US-Pakistan relations CLEARING!

[Goritoes]

Slave Master relationship, Pakistani's like been slaves.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

Thing about Israel is that Arabs take Pakistan for granted.

If Arabs prefer India over Pakistan we too should open diplomatic relations with Israel.

No it's not about sticking it to Arabs. It's about standing for our own interests and what our Elders (Jinnah, Iqbal & others) taught us.

Arab population doesn't stand with india and they do openly take a stand against india. We even saw it today how they protested against india forcing their govts to take action.

 

[khansaheeb]

Probably finalization of US/NATO bases in Pakistan..

Drone attacks, Shamsi airbase..

Drone attacks on who and what?

 

[Silverblaze]

Pak establishment has always benefitted from US involvement in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

They want the same thing to continue. No reforms but foreign aid. The problem is Pakistan will never be a self reliant economy and state overall like this.

Always relying on US support will not allow Pakistan to grow organically. US wants Pakistan to be subservient to india now may be the ruling elite has accepted this.

 

[Corruptistan]

Well it was a suggestion and something we could experiment with.

If you disagree with it fine.

Or give preference to China in everything.

Yes Pakistan First!

I disagree with putting all of our eggs in one basket. No sane nation state should have such a policy. As I wrote China does not limit itself to equals (USA) but trades and tries to have cordial ties with all powers and countries of the world as long as it is in their interests.

Take a look at our geographical location. There is nothing that should prevent us from trying to benefit from China, USA and Russia at the same time whenever possible.

Anyway economics is everything. This is what is truly holding us back. A strong nation state is not only limited to a strong military and nukes.

 

[TigerOfMysore]

Ruling class of Pakistan will never let that happen.

I have always said - the entrenchment of US aligned establishment within Pakistan is deeper than people think and this whole episode in some measure is a reaction to the Chinese leaning establishment. These two groups are in a struggle and it is playing itself out in the open. Senior leadership within the Pakistani Military Establishment is very carefully courted, trained, managed, aligned by the US. It is sad, that many in the establishment are holier than the pope, and the prism of their thinking is completely clouded and they are unable to see a world where they can balance alliances for the benefit of Pakistan foremost. In their view the benefit of the US is the benefit of Pakistan. They wear rose colored glasses and it has slowly killed Pakistan.
We need healthy alliances with all power brokers, no exclusive alliances. Exclusive alliance for nations like ours are poison pills.

 

[MultaniGuy]

I disagree with putting all of our eggs in one basket. No sane nation state should have such a policy. As I wrote China does not limit itself to equals (USA) but trades and tries to have cordial ties with all powers and countries of the world as long as it is in their interests.

Take a look at our geographical location. There is nothing that should prevent us from trying to benefit from China, USA and Russia at the same time whenever possible.

Anyway economics is everything. This is what is truly holding us back. A strong nation state is not only limited to a strong military and nukes.

Yes but give preference to China to get their technologies, when the West would refuse to do so.

 

[Corruptistan]

Yes but give preference to China to get their technologies, when the West would refuse to do so.

Obviously but that is already the case by large. My point is don't commit the mistakes of the past where we put all of our eggs in the US/Western basket. Pragmatism and a "Pakistan first" mentality should prevail. Not possible with the current lot in power since they have all their eggs in the Western basket. From families living in the West with stolen Pakistani money, secret bank accounts, mansions etc. All their tentacles are placed in the Western basket, not the Chinese one hence this development being a natural thing. They are protecting their "investments" and future in other words. To hell with the interests of Pakistan.

I have always said - the entrenchment of US aligned establishment within Pakistan is deeper than people think and this whole episode in some measure is a reaction to the Chinese leaning establishment. These two groups are in a struggle and it is playing itself out in the open. Senior leadership within the Pakistani Military Establishment is very carefully courted, trained, managed, aligned by the US. It is sad, that many in the establishment are holier than the pope, and the prism of their thinking is completely clouded and they are unable to see a world where they can balance alliances for the benefit of Pakistan foremost. In their view the benefit of the US is the benefit of Pakistan. They wear rose colored glasses and it has slowly killed Pakistan.
We need healthy alliances with all power brokers, no exclusive alliances. Exclusive alliance for nations like ours are poison pills.

BINGO.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Obviously but that is already the case by large. My point is don't commit the mistakes of the past where we put all of our eggs in the US/Western basket. Pragmatism and a "Pakistan first" mentality should prevail. Not possible with the current lot in power since they have all their eggs in the Western basket. From families living in the West with stolen Pakistani money, secret bank accounts, mansions etc.

Yes but by doing an alliance with China we can get rid of dual nationality.

 

[Menace2Society]

Slave Master relationship, Pakistani's like been slaves.

We have discovered the reasons now why Pakistan is unable to build healthy relationships with countries who are wealthier than them. Pakistani elite start begging for loans and aid so they can take a cut out of. Trade relations are not in their lexicon and that's why they never bothered to build the export base.

That's why every time there is a big meeting with another head of state, there is always some sort of turmoil in Pakistan like a terrorist attack, always well timed.

I honestly think Pakistan has been hijacked a long time ago by your useless good for nothing elite who are made up of Sharifs and Zardaris and others who intentionally sabotage Pakistan for IMF loans and aid.

Dar was taking undocumented loans to artifically prop up the rupee and I am sure his network are involved in pump and dump schemes with a sell and buyback of rupees. There are probably thousands in this network.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

As the fate would have been, Pak is again at the center of "attention" as far as the most strategic and important "clear and present" geo-political condition is concerned! Especially, now that the NATO is expanding to Finland and Sweden, Russia is getting encircled. A potential Russian route to the warm waters pass through Pak (serviced via CPEC)....

It's not about Bajwa or IK, it's all about the NATO vs the Russo-Sino Axis....

*Turkey is waging the toughest "diplomatic" war of the last one century as she is opposing the encirclement of Russia from all sides.

 

[Chat SAMOSA]

Gongoing

Yes and no


Pakistanis in general lack national unity and cohesiveness. It has more to do with our dysfunctional and staggered schooling system


If state decades ago took responsibility for quality primary education …90% of our current problems would not be there

By last election, 17M vote for and 20m vote against Imran Khan. Has that changed substantially since 2018/19?

 

[PradoTLC]

Gongoing

By last election, 17M vote for and 20m vote against Imran Khan. Has that changed substantially since 2018/19?

yes

there are few takers for PDM

 

[RescueRanger]

This guy is a DC lackey.

I absolutely hate him, I don't like to admit this often but I took pleasure when he got a phenti from you know who, got too big for his boots after his trip in London.

For all his bluster and grandstanding - he is a bloater. In his twitter photograph for instance you can see him wearing the Doctoral gown of Columbia University:

Whereas in fact, he has not completed a Doctorate - he attended Columbia and completed an MA in Journalism. The old English phrase for people like him is "Flanker"

 

[Wood]

WS Khan is only a reporter. Why hate him for reporting news from his sources? People can simply choose to believe him or not. Either way, one has to wait and watch