US relocating Daesh to Afghanistan to justify military presence in region: Leader

[Ocean]

you can keep your shameless arse culture with you. secondly you should be thankful to british education system for making you a graduate otherwise you would be ploughing field today somewhere in the indus riverbasin and feeding your cattle.

LMAO is that all u got after ranting in ur half hour long posts.

And what british? Firstly there were some baby -lonians , lmao now from somewhere have arrived britains? Like education was never a part of subcontinent before brits arrived.

How thick u can get and this country you are sitting in where u are hoping around like a monkey singing praises to fanatical iranian mullahs was actual formed after relentless struggles of a britain educated Jinnah.

Firsly he chose to mock some babylonians, when given a reality check abt my eth icity he is insulting indus people, so like who exactly are you? Whats ur ethnicity are you oersian background person unfortunately feeding off pakistani soil? Then eff off back to the hole u mograted from to our indus lands. We punjabis and kashmiris if you need will assist to send ur crying arse back to iran.

Lmao and he is telling us we are not true muslims . Lmao yeah right i may or may not be but idont go around telling people whether they should be called muslims or not whether they are shias, sufis sunnis or wahabis.

And even if i were an uneducated oerson ploughing fields along the indus river i would have happily done it cause idont feel any shame in being uneducated , our prophet didnt know how to read and write , he used to rear goats and here hes telling me to be being ashamed of farming fields.

If it werent for these land farmers anywhere, there would exist no economies in the world.

 

[Gim Foxhound]

5 muslim countries have been totally destroyed....

Ukraine is destroyed too, however is it a muslim country ? During the 80's Nicaragua, El Savaldor, were destroyed, because US considered this area as its backyard, then are they muslim countries ? In the 90's ex-Yougoslavia where there are muslim. US tried to destroy Russia too, but they failed. Iran is still in blockade by West, however implemented with zeal by your neighbors. Isn't it ? The worst ennemy of -as U call- muslim countries aren't muslim leaders ? Is Saudi Arabia so innoncent in Syria, Palestinian, Yemen tragedy ? The cruel blockade of Gaza is implemented by Egypt. Isn't it ? etc...
The worst lethal ennemy of Iran Saudi Arabia. The problem of this world could not be reduced only by religion. U have an empire that want to stay empire, in order to survive they must eliminate all what they considered as a threat. Iran by its system, iranian people's culture, mentality is a threat for this empire. But against an unit people, US could do nothing.

 

[B@KH]

You keep on repeating the rhetorical statements without actually understanding the difference between capability and rhetoric. I guess this is the art you learned from your Persian Mullahs you like to follow religiously?

Yes the Zionists see Muslims as enemy, they can take on Muslims without much problem but when it comes to Pakistan, they know their limitations. Hence that why we see the use of Zionists controlled America to put pressure on Pakistan and threaten it, all done via America. That is why we have seen so much foreign sponsored terrorism in Pakistan since the fall of Afghanistan, with the aim of destabilising it and finally make it crumble from within so it cannot be of any threat to Israel.

Nukes are the game changer. Even the staunchest and rabid, Muslim hating Zionist will not want to be on receiving end of a nuke exchange as losing the only Jewish state and not be able to habitat the land for next few hundred years is too much to handle. They don't fear Iran or anyone else for that matter.

you are dreaming like a kid. this is all non-sense. how many missiles fired by saddam on israel and saudi inflicted destruction. many even could not explode despite hitting the targets. you are not designed against Israel. it is only your good feelings and wishes which all muslims have. First mobilize people against Israel to achieve a capability to deal Israel. Rest assure america is not here to destroy our military that is allied to ksa and china. they are here to destroy people using Daesh. military is not a thing that can be destroyed by gangs like daesh.

Lastly Iran's and allies rhetoric has always been defensive. The element is Resistance and is a clear proof of defence rhetoric. IRan is very successful in defence and protecting its allies and foiling enemy moves.

so do not think like fanboys that you can fire a missile and can turn the enemy land into an uninhabitable habitat. while it is Palestine which is muslim land occupied by enemy.

if your rhetoric would have any worth all the generals would be sleeping and taking rest in calm. just press button and finish the job. Lol. things do not work this way.

LMAO is that all u got after ranting in ur half hour long posts.
And what british? Firstly there were some baby -lonians , lmao now from somewhere have arrived britains? Like education was never a part of subcontinent before brits arrived.
How thick u can get and this country you are sitting in where u are hoping around like a monkey singing praises to fanatical iranian mullahs was actual formed after relentless struggles of a britain educated Jinnah.
Firsly he chose to mock some babylonians, when given a reality check abt my eth icity he is insulting indus people, so like who exactly are you? Whats ur ethnicity are you oersian background person unfortunately feeding off pakistani soil? Then eff off back to the hole u mograted from to our indus lands. We punjabis and kashmiris if you need will assist to send ur crying arse back to iran.
Lmao and he is telling us we are not true muslims . Lmao yeah right i may or may not be but idont go around telling people whether they should be called muslims or not whether they are shias, sufis sunnis or wahabis.
And even if i were an uneducated oerson ploughing fields along the indus river i would have happily done it cause idont feel any shame in being uneducated , our prophet didnt know how to read and write , he used to rear goats and here hes telling me to be being ashamed of farming fields.
If it werent for these land farmers anywhere, there would exist no economies in the world.

if you do not have any shame for being uneducated and you feel proud for being uneducated. it is not my problem.

but please spare the prophet pbuh. as per book, After God, Our Prophet pbuh is has the most knowledge and his title is "City of Knowledge". Even his tribe of Bani Hashim was the most respectable, most resourceful and all educated. The founder of modern science is the pious household of the prophet.
end of discussion.

 

[Tokhme khar]

These guys can't touch Iran, no matter what they try. The only way they succeed is when they infiltrate is via some sectarian, ethnic or religious issue. Iran knows their game, and it has prepared to defeat these Zionists. So far Iran is winning. Lets hope both Russia and China continue to back Iran in its quest for justice and peace.

Ukraine is destroyed too, however is it a muslim country ? During the 80's Nicaragua, El Savaldor, were destroyed, because US considered this area as its backyard, then are they muslim countries ? In the 90's ex-Yougoslavia where there are muslim. US tried to destroy Russia too, but they failed. Iran is still in blockade by West, however implemented with zeal by your neighbors. Isn't it ? The worst ennemy of -as U call- muslim countries aren't muslim leaders ? Is Saudi Arabia so innoncent in Syria, Palestinian, Yemen tragedy ? The cruel blockade of Gaza is implemented by Egypt. Isn't it ? etc...
The worst lethal ennemy of Iran Saudi Arabia. The problem of this world could not be reduced only by religion. U have an empire that want to stay empire, in order to survive they must eliminate all what they considered as a threat. Iran by its system, iranian people's culture, mentality is a threat for this empire. But against an unit people, US could do nothing.

 

[Gim Foxhound]

These guys can't touch Iran, no matter what they try....So far Iran is winning. Lets hope both Russia and China continue to back Iran in its quest for justice and peace.

I know that Iran is enough resilient and strong to resist and to overcome. But I mean that Saudi Arabia and Jordan' Kings were always among the worst ennemy of Iran, maybe as Israel, or worst than zionist. During the Shah's era, they were close ally of Iran, and the worst ennemy of Gamal abdul Nasser, and Syria, Iraq's governement. Once they felt Saddam Hussayn could be their ally, they encourage him in the long war with Iran. Once US declared Saddam as ennemy, they turned back against him. And now they are focussed on Iran. The worst 'shit' of the Middle East is more than never the Saudi's Kingdom.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

you are dreaming like a kid. this is all non-sense. how many missiles fired by saddam on israel and saudi inflicted destruction. many even could not explode despite hitting the targets. you are not designed against Israel. it is only your good feelings and wishes which all muslims have. First mobilize people against Israel to achieve a capability to deal Israel. Rest assure america is not here to destroy our military that is allied to ksa and china. they are here to destroy people using Daesh. military is not a thing that can be destroyed by gangs like daesh.

Lastly Iran's and allies rhetoric has always been defensive. The element is Resistance and is a clear proof of defence rhetoric. IRan is very successful in defence and protecting its allies and foiling enemy moves.

so do not think like fanboys that you can fire a missile and can turn the enemy land into an uninhabitable habitat. while it is Palestine which is muslim land occupied by enemy.

if your rhetoric would have any worth all the generals would be sleeping and taking rest in calm. just press button and finish the job. Lol. things do not work this way.

How old are you kid?

Do you understand the difference between Sadam and Iran tin pot Armies and missiles? Do you understand the difference between a nuclear armed ballistic missiles to tin pot conventional missiles which Saddam possed and Iran now do?

PAKISTAN is a world fourth biggest nuke power, even to compare to lousy forces of Saddam and Iran is disgrace.

Your thick head will not understand the basic concept. From Israel prospective, Iran doesn't have capability to destroy it, only PAKISTAN has. If this basic fundamental logic is going through your head, then I cant really help educate you.

 

[The Eagle]

Stay on topic and continue your discussion w.r.t. subject in hand while avoiding personal attacks.

Thanks.

 

[B@KH]

How old are you kid?

Do you understand the difference between Sadam and Iran tin pot Armies and missiles? Do you understand the difference between a nuclear armed ballistic missiles to tin pot conventional missiles which Saddam possed and Iran now do?

