US, Russia vie to sell choppers to IAF

[Break the Silence]

Not necessarily, these helicopters have to be used in various regions all over India, so life trials could find out weak points that are not mentioned in presentations, or simulators.
Not to mention that it is an advantage for us, if the vendors has to underprice eachother to get the deal.




It is, here a IAF Mi 26 that lifts an Mi 17:

Thank you Mr. Sancho once again for clearing doubts of fellow members!!

 

[jha]

BTW isn't 15 a very small no. to procure...since old Mi-26 will be retiring so dont we need more..?

 

[Dash]

Not necessarily, these helicopters have to be used in various regions all over India, so life trials could find out weak points that are not mentioned in presentations, or simulators.
Not to mention that it is an advantage for us, if the vendors has to underprice eachother to get the deal.




It is, here a IAF Mi 26 that lifts an Mi 17:

No Sancho -

What iam saying is evaluation is important. BUt why need a process of RFI and RFP for that?, I mean look at business deals, You can evaluate a product without even going into a competition.

You didnt send a RFP for C17, but you still evaluated it right, the caviet is u went through FMS.

We are already familiar with Mi26, we just need to know what Chinnok can offer. The main thing is that you can save time.

You will agree with me that, allowing so many competitors in MRCA also was a bad idea. what was Mig 35 needed for?, why did you even look at F-16, what just to taste it?.
Didnt you test F-16s in Garuda?, We all know they wont buy its and it looks like a farse....IAF already used Midas refuelrs but they sent RFP for Midas and MRTT, so many miscalculations, finally cancelled the deal.


You are talking about 5 years now when do u think MRCA will be inducted? If you know AESA is the main criteria for MRCA then dont you know that Eurofighter will not get it before 2015?.....

I hail the plan and the planners...

 

[sancho]

No Sancho -

What iam saying is evaluation is important. BUt why need a process of RFI and RFP for that?, I mean look at business deals, You can evaluate a product without even going into a competition.

You didnt send a RFP for C17, but you still evaluated it right, the caviet is u went through FMS.

We are already familiar with Mi26, we just need to know what Chinnok can offer. The main thing is that you can save time.

You will agree with me that, allowing so many competitors in MRCA also was a bad idea. what was Mig 35 needed for?, why did you even look at F-16, what just to taste it?.
Didnt you test F-16s in Garuda?, We all know they wont buy its and it looks like a farse....IAF already used Midas refuelrs but they sent RFP for Midas and MRTT, so many miscalculations, finally cancelled the deal.


You are talking about 5 years now when do u think MRCA will be inducted? If you know AESA is the main criteria for MRCA then dont you know that Eurofighter will not get it before 2015?.....

I hail the plan and the planners...

If I'm not wrong we send an RFI for the C17 to Boeing too, now we evaluate them and I guss will request for a proposal too. The only differance in this deal is, there are no competitiors and as I said, that's a disadvantage for us. If it fullfil our requirements, they know we want it and they also know we have no other options, so they can increase the price. In a competition instead, where we have different options that fullfil the requirements, we have the advantage on our side! Just like in the MMRCA, we can shortlist 3 - 4 of them and the vendors have to offer us the best they can.
I agree, that all needs time, but especially at such costly arms and techs, it is useful imo.

Regarding F16 and Mig 35, those were already in the initial MRCA competition, so they must be involved in the follow competition too.

Regarding the helicopter competition, AFAIK the CH 53 is also on offer and to my understanding even the better choice for the heavy lift role, to replace Mi 26 in IAF.

 

[Dash]

If I'm not wrong we send an RFI for the C17 to Boeing too, now we evaluate them and I guss will request for a proposal too. The only differance in this deal is, there are no competitiors and as I said, that's a disadvantage for us. If it fullfil our requirements, they know we want it and they also know we have no other options, so they can increase the price. In a competition instead, where we have different options that fullfil the requirements, we have the advantage on our side! Just like in the MMRCA, we can shortlist 3 - 4 of them and the vendors have to offer us the best they can.
I agree, that all needs time, but especially at such costly arms and techs, it is useful imo.

Regarding F16 and Mig 35, those were already in the initial MRCA competition, so they must be involved in the follow competition too.

Regarding the helicopter competition, AFAIK the CH 53 is also on offer and to my understanding even the better choice for the heavy lift role, to replace Mi 26 in IAF.

No Problem Sancho, I will not debate on this
I have no issues with these competitions. What iam saying is that we are doing a lot non value add and unnecessary thing, where we can cut time.

I will always say, there is a lack of far sight in these military planners.

 

[ptldM3]

 

[soaringphnx]

In my opinion we should go for the apache long bow for attack and go for Mi-26 for heavy lift as each of the above mentioned choppers dominates the other contender in its respective category.

My thoughts exactly!

 

[praveen007]

We should by mi-26 for transport and apache-64d for attake. hope this decision might be taken.

 

[d14gtc]

Can we ve a look of new Mi - 26 .