US Politics

[VCheng]

Depends....with so much coverage and so much at stake...many are probably lying through their teeth then again to each their own opinion about the dead! RIP!

One has to admit, the sober grandeur of the ceremonies is quite effectively impressive.

 

[Dubious]

One has to admit, the sober grandeur of the ceremonies is quite effectively impressive.

Depends on how quick you get impressed about dead man's "ceremony"

 

[VCheng]

Depends on how quick you get impressed about dead man's "ceremony"

Well, he is just lying in state. The ceremonies are being performed by a nation grateful for his service to the country that he led.

 

[Dubious]

Well, he is just lying in state. The ceremonies are being performed by a nation grateful for his service to the country that he led.

Same nation also elected Trump...so we can expect anything from them

 

[VCheng]

Same nation also elected Trump...so we can expect anything from them

That nation, which everyone love to hate here, can, and do, elect Presidents for themselves, who are duty-bound to serve the American people, and not anyone else. A useful point to keep in mind, methinks.

 

[Dubious]

That nation, which everyone love to hate here, can, and do, elect Presidents for themselves, who are duty-bound to serve the American people, and not anyone else. A useful point to keep in mind, methinks.

Oh, no one doubted their ability to vote...Was just reminding you of the result of that ability

 

[VCheng]

Oh, no one doubted their ability to vote...Was just reminding you of the result of that ability

And I merely reiterated that their ability to vote applies only to their own government that serves the Americans, first and foremost, not the rest of the world.

 

[Dubious]

And I merely reiterated that their ability to vote applies only to their own government that serves the Americans, first and foremost, not the rest of the world.

I never brought the world in ...after all it is a US politics thread in the American section

 

[VCheng]

I never brought the world in ...after all it is a US politics thread in the American section

Oh so declaring him a war criminal due to international issues does not count here!

 

[Dubious]

Oh so declaring him a war criminal due to international issues does not count here!

Well what stays in America doesnt count like them voting but what is international does matter to international community and they have every right to declare him a criminal

 

[VCheng]

Well what stays in America doesnt count like them voting but what is international does matter to international community and they have every right to declare him a criminal

They have every right to hold an opinion, but such declarations are meaningless without any legal enforcement, that is all I can say here. The same hold true for Americans too.

 

[Solomon2]

Trump calls memorial for George H.W. Bush 'a day of celebration for a great man'


President Donald Trump salutes alongside first lady Melania Trump in front of the flag-draped casket of former President George H.W. Bush in the Capitol Rotunda in Washington, Monday, Dec. 3, 2018. (AP Photo/Patrick Semansky)
Dave Boyer - The Washington Times - Updated: 9:45 a.m. on Wednesday, December 5, 2018

President Trump isn’t speaking at the memorial service for the late President George H.W. Bush, but he’s tweeting about it.

“This is not a funeral, this is a day of celebration for a great man who has led a long and distinguished life. He will be missed!” Mr. Trump said on Twitter, adding that he is “looking forward to being with the Bush family.”

The president and first lady Melania Trump are attending the service at the Washington National Cathedral for Mr. Bush, who died Friday at age 94. Among those delivering eulogies is his son, former President George W. Bush.

 

[Cobra Arbok]

HUGE losses for Democrats in Georgia. Republicans won the race for secretary of Sate and Public Service Commission. The thing is Brian Kemp is no longer SOS, so Dems can't blame voter suppression. Looks like the dems' plan to steal the 2020 elections in Georgia has been foiled.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republ...noff-election-for-georgia-secretary-of-state/
https://www.11alive.com/article/new...n-race/85-5af47542-9e0d-4376-8541-1f11b18f37b
@Nilgiri @Desert Fox @OsmanAli98 @RabzonKhan @nathanbob

 

[Nilgiri]

HUGE losses for Democrats in Georgia. Republicans won the race for secretary of Sate and Public Service Commission. The thing is Brian Kemp is no longer SOS, so Dems can't blame voter suppression. Looks like the dems' plan to steal the 2020 elections in Georgia has been foiled.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republ...noff-election-for-georgia-secretary-of-state/
https://www.11alive.com/article/new...n-race/85-5af47542-9e0d-4376-8541-1f11b18f37b
@Nilgiri @Desert Fox @OsmanAli98 @RabzonKhan @nathanbob