PAKISTAN is a world fourth biggest nuke power, even to compare to lousy forces of Saddam and Iran is disgrace.

Your thick head will not understand the basic concept. From Israel prospective, Iran doesn't have capability to destroy it, only PAKISTAN has. If this basic fundamental logic is going through your head, then I cant really help educate you.

Lol. Afghanistan will remain headache for tin min geniuses. it badly affected tin mins since the past 3 decades and tin mins unable to get rid off.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Lol. Afghanistan will remain headache for tin min geniuses. it badly affected tin mins since the past 3 decades and tin mins unable to get rid off.

Right. I tried my best but cant make any sense of what your wrote and how it relates to what I was telling you.

 

[B@KH]

Right. I tried my best but cant make any sense of what your wrote and how it relates to what I was telling you.

Yaar, infact your theory of capability is based on nukes which is against the spirit and infact miscalculation.
if you say that our 200 millions people unitedly are more dangerous than nukes and more powerful than Iran then it makes some sense.
No doubt United Muslims have capability to deal Israel with or without nukes. there is no argument in it.
I can't rely on nukes to claim deterrent because مومن ہے تو بےتیغ بھی لڑتا ہے سپاہی
some think secretly develop weapons and suddenly come out and take over the world are fools like satan who failed in the end despite taking over the world.
My view of capability is Not based on inventory of gun power and nukes. Capability is directly related to the Spirit of people + Love for God + Nation's Readiness that makes you invincible.
So considering capability based on inventory of gun powder and nukes is a miscalculation which usa and allies doing. superpowers rome and persia were not brought down by the state of art militaries.
practical steps are required against israel rather than silent rhetoric. Only Iran and allies have shown successful resistance to Israel that led to its shrinking. rest there are no practical steps by any other country.
so one nuke will finish israel and 1000 nukes us. this is due to size. wars are not fought like this.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Yaar, infact your theory of capability is based on nukes which is against the spirit and infact miscalculation.
if you say that our 200 millions people unitedly are more dangerous than nukes and more powerful than Iran then it makes some sense.
No doubt United Muslims have capability to deal Israel with or without nukes. there is no argument in it.
I can't rely on nukes to claim deterrent because مومن ہے تو بےتیغ بھی لڑتا ہے سپاہی
some think secretly develop weapons and suddenly come out and take over the world are fools like satan who failed in the end despite taking over the world.
My view of capability is Not based on inventory of gun power and nukes. Capability is directly related to the Spirit of people + Love for God + Nation's Readiness that makes you invincible.
So considering capability based on inventory of gun powder and nukes is a miscalculation which usa and allies doing. superpowers rome and persia were not brought down by the state of art militaries.
practical steps are required against israel rather than silent rhetoric. Only Iran and allies have shown successful resistance to Israel that led to its shrinking. rest there are no practical steps by any other country.
so one nuke will finish israel and 1000 nukes us. this is due to size. wars are not fought like this.

This is what was said in the Pakistan senate today:

https://www.dawn.com/news/1389523/india-restricting-space-for-peace-lobby-senate-told


“Pakistan’s perception of threat from India is not reflex; it is based upon a thorough assessment of Indian capacity to threaten Pakistan’s military from an unprecedented forward position,” he maintained and reminded that “the threat is calculated on capacity, not intent”.


Logic is simple and universal and implies between all nations.

 

[Ray-of-Hope]

5 muslim countries have been totally destroyed. The assault on Islam continues on.

The U.S. is targeting Iran since 1979, relentlessly. Iran will fight on, and will not submit!

This is why I respect Iran so much. If they had wanted to, they could have pumped up money into their country through "democratic" countries, only to be destroyed like Iraq, Syria, etc did. The Islamic revolution was probably the best thing happening to that land, because ever since Iran has been chosing dignity over materialism: something 99% of Muslim majority countries are incapable of.

 

[Tokhme khar]

It took Iran a decade or so to evict the US from Iraq. Patiently and methodically Iran played its cards. Today Iraq is a very friendly regime to Iran. The same policy Iran implemented in Lebanon, where the Shia Muslims formed a minority. Once again, it has paid off and now Iran is the only power in Lebanon. 2012 in Syria the west decided to introduce ISIS and a myriad of other terrorists, in order to counter Iran, so far it has taken Iran from 2012 until now to recapture 90% of Syria back from these Zionists. The policy yet again has worked. Only a matter of time before the US is forced out, due to Iran's successful policy. In all this big power politics and combat with regional proxies, Iran has never needed nukes, as it's widely acknowledged now that you don't need them, since they can't be used (no matter how dire the circumstances). It is childish to assume otherwise. Yemen and Afghanistan are good examples as the most destitute nations, fighting back against foreign invasions, where the aggressor could easily use nukes to end it, but helplessly cannot! Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and soon Yemen are now the standard bearers of Iran's revolution. Iran will turn its attention east when the Russia/ China/ Iran troika decide its time for the US to go home.

This is why I respect Iran so much. If they had wanted to, they could have pumped up money into their country through "democratic" countries, only to be destroyed like Iraq, Syria, etc did. The Islamic revolution was probably the best thing happening to that land, because ever since Iran has been chosing dignity over materialism: something 99% of Muslim majority countries are incapable of.

 

[mangekyo]

This is why I respect Iran so much. If they had wanted to, they could have pumped up money into their country through "democratic" countries, only to be destroyed like Iraq, Syria, etc did. The Islamic revolution was probably the best thing happening to that land, because ever since Iran has been chosing dignity over materialism: something 99% of Muslim majority countries are incapable of.

US and Britain were allies of the Shah when Iran was weak and dependent on the west. When Iran became more and more independent and prospered, the Shah started to slowly distance Iran from western influence. Ofcourse Pro-regime people will tell you that Shah was a puppet, but he was not. If you have the time look at this video, I think it covers the entire shah era in one short video.

this is more detailed

and this 10 second video

I believe US and Britain helped Khomeini into power, but of course the mullahs witnsessng that US betrayed their once most important ally, knew they never trust US and Britain.

 

[Tokhme khar]

Kirzai spilling the beans.


US in Afghanistan because its main rivals are in neighborhood: Karzai
Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:07PM

Former Afghan President Hamid Karzai (Photo by AP)


The United States is not in Afghanistan to defeat the Taliban but because America’s main rivals like China, Russia and Iran are in the neighborhood, former Afghan President Hamid Karzai says.

Karzai, 60, made the remarks in an interview with The Washington Post’s Pamela Constable who’s the newspaper’s bureau chief in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The interview was published on February 14, Wednesday.

“The United States is not here to go to a party,” Karzai said. “There is no need for them to build so many bases just to defeat a few Taliban. They are here because all the great American rivals are in the neighborhood, and we happen to be here, too. They are welcome to stay but not to deceive us.”

The United States -- under Republican George W. Bush’s presidency -- and its allies invaded Afghanistan on October 7, 2001 as part of Washington’s so-called war on terror. The offensive removed the Taliban regime from power, but after more than 16 years, the foreign troops are still deployed to the country.

After becoming the president in 2008, President Barack Obama, a Democrat, vowed to end the Afghan war -- one of the longest conflicts in US history – but he failed to keep his promise.

Trump, who has spoken against the Afghan war, has dubbed the 2001 invasion and following occupation of Afghanistan as "Obama's war".

But Trump has also announced to deploy thousands of more troops to the war-torn country, signaling a policy shift.

Taliban militants and Daesh terrorists have increased their attacks against foreign troops and other Westerners residing in Afghanistan but often end up killing more Afghans than the foreigners occupying the country.

“Too many Afghans are dying for an uncertain future,” said the former Afghan president. “We are too small and poor to ask the US to stop, but we are a country, and our interests must be respected.”

Karzai has previously accused the US of colluding with Daesh in Afghanistan and allowing the terrorist group to flourish in the war-stricken country in order to justify its presence.

Back in 2014, the US-led occupying forces in Afghanistan officially announced the end of their combat operations in the country, saying they now had a mission to “train, advise, and assist” Afghan troops.

However, the Trump administration last year permitted the deployment of an additional 3,000 troops to Afghanistan, where the US already has 11,000 forces.


PressTV-‘Occupation of Afghanistan real intent of US policy’
An American scholar says an open-ended occupation of Afghanistan by the US and its proxies is the real intent of American policy.
Karzai, who became Afghanistan’s first president under an agreement largely negotiated by Western countries after the US-led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, refused to sign an agreement allowing US military bases to remain in the country before leaving in 2014. Karzai’s successor, Ashraf Ghani, signed the agreement immediately after he assumed the presidency.

Karzai has suggested an alternative political path forward, proposing a loya jirga, or traditional gathering for debate and decision to resolve problems.

“I know the Americans are worried that a jirga will ask them to leave and ask me to return, but I have no desire to return,” Karzai said in the interview. “Today, things are going so badly that we need to go back to the people. The United States has no need to fear us, but America’s behavior is damaging us, and our belief in the democratic values of the West is being shattered. Why do they want to see us weak and unstable?”

He told The Washington Post's correspondent that he had been “brutally frank” with American officials during his presidency, saying that it was his patriotic duty at the time.

“I am not anti-American,” Karzai said. “I oppose a lot of US policies, but I remain an ally. If the Americans act honorably, they will find us very accommodating.”

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/...n-because-its-main-rivals-are-in-neighborhood