its soil.

Addressing a joint press conference with Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Richard Holbrooke, special envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, foreign minister said drone attacks also came under discussion during meeting with US officials. We neither get nor give blank cheques. US also acknowledge anti- terror efforts made by Pakistan. Pakistan is defending its borders.

Qureshi said Afghganistan, US and Pakistan will hold talks on May 6-7 in Washington. War against terrorism is not possible without mutual trust. Pakistan is a victim of terrorism and seeking political support from ‘Friends of Pakistan’.

Foreign troops not acceptable: Pak

Read the key word "Pakistan is a victim of terrorism"

Now put that in your pipe and smoke it...

Maybe so since US is unwilling/cannot to go SWAT and FATA, but likewise Pakistan should also stop with the bravado act. All in all the lives that are being affected are no other then Pakistanies. If the US puts contingenacies on the money to Pakistan, who you think that is going affect US or India.

Pakistan needs to look at the situation at hand very carefully, since you want a united Pakistan the only glue right know is United States. No matter how you argue.
 
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Forget this aid. India is the one behind terrorism in Pakistan's western provinces.

Throw the aid at America's face, they placed sanctions on Pakistan in the 90s and Pakistan was doing just fine. Pakistan doesn't need Obama, its more dangerous to be America's friend than to be America's enemy.
 
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The thread of the title is wrong. Its not the US which acknowledges Pakistan as a terrorist state as many Indians would like to put it and are jumping with joy, its just one congress guy on India's pay roll who passed this bill in the congress. If indeed this bill gets accepted which i have my doubts on, then Indians have succeeded and Pakistan has something to worry about however if it doesn't then one more addition in the list of failures India has encountered so far in isolating Pakistan.
 
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The thread of the title is wrong. Its not the US which acknowledges Pakistan as a terrorist state as many Indians would like to put it and are jumping with joy, its just one congress guy on India's pay roll who passed this bill in the congress. If indeed this bill gets accepted which i have my doubts on, then Indians have succeeded and Pakistan has something to worry about however if it doesn't then one more addition in the list of failures India has encountered so far in isolating Pakistan.

U.S. is not the same neutral U.S. anymore, they hate Muslims now.
You dont know how many anti-muslim people are controlling Washington today.
 
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You dont know how many anti-muslim people are controlling Washington today.
Oh, yeah, it's not like the old days when the U.S. bombed Serbia for abusing Muslims, liberated Kuwaitis from Saddam, and protected the Kurds. These are the new days when presidents bow to the Saudi king and help Iraqis eliminate terrorists and create a safe country of democratic values and governance.

So we know exactly how many "anti-muslim people are controlling Washington today." Zero!
 
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Oh, yeah, it's not like the old days when the U.S. bombed Serbia for abusing Muslims, liberated Kuwaitis from Saddam, and protected the Kurds. These are the new days when presidents bow to the Saudi king and help Iraqis eliminate terrorists and create a safe country of democratic values and governance.

So we know exactly how many "anti-muslim people are controlling Washington today." Zero!

Former U.S. president George W. Bush, who was president of U.S. from 2000-2008 called this war a crusade. Do you even know what the crusades were?
U.S. is in war with two Muslim countries, Iraq and Afghanistan, and also has bombed Pakistani territory. The American people are good people but the U.S. government is shady...they can't be trusted. Pakistan should be very careful with U.S., the aid is not worth it if U.S. demands something from Pakistan that goes against Pakistan's interst.
 
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Former U.S. president George W. Bush, who was president of U.S. from 2000-2008 called this war a crusade. Do you even know what the crusades were?
That's just one quote from a man who was known for his malapropisms long before he entered office. GWB employed the word in the secular sense of a long war, not the religious one of Christian conflict to defeat Islam.

U.S. is in war with two Muslim countries, Iraq and Afghanistan, and also has bombed Pakistani territory.
U.S. armed forces have gone to war in those countries. That doesn't mean the U.S. is in war with them. The distinction is between the territory where conflict occurs and the people who are its citizens. (But if its any comfort to you, I debated this with Noam Chomsky decades ago and he took your side of the argument.)

The American people are good people but the U.S. government is shady...they can't be trusted.
Is there really another Great Power which has been more accountable to its allies and the world than the U.S.A.?

the aid is not worth it if U.S. demands something from Pakistan that goes against Pakistan's interst.
Don't be so sure. All choices available may go "against Pakistan's interst", so it will be the job of Pakistan's leaders to choose the course they deem least evil.
 
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This is the Best thing to have ever happened in the History of the asian continent. It is such a pleasant suprise. Wow. The govt of India is doing a good job iin getting the world community to make Pakistan accountable for its actions. And what better way than having the US doing it for us. Bravo!!! Excellent.. Way to go.
If it happens, then there'll be a wider public anger in Pakistan. If you think the protest on restortion of the judges were big, wait till you see the protests if Zardari makes the mistake. The people in Pakistan will get rid of Zardari themselves.

Pakistani people will never let India's wet dream come true.
 
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That's just one quote from a man who was known for his malapropisms long before he entered office. GWB employed the word in the secular sense of a long war, not the religious one of Christian conflict to defeat Islam.
He was elected president of USA twice and brought this war on terror on our region. Do you expect the world to not take his comments seriously?

U.S. armed forces have gone to war in those countries. That doesn't mean the U.S. is in war with them. The distinction is between the territory where conflict occurs and the people who are its citizens. (But if its any comfort to you, I debated this with Noam Chomsky decades ago and he took your side of the argument.)
Most people belonging to those countries see Americans as invaders and I wouldn't blame them.


Is there really another Great Power which has been more accountable to its allies and the world than the U.S.A.?
Pakistan has suffered the most because of this war on terror. U.S. says its an ally of Pakistan but then comes up with ideas like this article suggests. Some ally!

Don't be so sure. All choices available may go "against Pakistan's interst", so it will be the job of Pakistan's leaders to choose the course they deem least evil.
Pakistan is a nation and like any nation it must put its own interst first. Who made the US the boss of the world? Pakistan was doing far better before this war on terror, and the Pakistani people are suffering the most today because Pakistan's government chose to side with U.S. Enough of that, now Pakistan has to forget about some so called "allys" and look after its own intersts.
 
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Well if the people dont allow Zardari to sign the agreement. Then you might lose aid, and then the same people will go hungry and starve and then sign the agreement. So u anyways will have to sign it:victory:

Dont you remember when Pakistan tested its nukes in 1998 after India became a nuclear state, the US placed sanctions on Pakistan. If Pakistanis survived through that, then Pakistan can survive in 2009 without U.S. aid.

Pakistani people are willing to do ANYTHING so India's wet dreams dont come true.
 
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Agreed.If They indeed supported Mumbai attacks then yes (which by the way has no proof that ISI or the Army supported) but regarding Kabul Embassay Attack and Kashmir Problem that cannot be considered terrorism..it's more like proxy war.

Attacking another nations Embassy is more than terrorism it's an Act of War by established precedent enshrined in international law for centuries. I always wondered what we did to get the Indians to back down after the Kabul attack myself, it had to be something huge.

Either way that's the last thing you would want your Government or Agencies to own up to. This rider will not pass. Obama just has to whisper his magic and that Dem will bow down.
 
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