US opens defence tech arsenal to India, 7 new offers on table

[Dillinger]

There was the Senior section but really.. some of the "Seniors" are too juvenile to even have conversation on anything with.

Seems we shall need our own forum much like we shall carve our own empire!

Btw did you run across the Taiwanese Hsun Hai? They've crammed 16 AShMs onto a ship the size of our coast guard OPVs!

Oh and Muricans are going to give their go ahead for the JABM (Joint air breathing missile, specifically designed to work both as an interceptor and an anti-ship missile, how that's going to work out dunno?), that is the sort of thing I'd like to see joint development in, in the niche areas.

 

[arp2041]

@Oscar Can't we like have a private section for just a few of us, where the children can't enter and we can discuss such topics in the luxury of seclusion!

Endless khiyali pualo and wish lists with a good smattering of flame bating!

Saley.....what harm I have done to you?

There was the Senior section but really.. some of the "Seniors" are too juvenile to even have conversation on anything with.

When you have a criteria of POST rather than Maturity then even @levina will become a SENIOR!!!

But Langoor becoming senior still remains LANGOOR!!

 

[Dillinger]

Saley.....what harm I have done to you?



When you have a criteria of POST rather than Maturity then even @levina will become a SENIOR!!!

But Langoor becoming senior still remains LANGOOR!!

You're not a child, you are acting like one deliberately to rile up people but you're not one, not yet anyway.

 

[SQ8]

Oh and Muricans are going to give their go ahead for the JABM (Joint air breathing missile, specifically designed to work both as an interceptor and an anti-ship missile, how that's going to work out dunno?), that is the sort of thing I'd like to see joint development in, in the niche areas.

If someone would listen and think, perhaps not much different can be done with the Brahmos.

 

[Dillinger]

If someone would listen and think, perhaps not much different can be done with the Brahmos.

BrahMos is WAY TOO BIG and WAY TO HEAVY to be used as air interceptor, even in simplest of terms you need a goodly number of said interceptors and you would need a very large ship indeed to carry 32/48 of those.

I should add, the JABM will operate as an AShM against smaller ships and vessels, its not exactly meant to be used against a DDG, its being custom built for the LCS.

 

[MilSpec]

Do the Russians transfer any Technology at all in these purchases

yes

 

[SQ8]

BrahMos is WAY TOO BIG and WAY TO HEAVY to be used as air interceptor, even in simplest of terms you need a goodly number of said interceptors and you would need a very large ship indeed to carry 32/48 of those.

I should add, the JABM will operate as an AShM against smaller ships and vessels, its not exactly meant to be used against a DDG, its being custom built for the LCS.

The Brahmos-M is not really that big is it?

 

[WAR-rior]

 

[Dillinger]

The Brahmos-M is not really that big is it?

It rivals the SM-3 in size, and even then cannot be used for BMD, so having an interceptor filling in for the Aster-30/SM-2/Barak-8 but possessed of the size of an SM-3 would be pointless.

Btw, another VERY interesting concept is the DW-8000, a classy design to say the least and with the right outfitting it could give any opposing force the jitters.

 

[SQ8]

It rivals the SM-3 in size, and even then cannot be used for BMD, so having an interceptor filling in for the Aster-30/SM-2/Barak-8 but possessed of the size of an SM-3 would be pointless.

Btw, another VERY interesting concept is the DW-8000, a classy design to say the least and with the right outfitting it could give any opposing force the jitters.

Im still not convinced so. The Brahmos-M may rival the SM-3 in size, but by its design it has greater range potential than given for it. The same issues that face the JABM with its air breathing design will also plague the Brahmos.

 

[Dillinger]

Im still not convinced so. The Brahmos-M may rival the SM-3 in size, but by its design it has greater range potential than given for it. The same issues that face the JABM with its air breathing design will also plague the Brahmos.

The JABM is actually envisaged to be more compact than the BrahMos, that is exactly why it requires a proper clean sheet design with many firsts whereas a "run of the mill" air breathing supersonic AShM would be quite easy for the Americans to cook up. The primary design challenges are the compact design and dual use capability.

Meh..besides..with systems like the AD-1/AD-2 we would be better off implementing those in a naval role than anything else, but then our folks have always lacked vision, for example last year ISRO had completed the testing of a L-band AESA radar prototype (MOTR, for very long range and high latitude observation/tracking of objects), it in fact mimics the THALES L-STAR perfectly but the GOI has not seen it fit to adapt the same for our ships on mission mode.

 

[SQ8]

The JABM is actually envisaged to be more compact than the BrahMos, that is exactly why it requires a proper clean sheet design with many firsts whereas a "run of the mill" air breathing supersonic AShM would be quite easy for the Americans to cook up. The primary design challenges are the compact design and dual use capability.

Meh..besides..with systems like the AD-1/AD-2 we would be better off implementing those in a naval role than anything else, but then our folks have always lacked vision, for example last year ISRO had completed the testing of a L-band AESA radar prototype (MOTR, for very long range and high latitude observation/tracking of objects), it in fact mimics the THALES L-STAR perfectly but the GOI has not seen it fit to adapt the same for our ships on mission mode.

Let me guess, did it have to do with the fact that it was made locally? Or because there was already a product in the market that could be paid for with taxpayer cash? Or the best of all reasons, how can the ISRO whose job is to look into space be given a contract to make something that DRDO should have come up with. Can you imagene the idea of a Military focused research organization being beaten to something like that by a space research agency?

 

[Dillinger]

Let me guess, did it have to do with the fact that it was made locally? Or because there was already a product in the market that could be paid for with taxpayer cash? Or the best of all reasons, how can the ISRO whose job is to look into space be given a contract to make something that DRDO should have come up with. Can you imagene the idea of a Military focused research organization being beaten to something like that by a space research agency?

The latter most probably and a complete lack of vision.

The IN is now running about after the Finmeccancia debacle since the fate of the RAN-40L is now in question, the MOTR might take half a decade to get up to speed in a military role but it would be completely worth it, instead as usual DRDO has now pitched an indigenous APAR (a fresh project, which is only on paper so far, not to mention we already have access to said class of sensors in the MF-STAR and are already buying said sensor for multiple ships) instead of proactively working with ISRO on the MOTR.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

@Oscar Can't we like have a private section for just a few of us, where the children can't enter and we can discuss such topics in the luxury of seclusion!

Endless khiyali pualo and wish lists with a good smattering of flame bating!

Looking for a private orgy on an island, are ya?
One thing I've learnt here, one should not take people seriously all the time; not even oneself.

The latter most probably and a complete lack of vision.

The IN is now running about after the Finmeccancia debacle since the fate of the RAN-40L is now in question, the MOTR might take half a decade to get up to speed in a military role but it would be completely worth it, instead as usual DRDO has now pitched an indigenous APAR (a fresh project, which is only on paper so far, not to mention we already have access to said class of sensors in the MF-STAR and are already buying said sensor for multiple ships) instead of proactively working with ISRO on the MOTR.

The RAN-40L will come back into contention, mark my words. Though the concerned guys are looking up some other alternatives too.

 

[SQ8]

The latter most probably and a complete lack of vision.

The IN is now running about after the Finmeccancia debacle since the fate of the RAN-40L is now in question, the MOTR might take half a decade to get up to speed in a military role but it would be completely worth it, instead as usual DRDO has now pitched an indigenous APAR (a fresh project, which is only on paper so far, not to mention we already have access to said class of sensors in the MF-STAR and are already buying said sensor for multiple ships) instead of proactively working with ISRO on the MOTR.

Sssh.. what do rocket scientists know about Radar.