I didn't know about this vote harvesting issue in cali that is new this year either @OsmanAli98 :

 

[RabzonKhan]

Senate measure holds Saudi Crown Prince accountable for killing of Jamal Khashoggi

WASHINGTON – U.S. Senators Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina), Dianne Feinstein (D-California), Marco Rubio (R-Florida), Ed Markey (D-Massachusetts), Todd Young (R-Indiana) and Chris Coons (D-Delaware) today introduced a Senate Resolution that holds Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia Mohammed bin Salman accountable for contributing to the humanitarian crisis in Yemen, the blockade of Qatar, the jailing of political dissidents within Saudi Arabia, the use of force to intimidate rivals, and the abhorrent and unjustified killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

“I believe it’s vitally important to U.S. national security interests to make a definitive statement about the brutal murder of an American resident – Mr. Khashoggi – who has three American citizen children,” said Senator Graham. “This resolution – without equivocation – definitively states that the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia was complicit in the murder of Mr. Khashoggi and has been a wrecking ball to the region jeopardizing our national security interests on multiple fronts. It will be up to Saudi Arabia as to how to deal with this matter. But it is up to the United States to firmly stand for who we are and what we believe.”

“The world is entitled to know all the perpetrators of this terrible murder, and they must be held accountable. President Trump’s willingness to ignore the crown prince’s role in the killing of journalist Jamal Khashoggi is unacceptable,” said Senator Feinstein. “Our resolution corrects that by condemning the crown prince’s actions and stating he should be held responsible for this murder, the blockade in Qatar and for human rights abuses in the Saudi Arabia and Yemen.”

“Our values as Americans must be central to our foreign policy. Saudi Arabia is an important ally but not an ally at any cost. There is no doubt that Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman knew about the murder of Saudi journalist Jamal Khashoggi, condoned it, and at worst was actually involved in directing it,” Rubio said. “The U.S. must demand accountability and press for the release of all Saudi political prisoners, including blogger Raif Badawi and women’s rights activists.”

“Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman is not the reformer he pretends to be. He is a thug and under his rule, the Kingdom has cracked down forcefully on dissent, taken aggressive actions against neighbors like Lebanon and Qatar that have destabilized the region, created an unprecedented humanitarian crisis through its brutal war in Yemen, and decided it may commit extraterritorial killings with impunity,” said Senator Markey. “Saudi Arabia is heading in the wrong direction, and the benefits of our relationship with the Kingdom are quickly being outweighed by Mohammad bin Salman’s blatant disregard for fundamental freedoms and international norms. It is time to re-think our relationship with Saudi Arabia, and President Trump must make publicly clear that the United States will not tolerate this behavior by anyone, even our so-called friends. This resolution would ensure that the United States Senate is on the record as condemning the Crown Prince’s murdering of an American journalist and that we will not tolerate the actions of a regime that violates basic human rights and freedoms.”

“The failure over the last year and half to utilize all available U.S. leverage with respect to Saudi Arabia’s actions in Yemen has left the Crown Prince with the mistaken impression that the United States will turn a blind eye to his increasingly brazen atrocities. Those who suggest we must sacrifice our principles for security will have neither,” said Senator Young.

“The United States Senate should speak in a clear, bipartisan voice to say that we will not tolerate the kinds of egregious human rights violations we’ve seen from Saudi leadership and, in particular, from Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman,” said Senator Coons. “The world has long looked to the United States to lead on human rights, and this is an important moment to show that we will not compromise our core values.”

The Graham-Feinstein-Rubio-Markey-Young-Coons Resolution:

• condemns in the strongest possible terms the murder of Jamal Khashoggi;
• finds that as Crown Prince, Mohammed bin Salman was in control of the security forces at the time of Jamal Khashoggi’s murder;
• based on evidence and analysis made available to this institution, the Senate has a high level of confidence that Mohammed bin Salman was complicit in the murder of Jamal Khashoggi;
• urges the United States Government and the international community to hold all parties, including Mohammed bin Salman, involved in the murder of Jamal Khashoggi accountable;
• calls on the Government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia to negotiate directly with representatives of the Houthi movement in order to end the war in Yemen, agree on a political resolution, reverse the humanitarian crisis, and refocus efforts on defeating al Qaeda and ISIS in Yemen;

Full text of the resolution is here

So why is Trump defending the murderer?

Could it be because: