US okays sale of 8 Global Response Cutters to Pakistan

[VCheng]

Looks like Pakistan is the first customer AND if its really so, surprising Pakistan is requesting for a untested solution using the FMS route.

The GRC43m is a new model, and more sales are likely, including to the USCG:

GRC43m: Completing E. Coast Demo Tour

 

[Cheetah786]

Are these for Navy or coast guard and I think its some Arab friend who is funding this

Are you for real?

 

[surya kiran]

I can show you tons of websites that look copy/paste and amateurish at best, but they are professional firms engaged in activities that really don't need any flashy 'Apple Inc.' style advertising or websites. Customers know them and hence go about directly engaging with the company. People looking to buy multi million dollar equipment don't sit on Internet like you and me. you'll see a brochure here and there, that's it. It's not a TATA Nano you know.

The company in question here builds yachts bigger than the cutters, and i have no reason, so far, to believe that it will be an unproven system or unreliable system.

Someone has to be a first you know.

Yacht Maker Tests Homeland Security Waters


Now, to add a bit of spice according to your flags, did India test the auto eject feature on it's MKIs before it bought the un-tested system?

Seriously, don't be stupid.

The ejection seats are manufactured by which company, Mr. Think Tank? Seriously man! That seat is used by multiple fighter aircraft and build by a firm which designs stuff for space applications. So, its a down step not an up step like in this case? Logical, Mr. Think Tank?

What you are buying is the FMS route. Why would you buy a launch product, not yet used by any other user, from a company which has no experience building military products? That too, through direct purchase, not competitive bidding.

Now, hopefully, you can start being a 'Think Tank' and ponder over this. Seriously, don't be stupid.

The GRC43m is a new model, and more sales are likely, including to the USCG:

GRC43m: Completing E. Coast Demo Tour

I agree, its a new model. BUt, wouldn't it at-least make sense to pitch it against some other competitor. Especially, since its never been tested in the said applications and the said company has no expertise in the same.

Or as per our think tank, since they build bigger luxury yatchs you should trust them with defense products. Sheeesh!

 

[OrionHunter]

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The sale has not been approved as yet This is just a notice of a potential sale and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

The title of this thread is therefore misleading.

 

[Donatello]

The ejection seats are manufactured by which company, Mr. Think Tank? Seriously man! That seat is used by multiple fighter aircraft and build by a firm which designs stuff for space applications. So, its a down step not an up step like in this case? Logical, Mr. Think Tank?

What you are buying is the FMS route. Why would you buy a launch product, not yet used by any other user, from a company which has no experience building military products? That too, through direct purchase, not competitive bidding.

Now, hopefully, you can start being a 'Think Tank' and ponder over this. Seriously, don't be stupid.



I agree, its a new model. BUt, wouldn't it at-least make sense to pitch it against some other competitor. Especially, since its never been tested in the said applications and the said company has no expertise in the same.

Or as per our think tank, since they build bigger luxury yatchs you should trust them with defense products. Sheeesh!

I won't get into your ejection seat theory, since an ejection seat is part of a system and under no law should it be allowed to make a decision by itself. If it is so, it is flawed design. It is the FCS that controls everything.

Now, to your second reply, there is this Australian company called 'Austal', which was founded in 1988 and had hardly 2000 employees, they are primary high speed craft makers in the luxury market segment (like yachts) , and yet they were able to secure the order for the 1st LCS of the USN i.e USS Independence, a much more complex undertaking than they had ever taken before. Does that mean a 'yacht' maker cannot foray into Major combat naval systems? Since, as a i am Think Tank and hence can use my brain, i would suggest, building that coast guard cutter is much simpler than building a 2000+ ton warship for the premier navy of the world.

The GRC43s were chosen by US Coast Guard as the company promised and delivered a product they wanted, and then later changed their requirements. So they were free to float the design on the market.

In case of Austal, they had experience in building aluminum hulls for catamarans/trimaran, and so USN was confident that they can transfer that experience into something bigger, more bad a** and they are now going to build the Spearhead class transporters as well.

So yea, the burden of stupidity and ignorance, is solely on you.

About your highlighted part, apparently the US Navy thinks that a yacht/cruise-liner maker can make their future combat vessels, more than an ignorant troll on internet.


Sheesh!

 

[VCheng]

I agree, its a new model. BUt, wouldn't it at-least make sense to pitch it against some other competitor. Especially, since its never been tested in the said applications and the said company has no expertise in the same.
Or as per our think tank, since they build bigger luxury yatchs you should trust them with defense products. Sheeesh!

Somebody has to be the first customer for any new model, but the key feature of this craft is its rust-proof hull which bodes well for a long service life, which is one of the features that would be important for a customer like Pakistan. If you peruse the specifications for the vessel, it really is quite good. The vessel has been shown to be great in its perceived role, and the only reason that has delayed its purchase by the USCG is not related to its performance. The ancillary equipment such as electronics and weaponry can be upgraded as needed, something that Pakistan is quite adept in doing. Couple these advantages with financing by Uncle Sam, and it would be hard to turn down such a good deal.

 

[Hyperion]

Omni present to defend any FMS sale....... and then you say that you aren't a paid tout!

Somebody has to be the first customer for any new model, but the key feature of this craft is its rust-proof hull which bodes well for a long service life, which is one of the features that would be important for a customer like Pakistan. If you peruse the specifications for the vessel, it really is quite good. The vessel has been shown to be great in its perceived role, and the only reason that has delayed its purchase by the USCG is not related to its performance. The ancillary equipment such as electronics and weaponry can be upgraded as needed, something that Pakistan is quite adept in doing. Couple these advantages with financing by Uncle Sam, and it would be hard to turn down such a good deal.

 

[Donatello]

Somebody has to be the first customer for any new model, but the key feature of this craft is its rust-proof hull which bodes well for a long service life, which is one of the features that would be important for a customer like Pakistan. If you peruse the specifications for the vessel, it really is quite good. The vessel has been shown to be great in its perceived role, and the only reason that has delayed its purchase by the USCG is not related to its performance. The ancillary equipment such as electronics and weaponry can be upgraded as needed, something that Pakistan is quite adept in doing. Couple these advantages with financing by Uncle Sam, and it would be hard to turn down such a good deal.

Sir, as mentioned in my post earlier, Austal has shown that a non-existent combat systems company can venture straight into one of the most complex projects.

But trolls will remain trolls.

 

[VCheng]

Sir, as mentioned in my post earlier, Austal has shown that a non-existent combat systems company can venture straight into one of the most complex projects.

But trolls will remain trolls.

I agree with you that the craft chosen will serve Pakistan's needs very well indeed.

 

[Donatello]

I agree with you that the craft chosen will serve Pakistan's needs very well indeed.

It's not about that only, someone has to be the first customer, and i am sure there will be teething problems once in service. What must be assured is that the ship builder/contractor provides continued valid support (warranties and extra), because it is a win-win situation for them. PN/PCG get's to be their first customer and hence they can secure more orders then, and they can learn and sort out problems as well which will only help their company in the future. Maybe they can makea mark in the Arabian sea/Persian Gulf region? Tons of $$$ to be made there.

 

[VCheng]

It's not about that only, someone has to be the first customer, and i am sure there will be teething problems once in service. What must be assured is that the ship builder/contractor provides continued valid support (warranties and extra), because it is a win-win situation for them. PN/PCG get's to be their first customer and hence they can secure more orders then, and they can learn and sort out problems as well which will only help their company in the future. Maybe they can makea mark in the Arabian sea/Persian Gulf region? Tons of $$$ to be made there.

Even better is the fact that Pakistan itself can be involved with such improvements and benefit from the experience gained for future projects. Win-win situation.

 

[notsuperstitious]

Now, to add a bit of spice according to your flags, did India test the auto eject feature on it's MKIs before it bought the un-tested system?

Seriously, don't be stupid.

Yes NPP Zvezda has been making ejection seats for thousands of aircrafts over 60 years and we did test those.

But why do you always make such offtopic comments on all kinds of threads I have no clue.

 

[Donatello]

Yes NPP Zvezda has been making ejection seats for thousands of aircrafts over 60 years and we did test those.

But why do you always make such offtopic comments on all kinds of threads I have no clue.

Just to give you a taste of your own medicine, something the likes of you desperately want to avoid.

 

[Zarvan]

Are you for real?

Yes man do you really believe the projects which are running right now from Textron to new Tanks to Fighter Jets to Ships and soon going for Submarines now cutters and many more things that we are doing in our short 8 billion dollar budget if you think so than you need to use brain some one is funding most of these projects and it can no one else than Arabs

 

[notsuperstitious]

Just to give you a taste of your own medicine, something the likes of you desperately want to avoid.

Oh so you were trolling as always by making off topic posts. I should not have responsed to such rubbish in that case. Go on.