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US & Pakistan Dispute and Tensions over Haqqani group

mr zion lova you are off topic as usual. We pakistanis dont want to be bribed by american govt. We dont want american blood money.
Neither you nor I are off-topic. The U.S.-Pakistan relationship has degenerated to the point where Pakistan's love for America isn't important; only the services it can provide are. The U.S. Senate wants Pakistan to decide whose bed is more important: the Haqqanis or the Americans. No more sharing the same mistress.
 
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Oh really? Go ask your mad hatter Mirza Aslam Beg who helped create the Taliban in the first place. That they split later because of their different strategic aims towards Pakistan is another matter altogether. The TTP was Taliban and continues to be so.

If you had read some books and documents written by well known authors and retired defence personnel who knew the game at that point in time, you wouldn't be posting this rubish! :crazy:

Man you guys are so clueless, I am not even going to bother wasting much time on this. Let's just say you've no idea what you're talking about.
 
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:what::what::what::D

for rest of post,wait for few months and do frustrate yanks more then c.if its not your decision then why u chase flights to usa??:lol:
if civilian govt is corrupt then why pasha went to usa??:lol:

oh o but i have seen every month american senators and their official coming PAkistan they came and met with pasha and kiyani, according to you we should run to them ....but they came more than pasha go there....
lolz lack of knowledge.....keep it up
BTW Pasha did not SMS me why he go their but when i receive his SMS i will tell you
 
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If CIA has proof of ISI dealing with Afghan Taliban and/or Haqani Network, then the ISI also has ample proof of Indians in Baluchistan, and TTP being fed US $ by schmucks like Black Water. How about we discuss that as well.

US will soon realise that its philosophy of 'LET ME WIN YOUR HEARTS AND MINDS OR I'LL BURN YOUR DAMN HUTS DOWN' has back fired. Infact it already has, but they are too stiff necked to admit it, in the end, their stiff necks will hang them...

Mr. Pennata.... If you have the marbles to attack Pakistan, PLEEZEE by all means do it! What are you waiting for??? You've got the Indians to back you up as well. And you've run out of your clandestine games, your bank account is running dry, Afghanistan is far from under your control, Your credit history stinks... WHAT MAKES YOU THINK YOU CAN THREATEN US TO DO YOUR BIDDING AND START A BRAND NEW PROTRACTED WAR???? Shut up or put up!

Im sure Sun Tzu is face palming himself in his grave when he read this news:smokin:
 
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Hhhhmmmmm.......how many were thinking that Pakistan will accept the allegations???
 
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US is itself undoing 11 years of work to build the relationship it once had with Pakistan - Humpty Dumpty.

So, is it good or bad? Should Pakistan have a relationship with any country based on the receipt of aid, of the tax payer money of hard working persons who actually do pay taxes ??

Your response should be a loud and clear, NO - but I suspect Pakistanis cannot answer anything without qualifying their answer, to Pakistanis, this means that they have exhibited a measure of sophistication in their thinking, to everybody else it just means shameless.
 
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Pakistan warns U.S. - "no boots on our ground"
Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik speaks during an interview with Reuters at his office in Islamabad May 25, 2010.

Credit: Reuters/Faisal Mahmood

By John Chalmers and Michael Georgy

ISLAMABAD | Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:57pm BST

ISLAMABAD (Reuters) - Pakistan would not tolerate any incursion on its territory by U.S. forces targeting militant groups, the country's interior minister said on Thursday, calling for Washington to provide the intelligence Islamabad needs to take them out itself.

Rehman Malik also rejected U.S. allegations that Pakistan's intelligence agency aids or has ties with the Taliban-allied Haqqani Network, a powerful guerrilla group that straddles the mountainous border areas between Afghanistan and Pakistan.

"The Pakistan nation will not allow the boots on our ground, never. Our government is already cooperating with the U.S. ... but they also must respect our sovereignty," he told Reuters in an interview, insisting that Islamabad wanted U.S. intelligence, not troops, to root out insurgents inside Pakistan.

Admiral Mike Mullen, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, this week accused Pakistan's Inter Services Intelligence directorate (ISI) of using the Haqqani Network to wage a "proxy war" on NATO and Afghan troops in Afghanistan.

Some U.S. intelligence reporting has alleged that the ISI specifically directed, or urged, the Haqqani Network to carry out last week's attack on the U.S. embassy and a NATO headquarters in Kabul, according to two U.S. officials and a source familiar with recent U.S.-Pakistan official contacts.

"If you say that it is ISI involved in that attack, I categorically deny it. We have no such policy to attack or aid attack through Pakistani forces or through any Pakistani assistance," Malik said.

The 20-hour battle in the Afghan capital stoked tensions between Washington and Islamabad, which were already running high following the killing of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in a surprise U.S. Navy SEALs raid inside Pakistan last May.

Since then, American officials, including the ambassador in Islamabad and Mullen have issued unusually blunt criticism of Pakistan's failure to curb the Haqqani group.

The military calls the shots in Pakistan on defence and security policy but Malik is a prominent member of the civilian government and considered close to President Asif Ali Zardari.

This week he had a meeting with the director of the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation, who quizzed him on the Haqqani Network.

"BLAME GAME"

During the interview to Reuters, Malik conceded that elements of the Haqqani network, which analysts say can draw on a pool of roughly 10,000 to 15,000 fighters, are partly based in Pakistan's unruly ethnic Pashtun tribal region of North Waziristan on the Afghan border.

However, he said the Americans had so far not provided Pakistan with intelligence that would help it go after them.

"Our capacity to trace them in that area is limited. Give us the information and we will operate," he said. "Let's have information, let's have a proper investigation and if there is a requirement, let's have an operation."

"We are fighting a common enemy but unfortunately not with a common strategy. Instead of a blame game we have to sit together. We are not part of the terrorism, we are part of the solution."

One option for the United States -- another cross-border raid, like the mission that killed bin Laden -- may be tempting in some quarters. But the risks are high and the backlash from Pakistan would be fierce, almost certainly harming what counter-terrorism cooperation exists.

"This is going to be very unfortunate if it happens because it's going to grow a lot of anti-U.S. feelings," Malik said.

Washington and Islamabad became strategic allies in the "war on terror" after the September 11 attacks on the United States in 2001, but their relationship has been fragile and trust has seeped away on both sides in recent months.

The U.S. administration suspects that Islamabad plays a double game with militants, hunting some down but shielding others to guarantee it has a proxy stake in the political future of Afghanistan when foreign forces withdraw in 2014.

Rejecting allegations that Islamabad has ties with the Haqqani Network, Malik said: "If they have some kind of proof they must come forward."

"For us, whether it's the Haqqanis or Tehreek-e-Taliban, or LeJ, they are all terrorist outfits and we will leave no stone unturned to go against them."

Reflecting the growing anger in Washington, a U.S. Senate committee on Wednesday voted to make aid to Islamabad conditional on fighting the militants. The United States has allocated about $20 billion (13 billion pounds) for Pakistan over the last decade.

Malik said there was not enough understanding that Pakistan had made huge sacrifices of blood and treasure fighting militancy on its soil since 2001, which the government this week put at 35,000 lives and $68 billion.

"Pakistan should be given some trust, and this trust deficit should go away, because we are fighting a war," he said. "There is not a day that is not 9/11 for my country."

Anything this idiot Rehman Malik says worries me. Cos normally it means the opposite
 
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The US does not have one unified opinion: the Senate (& certain Senators) have one opinion, the Congress has another opinion, the CIA & the Military have another opinion. They all have different opinions. Most of the Senators in DC have no clue what they are talking about. Secondly, even if Pakistan is refused the aid (they are promised $1.5 billion per year, but receive less than $500 million annually); the Pakistani diaspora sends $12 billion every year, & will keep sending more to compensate for the minute losses. The aid helps the US keep its influence & upper hand over Pakistan, it will only be their loss & no one else's (maybe the corrupt politicians too).
 
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Pakistan warns U.S. - "no boots on our ground"
Pakistan's Interior Minister Rehman Malik speaks during an interview with Reuters at his office in Islamabad May 25, 2010.

Credit: Reuters/Faisal Mahmood

By John Chalmers and Michael Georgy

May 25 2010 ?????
 
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The US does not have one unified opinion: the Senate (& certain Senators) have one opinion, the Congress has another opinion, the CIA & the Military have another opinion. They all have different opinions. Most of the Senators in DC have no clue what they are talking about. Secondly, even if Pakistan is refused the aid (they are promised $1.5 billion per year, but receive less than $500 million annually); the Pakistani diaspora sends $12 billion every year, & will keep sending more to compensate for the minute losses. The aid helps the US keep its influence & upper hand over Pakistan, it will only be their loss & no one else's (maybe the corrupt politicians too).

I don't think the remittances go to the government or poor people. Diaspora sends money to their relos back in Pakistan, don't see how that changes anything:confused:
 
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I don't think the remittances go to the government or poor people. Diaspora sends money to their relos back in Pakistan, don't see how that changes anything:confused:

Not just relatives, but people also send it in the form of investments, stocks etc. Plus, even if they are sending it to their relatives to make their lives better, they'll keep circulating this money in the economy by spending it.
 
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I dont know why every Pakistani-US related thread becomes a petty discussion zone with the indians. How are they related to the issue? Not to mention their posts are with zero substance and on top of that they hijack the thread with their trolling. They really make the thread unreadable and I find myself constantly scrolling through Indian posters to to get posters who have something intelligent and knowledgeable to say. down with indian trolling.:tdown:
 
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